Los Angeles MUST more new subway system.

[VansTripp]

They can't ban on build more new subway but... must more subway. Does can make subway from North Hollywood to Beverly Hills or Santa Monica?

Subway is much safer than light rail because if car get accident on light rail then they will rollover and ruin the wire. Subway is more faster and only built in underground. No need worry about earthquake ruin the new rail.

Tokyo have biggest subway system than any other city. Los Angeles CAN do better to build more. Los Angeles have newest and modern subway system or light rail in USA.

Subway are helpful to cut the traffic jam and ruined the new road on freeway. Big truck seem more annoying on L.A. freeway but it will have more big truck about 2020 or 2030. That is not fun to drive on traffic jam. :drunk:

MTA CAN DO BEST EVER!!! Anyone agree about Los Angeles need more subway system?

[Facial]

I agree.

[samsonyuen]

I also agree, with what I could comprehend. NoHo to Santa Monica would be great.

[VansTripp]

Yeah. Red Line Subway can make distance to Santa Monica. Build a Rapid Bus or light rail from Malibu to L.A. Downtown (Worth over billion). Build one more light rail (coastal) from Torrance to Santa Monica. Gold Line need some update to make distance to Glendale. Soon, It will be in Valley.

[TICONLA1]

OK guys ready for this?. POSSABLE RED LINE EXTENTION from whilshire, western station, 0.5m to crenshaw blvd, turn south, 1.0m to crenshaw, pico blvd. turn west, 0.7m to pico, san vicente transit terminal STATION 1. 0.3m to pico, la brea. 1.4m to pico, fairfax. 1.0 to pico, robertson. STATION at pico, la cienega.(0.5 from fairfax) 1.5m to pico, ave of the stars(turn wnw under fox prop.)1.0 m to century park west, at santa monica blvd. STATION. 0.7m wnw to whilshire, at westholme,(deep tunnel)to whilshire at westwood blvd 0.6m. STATION, 1.2m to whilshire, at barrington. STATION. 0.5m to whilshire, at bundy. STATION turn south under wellesley ave. 1.0m to olympic at centinela STATION at expo line santa monica station. this plan bypasses beverly hills (to good for subway anyway) and methane gas pockets at fairfax, whilshire,3rd streets. (also leaves possable north connection to red line at hollywood , highland) total tunnel length, 10.9 miles. well i can dream can't i ?

[VansTripp]

OK guys ready for this?. POSSABLE RED LINE EXTENTION from whilshire, western station, 0.5m to crenshaw blvd, turn south, 1.0m to crenshaw, pico blvd. turn west, 0.7m to pico, san vicente transit terminal STATION 1. 0.3m to pico, la brea. 1.4m to pico, fairfax. 1.0 to pico, robertson. STATION at pico, la cienega.(0.5 from fairfax) 1.5m to pico, ave of the stars(turn wnw under fox prop.)1.0 m to century park west, at santa monica blvd. STATION. 0.7m wnw to whilshire, at westholme,(deep tunnel)to whilshire at westwood blvd 0.6m. STATION, 1.2m to whilshire, at barrington. STATION. 0.5m to whilshire, at bundy. STATION turn south under wellesley ave. 1.0m to olympic at centinela STATION at expo line santa monica station. this plan bypasses beverly hills (to good for subway anyway) and methane gas pockets at fairfax, whilshire,3rd streets. (also leaves possable north connection to red line at hollywood , highland) total tunnel length, 10.9 miles. well i can dream can't i ?

Good idea. You CAN do it. :)

[LosAngelesSportsFan]

Well the LA city council just recommended that the red line be extended down wilshire, all be it only to fairfax, but thats a start. Next it will be extended down to Santa Monica, but there is more encouraging news, with the gold line now being extended to the eastside about 7 miles, and th expo line from downtown to Santa Monica being approved and moved up with expected completion of phase one (to culver city) by 2009 -2010 and SM by 2012-2013. Much More rail developent to come and you guys should check it out at www.friends4expo.org

[TICONLA1]

Good news about red line extention to fairfax, but where from there? the city of beverly hills raised hell 35+ years about a freeway going thru that city, then a later proposal to tunnel under santa monica blvd. i can't imagine them giving a right of way for a subway. of course it would cut miles off going around that city, (maybe we could do it without stations) becouse i believe that Century City MUST be served by rail, but if you ask me i advicate the southern route around BH!!!!..............the pico corridor would be better served by rail than BH.

[TICONLA1]

good news about expo line having the money to reach santa monica lets start turning shovels!!!!!

[empersouf]

LA really needs a bigger subway system, there are too many traffic jams in LA.

[CarsonCaliBrotha]

But the reason why they have no subway in those rich areas is that they know they won't leave their expensive cars to be stuck on a subway riding. I mean, most people in LA enjoy having their cars, they can't even think of having to ride a bus. That's why the Blue and Green lines run through the hood, and Gold Line through East LA: because they depend most on mass-transit. I go to church in the ghetto, been for the past 3 years. I mean, people in there catch it to and from church, in their wallets they have their bus pass. There's nowhere else you can see that sort of dependancy. So until they start ridin more in those rich areas, you won't see a subway in Beverly Hills and the like. And the reason why the Red Line doesn't stretch to the beach is because they found traces of some explosive material, I forgot the name.

[SChristopher]

On top of it being extremely expensive to re-enforce moist land, as well as put additional lines in over existing infrastructure. This seems all dandy to people on this site who like urbanity and all of that, however the people in LA live there for a reason, mostly because it is like no where else. They like the spread out nature and their cars and the fact that their neighborhoods are semi-separate from the the "bad people"

[GetOnDaTrain]

If the Red Line were to keep on going to Fairfax, it should NOT deviate from under Wilshire. That would mean making all those damn turns to bypass Beverly Hills. Fuck that shit! I'd rather the Red Line serve UCLA and Westwood in addition to Santa Monica; I also rather the Red Line go through Beverly Hills city limits -- screw trying to build a station in the BH city limits at all. If they still want to branch on down to Pico and back to UCLA, the Wilshire corridor under BH can serve as an express route, like Philadelphia's Broad Street, Chicago's Purple Line and New York's express lines and stuff.

I agree with the title of this thread; LA needs more, no matter how spread out it is. If I had my way, I would run LA by densifying the city over a course of time by turning the Valley into a desert -- evacuate everyone there into the LA Basin. Uproot some housing in the basin on every single single family house city blocks and put up condos, apartments and townhomes for former Valleyers to live in. This will make it transit depenbable long enough to convince folks to walk, ride bus and rail too. Not only that, tear down the ill-repute polluter freeways and build more METRO in their place -- also convert light rail's Blue, Gold and Green to heavy rail and give them 100 percent ROW. That way, LA can finally get rid of the hundred years old of pollution and lung-cutting smog.

[TICONLA1]

Ok here it is, (my version) proposed red line ex. #2 start wilshire/western to wilshire/la brea, 2.0m. STATION,to wilshire/fairfax,1.0m, STATION,west 0.6m to wilshire/san vicente, turn NW 1.0m to san vicente/la cieniga,to 3rd st. STATION, north on la ceiniga 1.0m to santa monica blvd. STATION, turn east on s.m. blvd. 0.9m to faifax STATION (optional),cont. east 1.3m to highland blvd. STATION (optional), turn north 0.8m to hollywood/ highland station. total tunnel mileage, 8.6 ..............I still think the pico corridor would be better served by rail than anywhere around the BH area. (if you read my post #5, you will note that this plan as well as that plan covers the most signifigant intersections on the west side,) and also connects to the expo line which will most likely terminate somewhere near the water garden office complex at olympic/ 26th st. in santa monica. as far as tunneling under BH for an express route, i'm for it, your for it, are they for it, if i were to base this question on past encounters with the city of beverly hills, i'd say it looks like pico blvd.!!!!

[svs]

Try this route instead. While Henry Waxman tries to undo his decades old mischief, start at Hollywood and hghland and develop a branch of the red line with stops at Sunset/ LA Brea; Sunset/Curson; Sunset/Fairfax:Sunset Sweetzer;Sunset Plaza; then down to Santa Monica/San Vincente:Santa Monica: Doheney: Santa Monica-Beverly Hills Civic Center; Santa Monica/Rodeo Dr; Santa Monica/Wilshire; Santa Monica/Avenue of the Stars-Century City;Santa Monica/Beverly Glen; Santa Monica/Westwood Blvd; Santa Monica /Sawtelle;Santa MOnica/Barrington; Santa Monica Bundy; Santa MOnica/26th; Santa Monica /14th; Santa Monica /Lincoln;Santa MOnica/Ocrean; Ocean/Pico; Main/Ocean Park: Main/Rose;Abbot Kinney/Westminster; Abbot Kinney/ Venice Blvd; Abbot Kinney/Washington; Admiralty way-MArina Del Rey: Lincoln/Fiji Way: Playa Vista: Loyola Marymount: Loyola/MAnchester: LAX; then hooking up to the Green line in El Segundo.

This would by pass the Methane area and allow digging on the wide stretches of Santa Monica Blvd in Century City and West Hollywood as well as provide a real subway system between the airport, marina, venice, santa monica, westwood, century city, beverly hills, west hollywood, sunset strip, hollywood, Universal city, north hollywood and downtown, And we wouldn't have to wait to change the law.

Its a dream but a doable one.

[Jules]

We need more subway here too. Ours is rather pathetic.

[klamedia]

It's all coming!!! You all act like no one is talking about this. The call for a subway extension was one of the pillars of Villaraigosa's mayoral platform! He convinced Waxman to adhere to a study that proved a subway could be built despite gas pockets, eventhough all of us know it was Hancock Park racism, but AV got it done. It must be every other day if you guys read the papers, rail expansion is discussed somewhere. Villaraigosa is probably in DC right now trying to convince the Feds to help us out with rail expansion!

Subways cost approx. 500 million per mile to build. Aerials are at 300 mill a mile. Light rail is cheaper and it's what LA had before it was ripped out by the craze of the car. In the end LA will have a mixture of light rail and subway type rail transit, and that's cool! Aint shit wrong with the Blue Line. During rush I timed it at every 5 minutes. And the Green Line DOES have its own ROW, it never has to yield for other vehicles seeing that it is in the middle of a freeway. We as transit advocates have to support the idea for more rail, light and heavy, and use it as much as we can to bolster ridership! Make it a point the next time that you move, to move around rapid transit lines. Tell your friends to use it. Take people on it who have never been on the lines and see them ooogle and wonder at the Hollywood/Vine station with film reels on the ceiling. Or take it to Staples games and concerts. Or go to Universal City on the train instead of driving, it's much better and faster. The future is NOW, we are the ones in the drivers seat. What we decide now for LA will stay with the city for the rest of the century.

If you want to get involved here are a plethora of links:

http://boards.eesite.com/board.cgi?boardset=ExpoLine
http://www.mta.net/default.asp

http://thetransitcoalition.us/index.htm
http://friends4expo.org/
http://www.transit-rider.com/LosAngeles/
http://www.yellowline.org/
http://transittalk.proboards37.com/index.cgi
http://www.lightrailnow.org/
http://www.metrosilverline.com/
http://thetransitcoalition.us/GreenLine.htm
http://thetransitcoalition.us/RedLine.htm
http://thetransitcoalition.us/BRUtruth.htm

And my alltime favorite!!! Believe it or not what the MTA is secretly building and what is a good 20% done and 30-35% by the end of the decade!! Can someone post this on a thread. I dont know how.

http://thetransitcoalition.us/ConJC01.htm

[Fern~Fern*]

interesting websites especially the last one.

[Robert Stark]

I would like to se the future Red Line expanded to The Beverly Centre and conect to a " Purple Line" which would conect to West Hollywood/Pacific Design Centre, Sunset Strip and Hollywood and Highland. Ther should also be a line conecting The Bev centre to the Grove, Fairfax District, Melrose, and Hollywood.
The Beverly Centre would become a massive Transit Terminal, and could be turned into a entertainment centre like Time Square with giant electronis Billaboards. The surrounding stripmalls could be turned into highrise condos.

[mongozx]

http://thetransitcoalition.us/MapsConceptual/JC01.gif

[FROM LOS ANGELES]

Isn't the above map from SSP?

[Whiteeclipse]

In Los Angeles, hope revived for 'subway to the sea'

By Michael R. Blood
ASSOCIATED PRESS

10:54 a.m. January 7, 2006

LOS ANGELES – They call it the "subway to the sea," although so far it exists only on paper.

For years, transit planners dreamed of a subterranean train along Wilshire Boulevard from the skyscrapers of downtown to the beaches of Santa Monica, a 15-mile line that could free at least some commuters from the inevitable freeway gridlock.

The ambitious idea died years ago, leaving a stunted line that dead-ends just a few miles from downtown. But as streets and highways grow increasingly clotted, there is renewed talk of completing it.

The proposed line, envisioned decades ago by then-Mayor Tom Bradley and now embraced by Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, would cut through an area with the region's densest concentration of jobs and people.

It's the most obvious route for a subway in the country and would be crowded from the day it opened, said Brian Taylor, director of the Institute of Transportation Studies at the University of California, Los Angeles.

"If you were going to build rail, the first place you would build it is down Wilshire," he said.

The project is getting another look following an about-face by Rep. Henry Waxman, a former opponent who pushed through a 1986 federal prohibition on tunneling through the area.

At the time, he feared construction could cause an explosion of naturally occurring methane gas. But new research has convinced the Los Angeles Democrat that tunneling can be done safely and he has introduced legislation to lift the ban.

"We need a transit system. We have to alleviate the congestion," he said.

The project is far from leaving the drawing board. And even if plans are approved, transit officials would have to find an estimated $4 billion, or more, to build it.

But a Wilshire line could be a key link in the city's subway system – known as the Red Line – that now covers a meager 17 miles from downtown to the San Fernando Valley.

In a county of 10 million people, the entire 73-mile light rail system carries just 232,000 people on an average weekday. Taylor said ridership suffers in part because rail routes were parceled out by "symbolic politics" rather than the practical needs of commuters.

"The one place you find that would be a good investment in rail doesn't have it," he said, referring to the Wilshire corridor.

Still, with the county's population continuing to grow, Taylor and other transit experts say even the subway to the sea would do little to improve the region's clogged roadways.

"Any major metropolitan area – you pick it around the world – are all congested," said Genevieve Giuliano, director of the Metrans Transportation Center, a joint research center of the University of Southern California and California State University, Long Beach.

"In a place as large as Los Angeles, we cannot build enough subways," she said.

[VansTripp]

It need blue line expansion through to Carson/Torrance or to near of border between LA and OC.

[klamedia]

But the reason why they have no subway in those rich areas is that they know they won't leave their expensive cars to be stuck on a subway riding. I mean, most people in LA enjoy having their cars, they can't even think of having to ride a bus. That's why the Blue and Green lines run through the hood, and Gold Line through East LA: because they depend most on mass-transit. I go to church in the ghetto, been for the past 3 years. I mean, people in there catch it to and from church, in their wallets they have their bus pass. There's nowhere else you can see that sort of dependancy. So until they start ridin more in those rich areas, you won't see a subway in Beverly Hills and the like. And the reason why the Red Line doesn't stretch to the beach is because they found traces of some explosive material, I forgot the name.

The real reason why their isn't a subway to the sea is simply racism and it's twin brother classism. All that is changing though. On the Red as well as on the Blue I see the assumed 9to5er more and more, and a whole lot of tourists heading to the airport. The word is getting out! That driving just isn't that fun anymore when you have to sit in traffic.

[CarsonCaliBrotha]

The real reason why their isn't a subway to the sea is simply racism and it's twin brother classism. All that is changing though. On the Red as well as on the Blue I see the assumed 9to5er more and more, and a whole lot of tourists heading to the airport. The word is getting out! That driving just isn't that fun anymore when you have to sit in traffic.
Thats what I was saying. And they wouldn't build LRT through Carson, not enough people ride the bus here. Same with Torrance. They may build it in Torrance but thats it.

[VansTripp]

Thats what I was saying. And they wouldn't build LRT through Carson, not enough people ride the bus here. Same with Torrance. They may build it in Torrance but thats it.

In 80's and 90's, when before blue line LRT is opened so mostly residents from South LA are used to drive the used car/affordable car due gas price is much cheaper. Until around mid-90's, residents are found out that thing is good and found job in few miles away from mass transit then they started ride and love it. I'm sure it will going expanding to Carson or Torrance but seems pretty too long from west/east to LB then from south/north to DTLA. It's best to using other new line from DTLA to southwest of LA County.

We will call MTA to build new station that's next to your home. :lol: :jk:

[klamedia]

And once again may I repeat, along with racism and classism is just finding enough money to build the damn things. But instead of just talking, get involved with some of the organizations that I linked above who are pushing for more rapid transit in LA county. Their is NO other solution!

[klamedia]

http://thetransitcoalition.us/MapsConceptual/JC01.gif

Really interesting that the MTA hasn't deviated from this map which as far as I know was drawn up back in the '60s. In fact you can see our present rail map within that futuristic train map. After Expo and E. Gold come into play, the light blue line to the airport and the Silver Line should be worked on, oh and of course the superstar Red.

[Yakumoto]

Really interesting that the MTA hasn't deviated from this map which as far as I know was drawn up back in the '60s. In fact you can see our present rail map within that futuristic train map. After Expo and E. Gold come into play, the light blue line to the airport and the Silver Line should be worked on, oh and of course the superstar Red.

60's? The Pacific Railcars were just being shut down in the 60's, try more like 5 years ago.

Here's one of the original metro plans from 1980

http://thetransitcoalition.us/Maps-Historical/RTD%201980%20Prop%20A%20Map2.jpg

[klamedia]

Yeah by 1961 the last red car had been deceased. But interestingly enough the dream of rail transit never died. Even by 1968 the then RTA had rolled out another regional plan that they put to voters who again denied it.

"The year 1968 was a rough ride for large American cities, especially L.A., where a dark-skinned man with a peculiar name killed Bobby Kennedy at the Ambassador Hotel. Against a backdrop of riots in 100 cities, the hapless Rapid Transit District tried to sell a target for more culture clashes: an ambitious $2.5 billion plan for a new mass-transit system. The “five corridor” layout featured rail lines running from downtown to El Monte, Long Beach, LAX, West L.A. and Reseda, and new bus lines feeding the trains. The plan had few takers."

I had been under the impression that the futuristic map had been around for eons, maybe it hasn't. But this argument over subways or no subways, trains or no trains has never ended. Just as they were tearing them out, they were drawing up new plans to put them back in. Is LA schizo or what?

[FROM LOS ANGELES]

If the people im BH don't want a subway that's cool. We need ,ore lines running easter of ELA. Here in Commerce, Pico, Downey, Snata Fe Springs, and Montebello. Common, all these lines in the east and only one to the east. There should be a line from San Bernandino to Santa Monica, to downtown LA, and ending in Century City.

[LA-dude]

^^wtf???....Downey isnt part of East LA....i always considered us closer to LB or cerritos since its the same area code...562!!!:)...........but yeah there does need to be more mass transit all overe LA county.....there are just more important ones ....like the red line down wilshire......i wouldnt want to hold that project up for one where i live cause i realize how much more important it is....hopefully the MTA gets more money for all these projects :nocrook:

[LANative]

I apoligize if this question has answered but I must ask, why in the hell Beverly Hills doesn't want a subway system?

[LA-dude]

^^i think at first the city rejected it....but w/ the helatious(sp?) traffic over there, the mayor said hes all for anything thatll fix the traffic problem.......i could be leaving some stuff out though....anyone care to correct me?

[klamedia]

^^i think at first the city rejected it....but w/ the helatious(sp?) traffic over there, the mayor said hes all for anything thatll fix the traffic problem.......i could be leaving some stuff out though....anyone care to correct me?

Well you are leaving out the reason as to why they rejected it in the first place. Racism and Classism. Simply put. Also they all yelled about their streets being torn up for years while the thing was being built. And lastly and philosophically, LA by mid century had decided that it did not want to be like the crowded cohesive eastern cities. It was to be a city where everyone had a backyard and space to move around and a voice. So places that were once just neighborhoods started registering to become cities, which causes a host of other problems, namely not having to go along with what LA(the principal city) decides. And frankly, alot of these so-called cities were established to make it harder and to combat the mobility of post-war blacks from moving into their neighborhoods. Inglewood ironically was at one time a very racist town. Anyway I'm getting off the topic. Please read this article. It is one of the best articles that I've read explaining the transit mess in LA county, volleyed by race, politics and class.
http://laweekly.com/ink/05/39/features-berkowitz.php

There should be a line from San Bernandino to Santa Monica

Their will be soon. You will be able to ride Metrolink to Union Station and transfer to the Expo line out to Santa Monica. Suburban trains (Metrolink)are for the suburbs. Urban trains(Red Line subway) are for the inner city.