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SA BOY
February 3rd, 2005, 08:59 AM
Something I have been thinking about is how many tall towers you can have in a typical city type block.
heres a start which I think will be the tallest.
In a row comming along Beach road. (Dubai Marina)

Number one dubai marina 54F 210m U/C
Ocean Heights 82F 300m U/C
Marina Crown 52F 207m U/C
Unknown tower (most possibly Najd Tower 75F 300m+ or Marina Gardens 75F 300m+) U/C
Le Reve 45F 200m U/C
Al ameria 90F 340m U/C
Emirates crown 60F 260m U/C
Al Marsa Tower 59 254m U/C
And just behind that row you have -
Marina Heights 53F 208m U/C
Marina Pinnacle 66F 260m
Mag tower 55F 200m+U/C
Al seef tower 44F 215m U/C
Thats 9 200m plus and 3 300m plus towers over a block.
All of these are on what would be a typical block in any major city on the planet.
Any other blocks that could beat that???

Trances
February 3rd, 2005, 01:08 PM
Huge Dubai going to be some sight will them all in a alittle over a year
with all a long way in to there Construction

Pengui
February 3rd, 2005, 04:51 PM
Union Square in Hong Kong can certainly give some good competition to this cluster in Dubai:
completed Sorrento 1 256 m 75 2003
completed The Harbourside 255 m 75 2003
completed Sorrento 2 236 m 66 2003
completed Sorrento 3 218 m 64 2003
completed Sorrento 5 212 m 62 2003
completed Sorrento 6 206 m 60 2003
completed The Waterfront 1 142 m 46 2000
completed The Waterfront 2 142 m 46 2000
completed The Waterfront 3 142 m 46 2000
completed The Waterfront 4 142 m 46 2000
completed The Waterfront 5 142 m 46 2000
completed The Waterfront 6 142 m 46 2000
under construction Union Square Phase 7 474 m 111 2007
under construction Union Square Phase 6 Tower 1 265 m 68 2006
under construction Union Square Phase 6 Tower 2 265 m 68 2006
under construction [topped out] The Victory Arch 231 m 65 2006

th0m
February 3rd, 2005, 05:06 PM
Is there such a thing as a typical block? I mean, a block in New York isn't even block-shaped, its a rectangle of roughly 75 by 250 m. Maybe you should define it more closely.

Either way, Dubai seems to have a real dense block as you showed SA Boy, any pictures that can better portray that density?

Taufiq
February 3rd, 2005, 05:40 PM
EDIT

bruceb25
February 3rd, 2005, 06:28 PM
Huge Dubai going to be some sight will them all in a alittle over a year
with all a long way in to there Construction

Are you writing in English?

tritown
February 4th, 2005, 04:48 AM
:lol:

bs_lover_boy
February 4th, 2005, 10:02 AM
Union Square in Hong Kong can certainly give some good competition to this cluster in Dubai:
completed Sorrento 1 256 m 75 2003
completed The Harbourside 255 m 75 2003
completed Sorrento 2 236 m 66 2003
completed Sorrento 3 218 m 64 2003
completed Sorrento 5 212 m 62 2003
completed Sorrento 6 206 m 60 2003
completed The Waterfront 1 142 m 46 2000
completed The Waterfront 2 142 m 46 2000
completed The Waterfront 3 142 m 46 2000
completed The Waterfront 4 142 m 46 2000
completed The Waterfront 5 142 m 46 2000
completed The Waterfront 6 142 m 46 2000
under construction Union Square Phase 7 474 m 111 2007
under construction Union Square Phase 6 Tower 1 265 m 68 2006
under construction Union Square Phase 6 Tower 2 265 m 68 2006
under construction [topped out] The Victory Arch 231 m 65 2006

That totals to 3740m

AltinD
February 4th, 2005, 10:23 AM
Are you writing in English?

No, he writtes in Aussie ...



:drunk:

Skybean
February 4th, 2005, 10:48 AM
In addition to the Kowloon side of Hong Kong... you cannot discount Hong Kong Island for density and height.

Something I have been thinking about is how many tall towers you can have in a typical city type block.

I have no idea. Someone count...

A small section of HK island.
http://img235.exs.cx/img235/3998/ifc2075en9cn.jpg

nezzybaby
February 4th, 2005, 12:15 PM
:eek2: that is a beautiful image

SA BOY
February 4th, 2005, 12:36 PM
of course HK is dense but the thread is about how many 200m plus towers in a block, and a typical block means different things in different cities. In dubai it like 200m by 100m and in that block are all the towers listed, plus 3 plots not yet released

atkinson1
February 4th, 2005, 12:44 PM
It would be interesting to define technically what a "block" is, and then find out what block on the planet has the most floors, the most area in terms of floor space, the most residential/office etc.

SkylineTurbo
February 4th, 2005, 01:10 PM
Hong Kong has land space scarcity, as it gives it the dense, extremely high looking skyline, very good idea. Dubai has LOADS of space to build, but chooses also not to sprawl.

th0m
February 4th, 2005, 02:01 PM
^ th0m, are you by any chance a forumer of Tranceaddict.com? With an ESB avatar? :)
________________________________

On topic:



I thought it was 380m!??! :runaway:

Yup, whats up :D

Taufiq
February 4th, 2005, 06:04 PM
EDIT

baqthier
February 4th, 2005, 06:18 PM
KLCC in KL

1) Petronas 1 - 452m
2) Petronas 2 - 452m
3) Lot C - 210m+(proposed)
4) Maxis - 210m
5) KLCC Binjai Residentials 1 - 200m+
6) KLCC Binjai Residentials 2 - 200m+
7) Exxon Mobil - 132m
8) Traders Hotel - 140m+

and more others unrevealed :D

-(・∀・)-(^。^)-
February 5th, 2005, 02:07 PM
In addition to the Kowloon side of Hong Kong... you cannot discount Hong Kong Island for density and height.



I have no idea. Someone count...

A small section of HK island.
http://img235.exs.cx/img235/3998/ifc2075en9cn.jpg


/( ^。^)/ BAD \(^。^)\

SHORTY
February 5th, 2005, 05:30 PM
What about Toronto's MINT district with the addition of Trump at 325m and Saphire at 320?

EAT my SHORTS!!!!!!
February 5th, 2005, 05:34 PM
well miami has biscayne blvd,which has 7-400ft,3-500ft,4-600 ft,3 700ft,1-800ft.

dubaiflo
May 23rd, 2005, 12:58 PM
A little update on the tallest block on the planet:


look at that...


http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/dubaiflo/marina.jpg

of course both maps are exactly next to each other actually. about 300m x 150 m is that block .

Al seef - 215m
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/photopost/data/500/11020Al_Seef_Tower.jpg

by altind

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v705/altind/Picture042.jpg

Mag 218 - 55F

http://www.key2dubai.co.uk/images/locations/MAG%202181.jpg

Marina Heights - 208.4m

http://www.marinaheightstower.com/images/2_354x500.jpg

Marina Pinnacle - 260m

http://www.gowealthy.com/realestate/dubai/marinapinnacle/images/overview_02.jpg

Al Ameera - 380m to Spire

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/photopost/data/500/11020Al_Amira_Tower3.jpg

Najd Tower - 340m

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/photopost/data/500/11020Najad_Tower.jpg

Number One Dubai Marina - 210m

http://www.gulfconstructionworldwide.com/source/XXV/07/images/A-AL-ROSTA.jpg

Le Reve - 200m

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid119/p989da4c17101946ccd856e2cf1f0a52f/f86f1bb2.jpg

Marina Crown - 207m

http://www.gowealthy.com/html/realestate/images/marinacrownfull-small.jpg

Emirates Crown - 270m

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/photopost/data/500/11020Emirates_Crown.jpg

Ocean Heights - ~300m

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/photopost/data/500/11020Ocean_Heights.jpg

Al Marsa - 253.5m

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/photopost/data/503/11020Al_Marsa_Tower.jpg

23 Marina - ~389m

http://img17.exs.cx/img17/8743/23marina5qm.jpg

The Torch - 345m

http://www.stottgroup.co.uk/media/images/torch.jpg




Further we have serious proposals, which could be approved very soon and are likely to be in that block,

one 110 F by Dimensions

http://www.dimensions-ec.com/News/Image/04.jpg

another 101 F by Fortune Group

no render so far.

AltinD
May 23rd, 2005, 06:08 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v705/altind/DubaiMarinaMap1.jpg


A1 - Al Marsa Tower
A2 - Emirates Crown
A3 - Princess Tower
A4 - Le Reve
A5 - Al Najd Tower
A6 - The Marina Crown Tower
A7 - Ocean Heights Tower
A8 - No. 1 Dubai Marina
Bi - The Torch
B2 - Marina Pinacle
B3 - ???
B4 - ???
B5 - ???
B6 - Al Seef Tower
C1 - Marina Heights Tower
C2 - Mag 218 Tower
C3 - ???
C4 - ???
C5 - 23 Marina Tower


The 110 floors tower should be located on the unmarked plots on the botom.


Overview of the aerea:

April 6th, (by Tom_Green) (from left - right: Al Marsa, Le Reve, Marina Crown, No.1 Marina, Al Seef & Marina Heights)

http://tinypic.com/4jtf6t


Same aerea on May 8th :

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v705/altind/Picture023.jpg


Picture (Tom_Green) of an wider aerea, including Grosvenor House (211 m) on the left and Murjan & Musk Towers (185 m) on the right.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v705/altind/4l3ccy1.jpg


An aerial of the aerea from the forum member soennecken:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v302/seonnecken/DM1.jpg


:cheers:

Sexas
May 23rd, 2005, 06:34 PM
call me crazy...but from the airea view, Dubai look like Las Vegas with all the unnecessary skyscraper, wow it is lots of empty land.

Dubai-Lover
May 23rd, 2005, 06:40 PM
what you call lots of empty land will soon be a paradise of canals and green areas

maybe i should tell you that 2 years ago this area looked like the sahara!

check the green spot on the left in this aerial
this is an almost completed residential development with loads of villas, lakes and lush green, this is how the area will look soon
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v302/seonnecken/DM1.jpg

capslock
May 23rd, 2005, 06:42 PM
Looks like Benidorm on steroids... but without any of the rich history ;)

Just think, from the top of those you'll be able to see... er, the desert and er... your neighbours.

Viva Dubailand!

AltinD
May 23rd, 2005, 07:56 PM
No, you'll not see the desert, you see towers, and then more towers, and then villas, and then more villas, and Golf courses and more Golf Corses, and ....

I forgot that you'll see The Palm Jumeirah, just in front of you.

(I wonder what you see from the top of your house, apart of grey and red brick homes endlessly ...)

29A
May 23rd, 2005, 08:19 PM
At this pace, it is only a matter of some 4-5 years until Dubai will be at par with, or better yet, outstrip Shanghai in terms of the quality of the highrises atleast

Sexas
May 24th, 2005, 01:45 AM
Nice...desert and fake greens, wonder why people want go there for holiday, I know you guys will say Las Vegas is the same but Las Vegas have one thing Dubai don't have - SEXY woman I can see the body, I also think you guys will say I never been to Dubai what do I know? But it is all about first impression, only skyscraper, fake lake and pricey hotel can't get me there, place with no history and middle class just not right.

Ellatur
May 24th, 2005, 01:52 AM
whoaaaaaaaaa thats nice

Phobos
May 24th, 2005, 02:16 AM
Wow...so many towers!

SuperMan44
May 24th, 2005, 02:28 AM
Holy shit thats awesome.

DarkFenX
May 24th, 2005, 02:34 AM
I still don't get how a population this small can support so many towers.

Born in the North
May 24th, 2005, 02:50 AM
Nice...desert and fake greens, wonder why people want go there for holiday, I know you guys will say Las Vegas is the same but Las Vegas have one thing Dubai don't have - SEXY woman I can see the body, I also think you guys will say I never been to Dubai what do I know? But it is all about first impression, only skyscraper, fake lake and pricey hotel can't get me there, place with no history and middle class just not right.

Give me Dubai before the States anytime. American women, i think you mean tacky not classy,very much like many American cities , tacky and fake.

I cannot wait to go back to Dubai in August, Manchester to Dubai with Emirates. I will be staying at "The Palm Tree Courts at the Jebel Ali", this time. I have stayed at The Burj ,Jumeriah Beach and the Al Qasr, The Burj is pricey even for us Brits.

An American talking about history, now that is rich. The only history the yanks have got is what the British built before we got sick of fighting over which Brits owned your country and left. If you wanted to visit cities with history then you would go to Manchester or Barcelona for example not Dubai.

Your are right Dubai has little history but that is not why many go to Dubai, it is great to experience different cultures in different countries, in case you didn't know, not all the women in Dubai wear traditional arab dress when out.

Favourite cities :

(1) Manchester.
(2) Dubai.
(3) Barcelona.

As-salaam alaykum

Bca
May 24th, 2005, 03:05 AM
mmmm Sexas - Crack Whores, Transsexuals, Transvestites, Single mums, aid infested street workers, and plastic bodyparts sure make American women classy...........

sorry completly off topic! anyway back to the big block - i'm very jealous!

CULWULLA
May 24th, 2005, 03:40 AM
thanks for updates guys
the TORCH is impressive! how old is this proposal new? all apartments?
they never stop do they.
http://www.stottgroup.co.uk/media/images/torch.jpg

Dino Domingo
May 24th, 2005, 04:03 AM
My God Dubai!

Victoria
May 24th, 2005, 04:32 AM
Lookin' good. :)

Dale
May 24th, 2005, 04:55 AM
Give me Dubai before the States anytime. American women, i think you mean tacky not classy,very much like many American cities , tacky and fake.

I cannot wait to go back to Dubai in August, Manchester to Dubai with Emirates. I will be staying at "The Palm Tree Courts at the Jebel Ali", this time. I have stayed at The Burj ,Jumeriah Beach and the Al Qasr, The Burj is pricey even for us Brits.

An American talking about history, now that is rich. The only history the yanks have got is what the British built before we got sick of fighting over which Brits owned your country and left. If you wanted to visit cities with history then you would go to Manchester or Barcelona for example not Dubai.

Your are right Dubai has little history but that is not why many go to Dubai, it is great to experience different cultures in different countries, in case you didn't know, not all the women in Dubai wear traditional arab dress when out.

Favourite cities :

(1) Manchester.
(2) Dubai.
(3) Barcelona.

As-salaam alaykum

Don't be bitter.

Dale
May 24th, 2005, 04:57 AM
thanks for updates guys
the TORCH is impressive! how old is this proposal new? all apartments?
they never stop do they.
http://www.stottgroup.co.uk/media/images/torch.jpg

'It looks like a giant hypodermic needle !' is surely an overused analogy in architecture. But, by golly, this one really, really does look like one ! :eek2:

SA BOY
May 24th, 2005, 07:32 AM
Looks like Benidorm on steroids... but without any of the rich history ;)

Just think, from the top of those you'll be able to see... er, the desert and er... your neighbours.

Viva Dubailand!
with out any rich history???? Are you mad, Dubai has a history going back thousands of years when spain was non existant. Maybe you should do a history check and see what this areas rich cultural past is all about before putting your foot in your obviously unifformed mouth

mtb_nz
May 24th, 2005, 08:23 AM
Damn what an area... imagine it in another 10 years time. Just simply amazing :)

Just wondering though, how does Dubai get so many buildings, approved so quickly?? as it takes ages for new proposed buildings to get approved where I live.

eusebius
May 24th, 2005, 09:05 AM
Sorry to annoy you but this is not a block. Block = buildings not detached. I think the whole idea behind Dubai is not hear your neighbours, like one would in a block. Looks impressive though.

29A
May 24th, 2005, 09:21 AM
Yeah man, thats what i would like to know. How they are approved so quickly?. What is the process?

AltinD
May 24th, 2005, 09:47 AM
I don't know why you guys thinks these buildings mushroomed out of nowhere? The Dubai Marina masterplan, where this block is located, was prepared and aproved on 1997. The digging of the marina canal started somewhere in 1998 and the first buildings started construction somewhere in 2001.

rocky
May 24th, 2005, 10:12 AM
cant be a block theires a road cutting it in 2 parts..

capslock
May 24th, 2005, 10:34 AM
with out any rich history???? Are you mad, Dubai has a history going back thousands of years when spain was non existant. Maybe you should do a history check and see what this areas rich cultural past is all about before putting your foot in your obviously unifformed mouth

Hmm I'm surprised it took so many posts for someone to rise to that. I don't normally stoop to goading but sorry, I just can't take Dubailand seriously. I know it has a history, a trading port around the Dubai creek wasn't it... but how much of it is visible in those photos that everyone seems so keen to worship.... er, try none! It looks like sim city made real with all of the character and charm that goes with it.

The comparison with Benidorm was a bit tongue and cheek (and if you read the post I was mocking Benidorm's 'rich history' not Dubai - sarcasm doesn't always come across in type though I know) but i think it's a good comparison nonetheless. Both exploded over a short period of time and both are resulting in a characterless anywhere sort of place. Both started in response to a particular trend in international tourism and both are in danger of leaving zero legacy when fashions change.

I'm happy you're proud of this but I can't pretend I'm all that impressed. It just strongly smacks of compensating for something. I much prefer how Muscat has chosen to develop for example.

dubaiflo
May 24th, 2005, 10:43 AM
what is your problem with the history of dubai.
i would say dubai has as much history as shanghai has, and nobody is complaining about it?

capslock
May 24th, 2005, 11:52 AM
what is your problem with the history of dubai.
i would say dubai has as much history as shanghai has, and nobody is complaining about it?

What is your problem with reading what I wrote.

I have no problem with the history of Dubai. I dispute the salivating on this thread at what Dubai is developing now, which has about as much relevance to Dubai's history as hot dogs or skiing.

Is that short enough to be comprehensible?

SA BOY
May 24th, 2005, 12:01 PM
boys boys boys,each to his own. Anyways that is not a ROAD its a residence access raod for the buildinsg basements. anyway a block is defined as a series of structures surrounded by a network of road to which access is gained by each building.
the size is not universally given as say a NY block is structed and squre in a grid pattern where a say Shanghi block radiates from a central point so its a different shape but serves the same function.

This thread was to point out that there is no-where on the plant with as many 200m+ towers within such a confined BLOCK , I mean we are talking about a 300 by 150m area whci is not big at all and yet it has so many towers over 200m

TallBox
May 24th, 2005, 12:08 PM
Nice...desert and fake greens, wonder why people want go there for holiday, I know you guys will say Las Vegas is the same but Las Vegas have one thing Dubai don't have - SEXY woman I can see the body, I also think you guys will say I never been to Dubai what do I know? But it is all about first impression, only skyscraper, fake lake and pricey hotel can't get me there, place with no history and middle class just not right.

lol, you shouldn't comment on far away places if you haven't ventured out of the trailer park ;)



besides, dubai is building for willy-waving - just like new york in the 30s, like las vegas, like moscow, or london hundreds of years ago. it's just happening on a timescale of a few years, not a few centuries.

capslock
May 24th, 2005, 12:37 PM
@ SA Boy

Fair enough... and it is impressive in the scale of its ambition. I just don't like them. I don't mind people disagreeing with me on that either, not everyone can be right :jk:

@shaun

Yes building for willy-waving has a long and honourable tradition. At least you recognise it for what it is

pottebaum
May 25th, 2005, 12:32 AM
Just ignore Sexas and Born_in_the_North. That argument is going to take us WAAY offtopic.

Here's something i really don't like, though:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/photopost/data/500/11020Najad_Tower.jpg

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/photopost/data/500/11020Al_Amira_Tower3.jpg

WHY all those parking lots at the base of those towers? Are they going for the verticle Walmart feel, or what? ;)
Cool towers, though!

malec
May 25th, 2005, 12:38 AM
It's because when they build underground they have problems with the water and things like that. Someone mentioned it in the UAE forums aswell.

pottebaum
May 25th, 2005, 12:47 AM
Oh---but couldn't they still incorporate it better with the building? There must be a better option than a surface lot!

Dubai-Lover
May 25th, 2005, 12:49 AM
2 things:

the block we're talking about is just a tiny part of this whole area

the whole area will have some 300 towers, but we only talk about a block of 20 towers, which will be the tallest in the world

damn it, the bandwith has been exceeded, but in the aerial this blocks is in the foreground where a small number is almost completed
the big ones are still missing


lol, i've posted it a zillion times: car parks are over ground due to high ground water level!

pottebaum
May 25th, 2005, 12:51 AM
I know that they put them above ground because of the water level, but there must be a way they could make it look better! Having some big parking is a blight to a potentially decent development!

Dubai-Lover
May 25th, 2005, 12:56 AM
well, there are towers which try to hide it with a huge nicely designed base like the marina crown for example, which is in this tallest block btw


can you spot the car park????
http://www.artec.ae/images/frag-02%20copy.jpg

malec
May 25th, 2005, 12:58 AM
I agree that it's an eyesore for some of the towers, having a huge base like that. More towers should incorparate the parking with the tower design like the marina crown. Hiding it's bettrer

pottebaum
May 25th, 2005, 01:04 AM
Yeah, it just looks tacky the way they have those two towers. With all that open space around, it makes it look like they're building tall just for the sake of having another skyscraper.

Taufiq
May 25th, 2005, 04:05 AM
Yeah, it just looks tacky the way they have those two towers. With all that open space around, it makes it look like they're building tall just for the sake of having another skyscraper.

I'd rather have a parking lot with a 350m+ tower than an underground parking lot with a <200m building..

Have we at skyscrapercity got our priorities mixed up? Hmm proper skyscraper or proper parking lot.. good question.

pottebaum
May 25th, 2005, 05:34 AM
I'd rather have a parking lot with a 350m+ tower than an underground parking lot with a <200m building..


I'm the exact opposite. I'd rather have a building that looks good from street level, too. I mean, a surface parking lot around a 350m building? There must be a better way--why risk such tackyness?

dubaiflo
May 25th, 2005, 08:05 AM
i am sure those towers will look good from street level too.
just look at the base of al seef, it looks pretty good and is actually a car park.

http://files.bighosting.net/xg10587.jpg

Principes
May 25th, 2005, 08:40 AM
Amazing.

Sexas
May 25th, 2005, 11:37 AM
You guys can say whatever you want, but I stand what I say and this is a free speech forum. Dubai is "a #1 city want/try to be" without any real quality, even spending millions of dollars to build tall building, tricky hotel and fake green can't make Dubai a "REAL" city, all you can get after all this is a theme park and a place to display the most wasteful way to use money.

carfentanyl
May 25th, 2005, 11:40 AM
with out any rich history???? Are you mad, Dubai has a history going back thousands of years when spain was non existant. Maybe you should do a history check and see what this areas rich cultural past is all about before putting your foot in your obviously unifformed mouth

Yeah man, tell 'm! Spain's history is practically non-existent compared to UAE's rich history! Ignorant narrowminded idiots with tunnelvision!

Madrid, Barcelona, Valencia, Granada, Alhambra, Salamanca, pffff, small places with just a handful of historical places. Everybody knows Dubai has the real history!

On topic... impressive buildings, but I'd hardly call it a block. I call it a collection of towers. Blocks with skyscrapers like NY has 'm are non-existent in Dubai...

SA BOY
May 25th, 2005, 11:49 AM
well what would you call a block then? what is different from the square area with many buildings surrounded by roads in NY or Dubai?

Dubai-Lover
May 25th, 2005, 12:38 PM
listen to yourselves!

you call us ignorant and narrow-minded :lol: :hilarious

none of us is saying anything bad about other cities and you guys only kick a young baby-city lying on the ground, and you keep on kicking it, without having no fucking idea what this city is like and especially will be like!!!
no respect for other cities developing another way, having other traditions,...! that's what i call ignorant and narrow-minded!

nobody asked you to find dubai great, but don't expect us to accept dumb wrong offensive comments!

leave it up to dubai to take care of its own and to be able to stand their ambitions and realize them successfully. it's none of your fucking business!

there are other cities in the middle east developing this way, not as extreme as dubai, but there are many parallels in their ambitions
yuk, the middle east is fake and has no history and is a region of backward sandeaters!

how can an exisiting city be fake or unreal! you gotta explain me! :lol:

dubaiflo
May 25th, 2005, 01:03 PM
d-l maybe you we're a little bit rude, but the actual statement was correct, if i read what sexas said i am just pissed of and nobody should complain about the UAE forumers are not able to give a good , friendly, and correct answer.
(see SSP diagram thread in UAE section)

malec
May 25th, 2005, 01:46 PM
I'm the exact opposite. I'd rather have a building that looks good from street level, too. I mean, a surface parking lot around a 350m building? There must be a better way--why risk such tackyness?

Now that I look at it those parking lots at the base seem to be more of an eye sore from an arial view. They look alright from the bottom.

You guys can say whatever you want, but I stand what I say and this is a free speech forum. Dubai is "a #1 city want/try to be" without any real quality, even spending millions of dollars to build tall building, tricky hotel and fake green can't make Dubai a "REAL" city, all you can get after all this is a theme park and a place to display the most wasteful way to use money.?

Fair enough it's your opinion. Some of the projects there such as the palm islands seem this way but they are shaped this way for a reason. One is the tourism factor, the other is having the most beachfront housing as possible. The marina is NOT like this however. It's just like an ordinary tower development anywhere else, just that they're a bit taller here.

BTW in my own opinion, I like most of this development because they are looking towards the future wheras many places in that region aren't.

carfentanyl
May 25th, 2005, 02:27 PM
well what would you call a block then? what is different from the square area with many buildings surrounded by roads in NY or Dubai?

I would call a block where the base of the buildings are really attached to eachother and are surrounded by a single road.

See the difference:

Dubai:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v302/seonnecken/DM1.jpg

New York:

http://www.luphen.org.uk/images/2003/2003-08/2003-08-27-230806.jpg


I am not saying it's a good or bad thing, I'm just saying that it's not comparable.

carfentanyl
May 25th, 2005, 02:43 PM
listen to yourselves!

you call us ignorant and narrow-minded :lol: :hilarious

none of us is saying anything bad about other cities and you guys only kick a young baby-city lying on the ground, and you keep on kicking it, without having no fucking idea what this city is like and especially will be like!!!
no respect for other cities developing another way, having other traditions,...! that's what i call ignorant and narrow-minded!

nobody asked you to find dubai great, but don't expect us to accept dumb wrong offensive comments!

leave it up to dubai to take care of its own and to be able to stand their ambitions and realize them successfully. it's none of your fucking business!

there are other cities in the middle east developing this way, not as extreme as dubai, but there are many parallels in their ambitions
yuk, the middle east is fake and has no history and is a region of backward sandeaters!

how can an exisiting city be fake or unreal! you gotta explain me! :lol:

I'm sure in a way this is pointed at me, considering I used the words 'ignorant and narrowminded'. I didn't call you or people from Dubai 'ignorant and narrowminded', eventhough you would love to think so.

I'm sure Dubai has history, had a discussion about it before, and found out for myself they do have some. Ofcourse. But a remark like:

'Are you mad, Dubai has a history going back thousands of years when spain was non existant.'

is a little too rediculous. History of Dubai only goes back to somewhere in 1700, although I'm sure the fishervillage is a little older. I dunno, but in my historybooks Spain already existed back then. And oh wait, they had colonised half the freaking world! Mentioning Spain in a comparisation with Dubai's history is just a little too funny. Spain has been one of the most influential countries in history and numerous countries have Spanish as their official language.

All I wanna say is Dubai is doing great things now and is becoming a worldclass city, but is it so hard to admit that it's not that rich in history? Just look as Dubai as history in the making...

dubaiflo
May 25th, 2005, 02:55 PM
I would call a block where the base of the buildings are really attached to eachother and are surrounded by a single road.

See the difference:

Dubai:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v302/seonnecken/DM1.jpg

New York:

http://www.luphen.org.uk/images/2003/2003-08/2003-08-27-230806.jpg


I am not saying it's a good or bad thing, I'm just saying that it's not comparable.

it will look almost the same, though maybe not that close, but you have to consider that all the free spaces will be built up actually!!

Dubai-Lover
May 25th, 2005, 03:21 PM
right, in 5 years you won't see any piece of sand in this photo!!!

towers, villas, parks, lakes, promenades, malls, roads, shops, cafés,....

carfentanyl
May 25th, 2005, 03:45 PM
It looks different to me, I already see parking lots, tennis courts and lawns between the scrapers. I'm not talking about the visible sand, it's just that in these NY streets there are no open spaces and the bases of the buildings seem to form one big buildingblock. There's some serious canyoning going on, while you don't see that in Dubai.

Before I get bad comments I wanna emphasize again that I do not say it's a good or a bad thing, just that it's hard to compare the two.

malec
May 25th, 2005, 03:50 PM
I also think there will be green areas. I'd prefer it that way though

DUBAI
May 25th, 2005, 04:05 PM
ok, well you cant realy judge that blocks densty yet, no building has been constructed next to its imediade neighbour yet.


also comparing this area with new york is not realy a sensible comparsion. its a beach facing residentail area, not a comercial/industrial area, and that is what its being constructed for. perhaps a comparison with Waikiki or Miami beaches would be better.

nezzybaby
May 25th, 2005, 04:36 PM
in my mind a blocks an area surrounded by roads with none inside. New york has by far the densist blocks in terms of number and size of buildings per block. Whereas dubai has/will have the tallest blocks with maybe 5 or 6 buildings in a block all over 300m.

totally agree with carfentanyl, they just aint comparable. Its not a crack at dubai or New york, its just different. If New York had more space or started its construction boom now rather than early 20th century, it may well have ended up more like dubai. Dubai is the future New york is now.

The two aerial shots are awesome.

nezzybaby
May 25th, 2005, 04:41 PM
Dubais history going back further than spain amazingly unlikely!

further back than America... may well be. Lets be fair america doesnt have much of a history, we went over there killed all the locals and built a colony. Eventually they told us to fuck off thats there history. Same story with spain and south america.

However modern history or development history is different, and dubai was not a big place until recently, whereas New York developed a lot early on.

If you want history go to Egypt, however history has no place in this debate

AltinD
May 25th, 2005, 04:58 PM
It looks different to me, I already see parking lots, tennis courts and lawns between the scrapers. I'm not talking about the visible sand, it's just that in these NY streets there are no open spaces and the bases of the buildings seem to form one big buildingblock. There's some serious canyoning going on, while you don't see that in Dubai.


If you would have read all the thread and not just the "dead horse beating" history coments (as usual), you would have understood that we are talking about the block of highrises on the left, and not about everything that is is visible on that aereal picture.

The tennis courts and lawns are part of the sea facing Hotels and have nothing to do with the block under discussion, just accross the road.

AltinD
May 25th, 2005, 05:00 PM
REMINDER: We are discussing the TALLEST block ...

Taufiq
May 25th, 2005, 05:07 PM
I am not saying it's a good or bad thing, I'm just saying that it's not comparable.

Give it about 5 years

http://skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=178561
^ hold PGDN for fun!

nezzybaby
May 25th, 2005, 05:09 PM
"If you would have read all the thread and not just the "dead horse beating" history coments (as usual), you would have understood that we are talking about the block of highrises on the left, and not about everything that is is visible on that aereal picture. "

yes and they are still much more spaced out than any building in New York. In the original diagram posted implying tallest block, there were at least five distinct blocks each seperated by roads.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/dubaiflo/marina.jpg


the biggest of these (the one with 23 marina etc.) has 8 buildings at most, and a huge green area in the middle. the point carfentanyl has been trying to make without causing this sort of backlash is that if this block was in NY there would be no green area, and all the buildings would be joined at ground level. So showing around 20 buildings and calling it the tallest block on the planet, would only work if it was just one block.

As it happens this probably will end up being the tallest block on the planet for a while, but i doubt it'll last long. Either Business bay or the waterfront will probably beat it eventually

DUBAI
May 25th, 2005, 05:55 PM
Not all the roads you see will actualy be roads, there are supposed to be underground service tunnels in the marina.

but i still get your point, not a conventional block in the new york sence, but who decided that New york was the worlds highest authorites on blocks!

theyve been around far longer than NY.

elliot
May 25th, 2005, 10:59 PM
Reality check/cheque: post aerial of NYC, HK beside aerial of Dubai... then decide which one looks like a recent tree planting in a plaza.

100 years of steady building should bring it up to par, until the desert takes it back (which it definitely will do).

DUBAI
May 26th, 2005, 04:07 AM
^and this has what to do with the tallest block?


why dont you go and launch a dubai bashing thread somewhere???

obviously dubai is the new kid on the block, and obviously other cities are more developed...

why not look at photos of dubai in the 60's and start yelling at them about the citys 'puny nature'....

ok, back to the fact thats its silly to compare NY to the marina!

superchan7
May 26th, 2005, 04:46 AM
what you call lots of empty land will soon be a paradise of canals and green areas

maybe i should tell you that 2 years ago this area looked like the sahara!

check the green spot on the left in this aerial
this is an almost completed residential development with loads of villas, lakes and lush green, this is how the area will look soon


Still looks like the sahara. With a lot of widely spaced skyscrapers.
I personally prefer the traditional centre of the city, with old and new together. What happens when these massive new areas start to age? In 30 years we'll have an entire city that's 30 years out of date! Unless these towers are short-term and will be replaced again and again with all that money of theirs...

SA BOY
May 26th, 2005, 06:44 AM
guys this was a comparison of 1 square block, its not hard to understand what that is, is it? I mean its four raods surrounding some buildings.
On that basis the block in the lower left of the picture will be the tallest on the planet, no question. It will have 3 confirmed 300m plus towers and 6 200m plus towers and there are still 2 plots that are unacccounted for . Now considering that there are 2 100F plus towers released in the past few weeks , one would assume that one of those towers will be on that block too.
So tell me where else you get such a collections of towers in a 300m by 150m (aprox lenghts could be smaller) block anywhere else on the planet?
All these tennis courts and desert and crap is purely smoke screens, this is not about denseness (then HK would win hands down) its not about sprealling skyscraper cities (then NY would win) its purey comparing one small pice of land with other small pieces of land. Now please stick to the topic and lets move a thread like this foward instead of always saying crap about a place and bringing completly irrelivant issues to the thread.

CULWULLA
May 26th, 2005, 08:26 AM
there seems to be a lot of jealous guys on the forum.lol
good on Dubai
the new king of the skyscraper!

carfentanyl
May 26th, 2005, 09:16 AM
^This has nothing to do with jealousy...

Why is it that if a group of people or just one person has something to say that doesn't stroke completely with what one of the Dubai guys say they're automatically labeled as being jealous or as Dubai-bashers?

It's almost like some of the Dubai lovers love to put themselves in the victim role, and that any sort of criticism, no matter how small it is, is a huge insult to them. I just don't get it.

Dubai is getting a cluster here that is among the highest in the world or maybe the cluster even is the highest in the world. But if SOME people say that it's not a block, it doesn't always mean that they're trying to diss Dubai. It just means that SOME have a different view on what a block is.

Sure, there are a lot of Dubai bashers out there, but not everybody who is not completely in awe can be labeled a basher...

carfentanyl
May 26th, 2005, 09:27 AM
Give it about 5 years

http://skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=178561
^ hold PGDN for fun!

I don't have to hold pgdn for fun, the scroller on my mouse works just as nicely...

It's a really impressive list and there are definitely some fine buildings among 'm. But you can already see by the designs of the bases of the buildings that they will never form a real block NY-style. Most of these towers will have a purely residential function, with no shops in the bottom where you can do some window-shopping.

You will not get the canyon feeling you have when driving on 5th Avenue for example. Nevertheless a very interesting list...

Sexas
May 26th, 2005, 10:22 AM
Don't make me wrong I think Dubai do have some good building, but few good buildings (even lots of good buildings) can't make good city, city is not just make by building. The word "CITY" - A center of population, commerce, and culture; a town of significant size and importance. That's why I say Dubai isn't a real "city" yet, I know people in Dubai will say this is B.S. and pointless, but so do people call Las Vegas isn't a city for the same reason.
As for the block thing - I will call that the one in Dubai an "area" , a "district" or a "neighborhood" but it isn't a city block.

And what make you think I'm jealousy? because I hold a difference point of view?? funny to see how inscure people in Dubai can be, but don't worry I do understand where the insecurity come from, it is from this "Dubai will look better in 5/10/15 years and company will come...but we are not really that sure" plan.

dubaiflo
May 26th, 2005, 10:44 AM
this thread is again going the way down.
i just don't get what we are doing wrong, uae forumers ..?!

malec
May 26th, 2005, 11:07 AM
All we're doing is comparing a cluster of towers. What I think is a block is a group of buildings surrounded by streets, usually 4. I really think we should leave the city talk for another thread and concentrate on just this area.

BTW talking about the tallest block or area/district or whatever, what about the place in Shanghai with the Jin Mao tower and the WFC. There is also another proposed tower of similar height right next to them. I saw a rendering once of the area with everything in and it looks amazing!!!. If all gets built it would mean that there would be 3 400m+ towers in the same area.

nezzybaby
May 26th, 2005, 12:37 PM
^there is roads between SWFC and jin mao... and theres also not many tall buildins around them.... 3*400<8*250

capslock
May 26th, 2005, 01:07 PM
this thread is again going the way down.
i just don't get what we are doing wrong, uae forumers ..?!

Er... you're not doing anything wrong. Thanks for posting the images - sincerely - it's what makes this place function.

Personally though, I like to have a debate on these forums using the original post and thread title as a starting point. It wouldn't be much of a debate if everyone agreed and that's what sinks a thread quickest.

However, if I don't like the buildings, it doesn't make me uninformed and if I hold a different point of view, it doesn't make me a Dubai-basher.

One question by the way, I presume all these buildings are air-conditioned. Does the power for all these buildings come from oil? If so it's kind of an irony that Dubai is at least partly going this way so it has a future when the oil runs out... just a thought

Tom_Green
May 26th, 2005, 01:44 PM
I am a little bit confused. To me is the block from Le Reve to Number one Dubai Marina. But some people including Al Marsa tower into the block. But this tower is sperated by a big road from the other towers.


The situation right now or one year ago:

One year ago i saw the biggest block in the world. The Union Square. This was really a super large block. Somehow it looked like a castle with big walls.

During my visit in Dubai this year i had not the felling that this is a block.


To the future:

Union Square will have one of the tallest buildigs in the world in there block.

Dubai will have more than one building over 300m in there block. I don`t decide yet because it is to difficult.

malec
May 26th, 2005, 04:09 PM
Er... you're not doing anything wrong. Thanks for posting the images - sincerely - it's what makes this place function.

Personally though, I like to have a debate on these forums using the original post and thread title as a starting point. It wouldn't be much of a debate if everyone agreed and that's what sinks a thread quickest.

However, if I don't like the buildings, it doesn't make me uninformed and if I hold a different point of view, it doesn't make me a Dubai-basher.

One question by the way, I presume all these buildings are air-conditioned. Does the power for all these buildings come from oil? If so it's kind of an irony that Dubai is at least partly going this way so it has a future when the oil runs out... just a thought

You know what? A good idea would be to have a Q & A thread on Dubai. It was done on ssp a good while ago and it worked.

AltinD
May 26th, 2005, 04:24 PM
Another one:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v705/altind/DMTallestBlock.jpg

jonovision
May 26th, 2005, 04:55 PM
I just thought I go over to dictionary.com and see what the definition of a city block is, so......

A usually rectangular section of a city or town bounded on each side by consecutive streets.

This is what I would think of when someone says the term "city block". It doesn't have to be an area where all the buildings are connected.

Anyway, there's my two cents. GO DUBAI!!!

raymond_tung88
May 28th, 2005, 09:58 PM
Ok... to get back on topic, I would probably think the tallest block (well cluster is more like it) on the planet would be either Union Square (once its completed) or Pudong (when the SWFC ) is built. Mid-town Manhattan would be a good place as well as the cluster of skyscrapers in Toronto?

Sultan
May 28th, 2005, 10:12 PM
A lot of jealous freaks in this thread. For all the jealous freaks in here, remember this, your jealously will remain for the rest of your lives, because Dubai is here to stay. So, I suggest you fellas learn to appreciate it, rather than hatin it.

Dubai is doing a good job.

UnitedPakistan
May 28th, 2005, 11:45 PM
dubai has tall building but nothing else so i dont blame them. Dubai is like Islamabad dies at around 7PM lol

pakboy
May 28th, 2005, 11:49 PM
^^^^^
they also have sexy tourists (girls) on the beach/.

Dubai_Boy
May 29th, 2005, 12:05 AM
dubai has tall building but nothing else so i dont blame them. Dubai is like Islamabad dies at around 7PM lol

shame on you , comparing dubai to lahore of all places :)

AltinD
May 29th, 2005, 12:07 AM
dubai has tall building but nothing else so i dont blame them. Dubai is like Islamabad dies at around 7PM lol

LOL

Dies at 7PM???? Make it 3AM please.

Dubai may have a lot of Pakistanis, but Dubai is NOT Pakistan.

raymond_tung88
May 29th, 2005, 03:51 AM
A lot of jealous freaks in this thread. For all the jealous freaks in here, remember this, your jealously will remain for the rest of your lives, because Dubai is here to stay. So, I suggest you fellas learn to appreciate it, rather than hatin it.

Dubai is doing a good job.

Its not that people hate Dubai and are truly against it. Its just that many people from Dubai are proud about projects that have not even been built yet. Its ironic that they are comparing them to projects already built by saying how much better theirs are. Basically its comparing something that's fully established and successful to something that is risky and still in the makings.

No offense to people who either 1) live in Dubai and 2) love Dubai. We just can't really agree with you if it 1) hasn't been built and 2) hasn't been proven successful.

On a lighter note, I think Dubai is really shaping up. Its like an oasis in the desert. I really like the projects that are under construction and REALLY hope that they are successful. Thanks.

SA BOY
May 29th, 2005, 06:53 AM
dubai has tall building but nothing else so i dont blame them. Dubai is like Islamabad dies at around 7PM lol
geeze you are misinformed, please dont compare your hell hole with Dubai. Clubs are open to 3am and many weekends there are clubs open till dawn. The last cinema show is at 12pm in most cinemas and resturanst only get really busy after 10pm with it almost impossible to get a seat after 11pm.
Please dont make dumb arse statements before you check the facts, this is waht pisses so many dubai forumers off , the unsubstantiated and miss informed statements.
By almeans compare Dubai to places but please everyone get the facts straight.
Remember no oil for the 1000th time, also its not a secular islamic state ie its tolerent of other cultures and relgions and ways of life (alcohol permitted in certain places, doesnt ban movies like farenheit 9/11, has concerts -destiys child played last week, has churches -hindu temples, catholic churches etc
Most of the Dubai foremers are not local Emirates but we are as proud and pasionate about the place as we are here and are deffintly informwd about what goes on here as apposed to a CNN junkie who doesent even know where the place is.

627
May 29th, 2005, 08:56 AM
dubai rocks

dubaiflo
May 29th, 2005, 09:14 AM
exactly :D


ok seriously, Sa Boy, your post is pretty right, and is a good start for Q/A

raymond_tung88, don´t forget that one the one hand some parts of the projects are already built , or at least partially (the palm) ,and on the other hand they have proven successfully, e.g sold out in 2 Days, dubai is the fastest growing city in the world, so it works so far, and there are people living in the finished towers.

juiced
May 29th, 2005, 10:49 AM
A lot of jealousy in this thread!

griftre
May 29th, 2005, 01:56 PM
tsk tsk tsk, :ohno: ... some really are not well informed bout this beautiful city by the gulf, this city is much alive like all other bustling/booming cities around the world. the rulers of this country try to make a difference, they are using their resources wisely and making it more productive, boosting the economy with good initiatives just like what is happening now, im happy to see this big turn around of the UAE, Dubai to be specific. in a small span of time, DUbai has turned to be a world class tourist destination, a centre of commerce and trade that's why Dubai is very significant and a very important trading hub in this region. and its sad to say that there are people out there judging Dubai like this, like that, but they haven't set their foot on this part of the world...



btw, we're talking bout the tallest block on d planet here, not d densest, as some people who would try to argue about, i have nothing against other cities but one can't compare one city to other cities, one city is unique to another. what other dubai forumers would try to say is only this, DUBAI will have the tallest block by means of the heights of the buildings now under construction in the marina block, nothing else... :cheers:

SA BOY
May 29th, 2005, 02:47 PM
exacto mondo, its the tallest collection of towers in the smallest area

dubaiflo
May 29th, 2005, 03:12 PM
we got, who has a different opinion?

raymond_tung88
May 29th, 2005, 07:08 PM
DUBAI will have the tallest block by means of the heights of the buildings now under construction in the marina block, nothing else... :cheers:

Sorry but this is EXACTLY what I was talking about in my last post. You said Dubai WILL HAVE. Again you're comparing something that is in the making to something already existing. This thread isn't talking about which WILL be the tallest block (not doubting it won't be Dubai) its talking about what CURRENTLY is the tallest block.

627
May 29th, 2005, 07:14 PM
uh.. so what?

raymond tung why dont u do us all a favor and stop being a dumbass

raymond_tung88
May 29th, 2005, 08:09 PM
uh.. so what?

raymond tung why dont u do us all a favor and stop being a dumbass

Um... maybe because thats not what the thread is asking about?

How about this? Why don't you just do me a favour and shut the hell up! I'm not a Dubai hater and seriously I don't think I did anything wrong.

Did I beat your argument down and you just can't fight back? Maybe that's why you have to resort to calling people profane names.I think you should be banned for using such language.

malec
May 29th, 2005, 08:34 PM
I think we should all stop and get back to the thread or else the mods will lock it and we don't want that now do we. :bash:
Oh yeah so... I still think that place with all the supertalls in Shanghai will be the most impressive but we'll have to wait and see.

smussuw
May 29th, 2005, 09:07 PM
Madrid, Barcelona, Valencia, Granada, Alhambra, Salamanca, pffff, small places with just a handful of historical places. Everybody knows Dubai has the real history!


The history which spain has is Islamic history not spanish.

UnitedPakistan
May 29th, 2005, 09:12 PM
shame on you , comparing dubai to lahore of all places :)
I dont know if you can read correctly but i was talking about Islamabad

UnitedPakistan
May 29th, 2005, 09:14 PM
Well now i know why some people here hate Dubai. Thier was NO reason to flame me if i was misinformed. Its quite sad, well at least i know now and i share thier opinion.

And Islamabad is not a hell hole i bet you dont even know what Islamabad is :bash:

smussuw
May 29th, 2005, 10:12 PM
Well now i know why some people here hate Dubai. Thier was NO reason to flame me if i was misinformed. Its quite sad, well at least i know now and i share thier opinion.

And Islamabad is not a hell hole i bet you dont even know what Islamabad is :bash:

I appreciate ur respone U've really developed ur way of communication.

Sultan
May 29th, 2005, 10:24 PM
Its not that people hate Dubai and are truly against it. Its just that many people from Dubai are proud about projects that have not even been built yet. Its ironic that they are comparing them to projects already built by saying how much better theirs are. Basically its comparing something that's fully established and successful to something that is risky and still in the makings.

Raymond,

What if you were a citizen of a UAE. Wouldn't you be proud of the achievements that Dubai is making at the moment ? Wouldn't you feel proud that a city in your country has three of the world's tallest towers coming up, with a palm resort, the islands, marina, with hundreds of highrises. Wouldn't that make you proud mate ? Offcourse it would. So I don't blame UAE citizens for there pride. They deserve it.

As I said earlier, Dubai is doing a great job. Also, I do not agree with PakistanUnited on Dubai being like Islamabad. Dubai dies at 3 - 4 AM, not 7PM.

Sultan
May 29th, 2005, 10:28 PM
geeze you are misinformed, please dont compare your hell hole with Dubai. Clubs are open to 3am and many weekends there are clubs open till dawn. The last cinema show is at 12pm in most cinemas and resturanst only get really busy after 10pm with it almost impossible to get a seat after 11pm.

SA Boy,

Islamabad is no hell hole. You really haven't been to Isb. Its beautiful. It lacks highrises, but a capital city is meant for govt buildings, national monuments, and foreign missions, not highrises. Islamabad is a very beautiful city.

Dubai is beautiful too, but Dubai and Islamabad are very different cities. Dubai is mostly desert, being transformed into something nice now with highrises and planted greenery. But Islamabad is naturally beautiful, with lots of greenery, mountains, very well planned, and excellent city.

Now lets end this comparing each other here, and get back to the topic. :)

juiced
May 29th, 2005, 10:33 PM
Ah, but there's not much to do in Islamabad is there? ;)

Sultan
May 29th, 2005, 11:00 PM
Ah, but there's not much to do in Islamabad is there? ;)

There is stuff to do in Islamabad. Political stuff thats it! :D. Its a capital, and I think capital cities don't deserve highrises, they should be restricted to policital, commercial activities, along with housing schemes, all low-rises but no highrises.

raymond_tung88
May 30th, 2005, 12:23 AM
Raymond,

What if you were a citizen of a UAE. Wouldn't you be proud of the achievements that Dubai is making at the moment ? Wouldn't you feel proud that a city in your country has three of the world's tallest towers coming up, with a palm resort, the islands, marina, with hundreds of highrises. Wouldn't that make you proud mate ? Offcourse it would. So I don't blame UAE citizens for there pride. They deserve it.

As I said earlier, Dubai is doing a great job. Also, I do not agree with PakistanUnited on Dubai being like Islamabad. Dubai dies at 3 - 4 AM, not 7PM.

You're right in a sense that I would be proud IF I was a citizen of the UAE. Its just that if I were from Dubai, I wouldn't be TOO proud seeing how there are more established cities in the world that deserve the title CURRENTLY. I would also stick to what this thread is asking and not say otherwise.

Sorry... I don't hate Dubai. To those who think I do, well I'm sorry you think that way but I'm not. I just hate it when people say Dubai is so much better than cities which are clearly better like New York, London, Hong Kong, Tokyo, etc.

blackforest
May 30th, 2005, 01:14 AM
I'm from Dubai and I'm warning all non-Dubai forumers here that sometimes Dubai forumers exaggerrate things and get too excited about the developments in the city, and they trash other cities as a result.

Don't listen to these kinds of people.

DUBAI
May 30th, 2005, 01:45 AM
^ dont listen to this person...

she has previously stated that children should be punished for seeing santa claus, and stated how happy she would be to see the burj dubai fall over, killing thousands of people.

other than that i guess she shows potential to be a rational normal human being.

oh, other than the fact that she demanded to be banned, went crazy abusing everyone, then was banned, but has created new accounts on several accounts to try and weave her extremism back into the forum.

malec
May 30th, 2005, 02:40 AM
You're right in a sense that I would be proud IF I was a citizen of the UAE. Its just that if I were from Dubai, I wouldn't be TOO proud seeing how there are more established cities in the world that deserve the title CURRENTLY. I would also stick to what this thread is asking and not say otherwise.

Sorry... I don't hate Dubai. To those who think I do, well I'm sorry you think that way but I'm not. I just hate it when people say Dubai is so much better than cities which are clearly better like New York, London, Hong Kong, Tokyo, etc.

You're right, there's no way Dubai even closely matches any of those. They're already developed while Dubai is still only in its beginning stages (BTW I'm not saying Dubai hasn't been around for a long time). It has a lot of potential though.

And yes Blackforest, I do think Dubai forumers exagerate just a small bit ;) but I know I wouldn't mind seeing an 800+m tower going up in Ireland (well maybe not quite that big as there wouldn't be any surrounding skyscrapers).

Another thing is that at the moment Dubai is a good city but it won't be a GREAT city until a good number of years in the future. I think it will be a GREAT city not when Dubai has finished building these projects, but when it has filled them because it's the people that make the city.

There's my long post for the day and I'm going to bed now. Good Night :)

raymond_tung88
May 30th, 2005, 02:51 AM
You're right, there's no way Dubai even closely matches any of those. They're already developed while Dubai is still only in its beginning stages (BTW I'm not saying Dubai hasn't been around for a long time). It has a lot of potential though.

And yes Blackforest, I do think Dubai forumers exagerate just a small bit ;) but I know I wouldn't mind seeing an 800+m tower going up in Ireland (well maybe not quite that big as there wouldn't be any surrounding skyscrapers).

Another thing is that at the moment Dubai is a good city but it won't be a GREAT city until a good number of years in the future. I think it will be a GREAT city not when Dubai has finished building these projects, but when it has filled them because it's the people that make the city.

There's my long post for the day and I'm going to bed now. Good Night :)


I couldn't agree with you more!!! :)

Sultan
May 30th, 2005, 03:11 AM
^ dont listen to this person...

she has previously stated that children should be punished for seeing santa claus, and stated how happy she would be to see the burj dubai fall over, killing thousands of people.

other than that i guess she shows potential to be a rational normal human being.

oh, other than the fact that she demanded to be banned, went crazy abusing everyone, then was banned, but has created new accounts on several accounts to try and weave her extremism back into the forum.

Wasn't she banned ?

blackforest
May 30th, 2005, 03:17 AM
You're right, there's no way Dubai even closely matches any of those. They're already developed while Dubai is still only in its beginning stages (BTW I'm not saying Dubai hasn't been around for a long time). It has a lot of potential though.

And yes Blackforest, I do think Dubai forumers exagerate just a small bit ;) but I know I wouldn't mind seeing an 800+m tower going up in Ireland (well maybe not quite that big as there wouldn't be any surrounding skyscrapers).

Another thing is that at the moment Dubai is a good city but it won't be a GREAT city until a good number of years in the future. I think it will be a GREAT city not when Dubai has finished building these projects, but when it has filled them because it's the people that make the city.

There's my long post for the day and I'm going to bed now. Good Night :)

Good man yerself. I couldn't have put it better.

Liberty Hall isn't too bad now, and the U2 Tower and Heuston Gate seem to be okay. Perhaps Ireland will have its own 800 m in maybe 100 years time. But you've gotta take the wind factor into consideration, and vertical rain.. or was that horizontal.

Raza
May 30th, 2005, 03:21 AM
Good man yerself. I couldn't have put it better.

Liberty Hall isn't too bad now, and the U2 Tower and Heuston Gate seem to be okay. Perhaps Ireland will have its own 800 m in maybe 100 years time. But you've gotta take the wind factor into consideration, and vertical rain.. or was that horizontal.

your back, why?

weren't you banned for posting dirty things on iranian sex forums :weirdo:

blackforest
May 30th, 2005, 03:26 AM
Guys. Cut the crap. I just gave a disclaimer concerning trashing of other cities because of this hell-hole comment and other stuff I've seen in other international threads relating to Dubai.

Don't start trashing me now because I made a disclaimer.

Raza
May 30th, 2005, 03:28 AM
lol. sometimes your really cute. But sometimes you post horny things.

StevenW
May 30th, 2005, 03:52 AM
hey guys, maybe a better question for this thread would be, "What city has the tallest 4 square blocks?" A north by east by south by east 4 blocks. Or north by west by south by west......etc...... :)
Does that make sense? :D

juiced
May 30th, 2005, 04:44 AM
^ dont listen to this person...

she has previously stated that children should be punished for seeing santa claus, and stated how happy she would be to see the burj dubai fall over, killing thousands of people.

other than that i guess she shows potential to be a rational normal human being.

oh, other than the fact that she demanded to be banned, went crazy abusing everyone, then was banned, but has created new accounts on several accounts to try and weave her extremism back into the forum.

blackforest's account (now banned) was BulldozerGirl who generally wrecked a lot of havoc. I'm sure the Pakistani forumers will remember her constant anti-Asian/anti-Pakistani rantings and her views that bordered extremism.
Err, but apart from that she does consider herself quite normal.

blackforest
May 30th, 2005, 05:17 AM
This thread has gone to waste.

I was actually defending Pakistan when I complained about the "hell-hole" comment.

I'm just adding my 2 cents. I find some Dubai forumers to be talking crap in most international threads and they don't promote Dubai in a realistic or acceptable way.

Raza
May 30th, 2005, 05:36 AM
This thread has gone to waste.

I was actually defending Pakistan when I complained about the "hell-hole" comment.

I'm just adding my 2 cents. I find some Dubai forumers to be talking crap in most international threads and they don't promote Dubai in a realistic or acceptable way.

i know you were defending pakistan, but i was defending dubai, so were equall. :cheers:

SA BOY
May 30th, 2005, 06:58 AM
hey guys, maybe a better question for this thread would be, "What city has the tallest 4 square blocks?" A north by east by south by east 4 blocks. Or north by west by south by west......etc...... :)
Does that make sense? :D
Fair enough, but I thought that the universal defination of a block was the same to everyone.
This topic was started by me to highlight one small piece of dubai aproximatly 300m x 150m that will have the tallest collection of towers in such a small place anywhere on earth.
No one can dispute that a 400m, 3 x 300m and 6 x 200m plus towers is amazing for such a small piece of land.
Its not about density, its not aboput what time the city closes at night, its not about bulldozer girl having a bash at Dubai AGAIN, its simply about highlighting something special.
Why is it on every thread in every forum people have to start bashing a place, wether it be Dubai or China or anywhere.
This forum is for the shearing of ideas and facts and its as simple as that.
Why does everyone feel the need to compare something to somewhere else like its a compotition.
PLEASE STICK TO THE THREAD TOPIC

dubaiflo
May 30th, 2005, 08:05 AM
what a mighty statement.

so again,what do you guys think, is there any 300m x 150m area in the world which is taller?

carfentanyl
May 30th, 2005, 09:37 AM
The history which spain has is Islamic history not spanish.

And lemme guess, you are a Muslim?

I have nothing against Muslims, let me specifically mention that first, but I do think this is an extremely biased and pretty ignorant remark of you. Sure a huge part of Spain has been ruled by Muslims since 711 for a while, but before that there were Greeks, Romans, Visigoths and Celts, so you have to give them credit too.

And besides I do not think Hernán Cortés was a Muslim, otherwise the vast majority of South American people would have been Muslim instead of Catholic.

So please spare me the ignorance...

AltinD
May 30th, 2005, 11:13 AM
^ Do you have anything else to say on this SKYSCRAPER forum, apart "giving" history lessons.

griftre
May 30th, 2005, 12:38 PM
ha ha ha... :hahaha:

thought im in a history lesson forum.... :cucumber:

gheezzz... :hammer:

griftre
May 30th, 2005, 12:43 PM
lemme guess, carfentanyl will make a reply for another tutorial lesson coz he's a professor and a doctor of world history... stik to the topic boy... :bash:

mtb_nz
May 30th, 2005, 01:48 PM
wow... i think this thread is out of control now....

so just how tall are other blocks of buildings in other cities.... eg. Hong Kong, Shanghai, Tokyo, New York, etc etc....

carfentanyl
May 30th, 2005, 03:00 PM
If someone makes a stupid ignorant remark I point it out to 'm, no matter where the thread is about.

I already expected the predictable reactions I would get from some of the Dubai forumers, and frankly I don't give a flying fuck. Sometimes the reactions are so predictable it's actually amusing. And besides, it's not a shame to learn some more stuff next to how great the skyscrapers of Dubai are...

@ AltinD

Yeah I have, and if you paid some more attention you saw I did. But those were reactions which didn't show a blind and complete admiration for Dubai, so you probably don't count them.

Didn't mean to hijack the thread, only wanted to point out that claiming Spain's history is Islamic and not Spanish is plain ignorant...

blackforest
May 30th, 2005, 04:00 PM
Fair enough, but I thought that the universal defination of a block was the same to everyone.
This topic was started by me to highlight one small piece of dubai aproximatly 300m x 150m that will have the tallest collection of towers in such a small place anywhere on earth.
No one can dispute that a 400m, 3 x 300m and 6 x 200m plus towers is amazing for such a small piece of land.
Its not about density, its not aboput what time the city closes at night, its not about bulldozer girl having a bash at Dubai AGAIN, its simply about highlighting something special.
Why is it on every thread in every forum people have to start bashing a place, wether it be Dubai or China or anywhere.
This forum is for the shearing of ideas and facts and its as simple as that.
Why does everyone feel the need to compare something to somewhere else like its a compotition.
PLEASE STICK TO THE THREAD TOPIC

Well said.

But talking about the tallest block will lead to comparisons elsewhere and some people start talking about their own cities. You will also be bashed for saying that Dubai has the tallest block or is planning the tallest block, but you shouldn't bash in return, you should clarify how it is so without the exclamation marks and trashing.

I'm not trying to pick on anyone, but as any non-Dubai forumer will also testify, a lot of these threads end up in bashing, whether or not I was present. I haven't been contributing to international threads for months. Also, stop telling people that they're just jealous. I hate that comment. Just because someone doesn't like something it doesn't mean he's jealous. I'm a citizen of Dubai and this tallest block is actually only a block away from my home. But I don't really like it. Am I jealous of my own city? Am I backward or something? I think it looks fake and tacky and it's silly to be building an entire city from scratch. I also think there will be an abundance of empty offices and apartments.

But if it's the tallest, then it's the tallest. I don't know much about numbers and international figures, so I will believe it until it's proven otherwise.

malec
May 30th, 2005, 05:05 PM
Actually I don't think it'd be too hard to fill up because those tower may be tall but they're not very large in terms of space. Most of them are quite thin and have huge spires too. The marina isn't tacky at all imo. What is is the world project but we won't go into that or else we'll upset the thread ;)

juiced
May 30th, 2005, 05:29 PM
I think the "Rio De Jumeirah" project to turn the coastline in Jumeirah and Umm Suqeim in Dubai into something like the Palm Strip has a a very tacky name

StevenW
May 30th, 2005, 05:36 PM
Fair enough, but I thought that the universal defination of a block was the same to everyone.
This topic was started by me to highlight one small piece of dubai aproximatly 300m x 150m that will have the tallest collection of towers in such a small place anywhere on earth.
No one can dispute that a 400m, 3 x 300m and 6 x 200m plus towers is amazing for such a small piece of land.
Its not about density, its not aboput what time the city closes at night, its not about bulldozer girl having a bash at Dubai AGAIN, its simply about highlighting something special.
Why is it on every thread in every forum people have to start bashing a place, wether it be Dubai or China or anywhere.
This forum is for the shearing of ideas and facts and its as simple as that.
Why does everyone feel the need to compare something to somewhere else like its a compotition.
PLEASE STICK TO THE THREAD TOPIC

Well, with out a doubt, Dubai is very hot now in terms of awesome super tall towers. It's skyline, so far is long and not clustered. I think most people are used to clustered "blocks" rather than lengthy skylines. Both are nice, though.
So maybe you should ask, concerning long skylines thus far, which place has the tallest? Then, to be fair to most other cities of the world, ask, "What city has the tallest 20 or so towers in a cluster/setting/4 square blocks/whatever?"
You know?
But, obviously Dubai is a great place for all of us skyscraper junkies to be happy about. :)
A city like my hometown, Baltimore, Maryland, USA., has a much, much shorter skyline, but it's very dense. I wish it had a few of those awesome supertalls that are going up in Dubai. :)

malec
May 30th, 2005, 05:36 PM
I think the "Rio De Jumeirah" project to turn the coastline in Jumeirah and Umm Suqeim in Dubai into something like the Palm Strip has a a very tacky name

I thought that projects was just BS made up by you guys. They better not name that though cos then it would be the tackiest of all tackiness :ohno:

AltinD
May 30th, 2005, 06:48 PM
Well, with out a doubt, Dubai is very hot now in terms of awesome super tall towers. It's skyline, so far is long and not clustered. I think most people are used to clustered "blocks" rather than lengthy skylines. Both are nice, though.
So maybe you should ask, concerning long skylines thus far, which place has the tallest? Then, to be fair to most other cities of the world, ask, "What city has the tallest 20 or so towers in a cluster/setting/4 square blocks/whatever?"
You know?
But, obviously Dubai is a great place for all of us skyscraper junkies to be happy about. :)
A city like my hometown, Baltimore, Maryland, USA., has a much, much shorter skyline, but it's very dense. I wish it had a few of those awesome supertalls that are going up in Dubai. :)

We are actually talking about a cluster of towers and not the the lengthy skyline of Shaikh Zayed Road.

Please check the earlier pages for maps and pictures of the cluster under discussion.

AltinD
May 30th, 2005, 07:15 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v705/altind/DubaiMarinaMap1.jpg


A1 - Al Marsa Tower, 59st 254m/833ft
A2 - Emirates Crown, 64st 220m/722ft
A3 - Princess Tower, 90st 340m/1,115ft
A4 - Le Reve, 46st 200m/656ft
A5 - Al Najd Tower, 82st height unknown but definitelly 300m + / 1,000ft +
A6 - Marina Crown, 53st 207m/679ft
A7 - Ocean Heights, 82st 310m/1,017ft
A8 - No. 1 Dubai Marina, 50st 210m/689ft
Bi - The Torch, 80st 345m/1,132ft
B2 - Marina Pinacle, 67st 260m/853ft
B3 - ???
B4 - ???
B5 - ???
B6 - Al Seef Tower, 45st 215m/705ft
C1 - Marina Heights, 54st 208m/682ft
C2 - Mag 218 Tower, 66st ?m/?ft
C3 - ???
C4 - ???
C5 - 23 Marina Tower, 90st 380m/1,247ft


The 110 floors tower should be located on the unmarked plots on the botom.


Overview of the aerea:

April 6th, (by Tom_Green) (from left - right: Al Marsa, Le Reve, Marina Crown, No.1 Marina, Al Seef & Marina Heights)

http://tinypic.com/4jtf6t


Same aerea on May 8th :

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v705/altind/Picture023.jpg


Picture (Tom_Green) of an wider aerea, including Grosvenor House (211 m) on the left and Murjan & Musk Towers (185 m) on the right.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v705/altind/4l3ccy1.jpg


An aerial of the aerea from the forum member soennecken:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v302/seonnecken/DM1.jpg


Please note that on the aerial picture, we are talking about the cluster on the left and please don't start talking about the empty desert. Everything is under construction and this aerea is 30 km from the city center.

Renders available on the first page of this thread.

Every tower has his own thread on the "Dubai Marina section of the UAE forum: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=577

lyonsdown
May 30th, 2005, 07:29 PM
Well it still just looks like a load of towers stuck in the middle of the desert to me. Fair enough they are tall but I still don't see why people would want to live/holiday in them. Dubai is far too hot in the summer for Europeans to be comfortable.

AltinD
May 30th, 2005, 08:14 PM
^

How hot is Ibiza in the summer?

Who said that Dubai tries to attract holidaymakers only during the summer?

Why wouldn't people want to live on them? They aren't stuck in the middle of the desert. You see desert becouse it is a very wide aereal shot and you can't see everything that is going on there.

Afterall, most of the tourists who stays on the hotels overthere, are British, and so are alot of people who have bought apartments in there.

eljash
May 30th, 2005, 08:42 PM
http://www.chiplife.republika.pl/Anim-chiplife.gif
spirit of the wheels
the wheel is the CHIPLIFE
word spirit it's information

http://www.rozmowy.all.pl/index.php?option=displaypage&amp;Itemid=100&amp;op=page&amp;SubMenu=

dazz
May 30th, 2005, 08:56 PM
Well it still just looks like a load of towers stuck in the middle of the desert to me. Fair enough they are tall but I still don't see why people would want to live/holiday in them. Dubai is far too hot in the summer for Europeans to be comfortable.

ever heard of winter?

lyonsdown
May 30th, 2005, 09:08 PM
OK I agree that the winter is better temperature wise but most Europeans don't take very long foreign holidays during the winter as it's Christmas so most tend to spend the time with family rather than going abroad.

StevenW
May 30th, 2005, 11:06 PM
I mean no disrespect, but, can you really call that a cluster? I count 9 tall buildings there in the left side of that skyline. And they are still pretty spread out. So, if those buildings are the ones you want represented, then there are many other cities that have taller clusters.
And please don't get me wrong, those towers are very impressive and nice to look at. :) But, Hong-Kong, New York City, Shanghi are citires that come to my mind first that probably beat that cluster in Dubai, IMO.
What this may really have to come down to is picking your, "clustered" towers you want, adding up how many there are, and finally averaging out the height. Then compare that exact many towers in other cities, (where their towers are the tallest and clustered together the most), then average them out. It's pretty easy math, really. I'm just too lazy to do it. Sorry. ;)
I wish someone would do that. That should end all speculation then. :)

StevenW
May 30th, 2005, 11:11 PM
Besides, some people think it an insult to their city they love if others spout off opinions and jargin about it without any mathematical facts to back up what they are saying. :) I like exact numbers. :D

malec
May 30th, 2005, 11:13 PM
As I already said, I find the place with SWFC in Shanghai to be the tallest. In the future there will probably be 3 400+m towers and a few 300m

StevenW
May 30th, 2005, 11:34 PM
As I already said, I find the place with SWFC in Shanghai to be the tallest. In the future there will probably be 3 400+m towers and a few 300m
:eek2: WHOA! Unbelievable! WINNER! Shanghai! Easily.

Here is a few New York City pictures. I'm not sure how old they are, but keep in mind the 4 or 5 towers that are going up there that are 945 ft. tall and higher!

http://api.corbis.com/wscorbisone/fulfillment/CB057398.jpg?imageuid=f34a3448-9432-4225-b6f3-1bd398b2a35d&sizecode=572&flavor=Watermark&sessionuid=02d88fcb-627f-4845-8539-899688973ade&estok=Y6OcceKs0J8%2bXlTUNrdU3v5OCQoWQdTzy%2fPbxN4H%2fqhvQxgNtagRYtUbA0f%2bjWPb8LR6YrFPw%2blqNd8nG5lNMpFPH7LC9MiAv0HEQit3i0zpA4H%2bBZFSTysl5cWMHgh3HDq6lpZWgqgKcGTKb8%2btngWh97kYxzmqt475H8zM9LA%3d

and...

http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=view+from+empire+state+building/v=2/SID=e/l=IVI/SIG=159ec4hhv/EXP=1117575145/*-http%3A//www.zavaj.com/pictures/ny_trip_xmas_2001/Empire%20State%20Building/empire%20state%20building%20-%20view%20of%20manhattan%20from%20roof%209.jpg

and...

http://api.corbis.com/wscorbisone/fulfillment/CB066450.jpg?imageuid=b7849756-1f56-412a-ad9b-75d8fb133cb9&sizecode=572&flavor=Watermark&sessionuid=348e6d1a-ef6a-4ebb-a7fb-6a24ed2eab59&estok=Y6OcceKs0J8%2bXlTUNrdU3v5OCQoWQdTzy%2fPbxN4H%2fqhvQxgNtagRYtUbA0f%2bjWPb8LR6YrFPw%2blqNd8nG5lNMpFPH7LC9MiAv0HEQit3i0zpA4H%2bBZFSTysl5cWMHgh3HDq6lpZWgqgKcGTKb8%2btngWh97kYxzmqt475H8zM9LA%3d

and...

http://www.payphone-project.com/stories/esb/empire_state_building_04.jpg

and check out this site: http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=view+from+empire+state+building/v=2/SID=e/l=IVR/SIG=122aqa2ob/EXP=1117575192/*-http%3A//adam.physd.amu.edu.pl/~marcin/USA26.htm

Anyone care to put some Shanghai pics up? :D

StevenW
May 31st, 2005, 12:20 AM
Even Chicago:

http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=Chicago+skyscrapers/v=2/SID=e/l=IVI/SIG=12hokn7t6/EXP=1117576888/*-http%3A//www.ee.ucla.edu/~somdeb/images/Chicago/chicago0032.JPG

http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=Downtown+Chicago/v=2/SID=e/l=IVI/SIG=11ume0f02/EXP=1117577470/*-http%3A//www.sans.org/greatlakes/chicago.gif

http://www.bordneraerials.com/images/pic014.jpg

and don't forget that there is the Trump tower being built well over 1,100 ft. tall, plus plenty other towers 800 ft. to 950 ft. tall going up. :)

StevenW
May 31st, 2005, 12:27 AM
Hong Kong:

http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=Downtown+Hong+Kong/v=2/SID=e/l=IVI/SIG=12cq0kkma/EXP=1117577973/*-http%3A//web.mit.edu/chinatrip/sp99/images/hk_downtown.jpg

http://web.mit.edu/chinatrip/sp99/images/hk_victoria_harbor.jpg

http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=Downtown+Hong+Kong/v=2/SID=e/l=IVI/SIG=126m1jad7/EXP=1117577932/*-http%3A//www.peat.org/images/big-hong-kong-night.jpg

StevenW
May 31st, 2005, 12:35 AM
Shanghai:

http://www.skyscraperpicture.com/shanghai51.jpg

http://www.skyscraperpicture.com/shanghai21.jpg

thi one is pretty. :)
http://www.skyscraperpicture.com/shanghai04.jpg

malec
May 31st, 2005, 12:41 AM
In the future
http://photo.gznet.com/photos/1475308/1475308-1IQKKKS2AI.jpg

http://photo.gznet.com/photos/1475308/1475308-P8ardG6sLJ.jpg

http://photo.gznet.com/photos/1475308/1475308-eSa4kAanOh.jpg

CrazyCanuck
May 31st, 2005, 12:41 AM
I'm not sure if its the tallest, but Toronto's downtwon core at King and Bay streets is pretty tall. Here is a real block.
http://drakkar.imag.fr/~rousseau/photos/Toronto.jpg

StevenW
May 31st, 2005, 12:45 AM
Dubai:

http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=Dubai+skyscrapers/v=2/SID=e/l=IVI/SIG=12700a5jb/EXP=1117578758/*-http%3A//www.jludwick.com/Notes/Dubai/Skyscrapers.JPG
or... http://www.jludwick.com/Notes/Dubai/Skyscrapers.JPG

http://travel.u.nu/pic/ae/2829.jpg

http://www.dubai-fotos.de/assets/images/109.jpg

Check out this link: http://www.dubai-fotos.de/html/zayed2.html

StevenW
May 31st, 2005, 12:48 AM
OMG! This is INSANE! http://photo.gznet.com/photos/1475308/1475308-eSa4kAanOh.jpg

:eek2:

StevenW
May 31st, 2005, 12:53 AM
Dubai:

http://www.royalpark.ru/photo/dubai/dubai_2.jpg

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1380000/images/_1382741_dubai_bbc_300.jpg

StevenW
May 31st, 2005, 12:59 AM
Tokyo:

http://www.dhlemke.com/sitebuilder/images/Tokyo_Skyline-391x257.jpg

StevenW
May 31st, 2005, 01:10 AM
Singapore:

http://www.candybox.ca/asia2003/images/singapore_skyscrapers.jpg

StevenW
May 31st, 2005, 01:11 AM
Chicago:

http://www.op97.k12.il.us/lab/f&f/tourism/chicago/images/skyscrapers_chicago.jpg

StevenW
May 31st, 2005, 01:15 AM
Osaka:

http://www.jpatokal.iki.fi/photo/travel/Japan/Kansai/Osaka/Skyline_Skyscrapers_Large.JPG

malec
May 31st, 2005, 01:16 AM
Dubai:

http://www.royalpark.ru/photo/dubai/dubai_2.jpg

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1380000/images/_1382741_dubai_bbc_300.jpg

They're pretty old pics though. Chelsea tower isn't nearly finished there. You should take that picture in 5 years time from the same place and see how it compares ;)

malec
May 31st, 2005, 01:19 AM
Dubai:



http://travel.u.nu/pic/ae/2829.jpg


Now I can see why they complain about the traffic in Dubai. Well, at least you'll have the burj dubai to look up at when you're stuck in traffic jams:hahaha: :hahaha:

DUBAI
May 31st, 2005, 01:22 AM
ok, this is what i would count as the block we are talking about in dubai.


http://img252.echo.cx/img252/9021/untitled8jk.jpg
[thanks to sonneken, i masked his pic]

ok, on this this block will be:

23 Marina ===== 90 floors, 380 metres
Al Seef Tower== 45 floors, 215 metres
Le Reve=======46 floors, 200 metres
Mag 218 Tower= 66 floors
Marina Crown== 53 floors, 207 metres
Marina Pinnacle= 67 floors, 260 metres
Najd Tower ====75 floors
Number One Dubai Marina= 50 floors, 210 metres
Ocean Heights ======== 82 floors, 310 metres


these are the towers we know about, and there is a little room for a few more i think.
btw, i can see that they are not under construction, this is about the future, not now!

StevenW
May 31st, 2005, 01:31 AM
ok, this is what i would count as the block we are talking about in dubai.


http://img252.echo.cx/img252/9021/untitled8jk.jpg
[thanks to sonneken, i masked his pic]

ok, on this this block will be:

23 Marina ===== 90 floors, 380 metres
Al Seef Tower== 45 floors, 215 metres
Le Reve=======46 floors, 200 metres
Mag 218 Tower= 66 floors
Marina Crown== 53 floors, 207 metres
Marina Pinnacle= 67 floors, 260 metres
Najd Tower ====75 floors
Number One Dubai Marina= 50 floors, 210 metres
Ocean Heights ======== 82 floors, 310 metres


these are the towers we know about, and there is a little room for a few more i think.
btw, i can see that they are not under construction, this is about the future, not now!

Well, I do hope those towers are built. I'd like to see what they will look like when all is finished.
Perhaps that is what most of the confusion/fuss is all about. I was trying to find this cluster, (dummy me :bash: ), and it hasn't even been built yet.
Oh yeah, it will be awesome to see all the other towers built all around the world when these Dubai towers are complete. ;)

Gendo
May 31st, 2005, 09:38 AM
Technically I think the tallest block on the planet might be Conde Nast and 1 Bryant Park when it is finished. Two 1,000+ footers on one block.

If someone can show me any two buildings sharing one city block that is or will soon be taller than those two, I'll shut up.

SA BOY
May 31st, 2005, 09:38 AM
1 is complete
6 are U/C and
2 are approved but yet to break ground

malec
May 31st, 2005, 10:32 AM
23 Marina ===== 90 floors, 380 metres
Najd Tower ====75 floors definitely 300m +
Ocean Heights ======== 82 floors, 310 metres

I don't think in feet but I know that 1000ft = a bit less than 300m so that's 3 1000ft towers in the same block

dubaiflo
May 31st, 2005, 12:54 PM
ok, this is what i would count as the block we are talking about in dubai.


http://img252.echo.cx/img252/9021/untitled8jk.jpg
[thanks to sonneken, i masked his pic]

ok, on this this block will be:

23 Marina ===== 90 floors, 380 metres
Al Seef Tower== 45 floors, 215 metres
Le Reve=======46 floors, 200 metres
Mag 218 Tower= 66 floors
Marina Crown== 53 floors, 207 metres
Marina Pinnacle= 67 floors, 260 metres
Najd Tower ====75 floors
Number One Dubai Marina= 50 floors, 210 metres
Ocean Heights ======== 82 floors, 310 metres


these are the towers we know about, and there is a little room for a few more i think.
btw, i can see that they are not under construction, this is about the future, not now!

good you made this DUBAI, but we have to decide now if we talk about that area above, which definetely is a "block" or we talk about that block, plus that 5 towers coming up more right, however ,those are on the other side of a street running through this area, which means they are actually not part of the Block.
what Sa boy was talking about when opening this thread, is the "block" and the other part with the other 5 towers. He meant just the area with 350m x 100m or whatever it is, e.g, the block + the 5 towers next to the marina.

DUBAI
June 1st, 2005, 07:06 AM
a quote from an article on BBC news: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4591013.stm

The city is home to some of the most ambitious buildings in the world. The tallest tower block is being built there and it is home to the world's first seven-star hotel.

dubaiflo
June 1st, 2005, 03:23 PM
not bad, they are pretty good informed. but perhaps they refer to burj dubai, though i doubt it actually.

Koi
June 4th, 2005, 02:01 AM
Those buildings in the Dubai Marina doesn't look like 200m+ tall.

SA BOY
June 4th, 2005, 12:41 PM
believe me when you stand next to them they look taller

New York Yankee
June 4th, 2005, 12:50 PM
wow, 90 floors of a tower in the dubai marina!

AltinD
June 5th, 2005, 12:39 AM
Those buildings in the Dubai Marina doesn't look like 200m+ tall.

Becouse the buildings next to them are also 200m+ tall and not just some 50m, as you're used to see.

larven
June 6th, 2005, 09:04 PM
Had a bit of a doodle on this one as all these buildings together sound awesome. With credit to Sonnekens fantastice aerial of the marina.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v478/larven/marina.jpg

Dubai-Lover
June 6th, 2005, 09:19 PM
nicely done :)

please make sure to add the 340m princess tower in there :)
the 380m 23 marina tower is missing as well!

can you do this for us?

larven
June 6th, 2005, 09:27 PM
yes I will but I don't think I can add the 23 Marina as it is just to the left of where the photo is.

malec
June 6th, 2005, 09:51 PM
Wow that looks great. It's kinda strange now seeing those gigantic towers next to sand but once the whole marina is completed and jlt in the back...

Sexas
June 7th, 2005, 02:44 AM
...but I still see empty land...umm

SA BOY
June 7th, 2005, 06:34 AM
yes I will but I don't think I can add the 23 Marina as it is just to the left of where the photo is.
23 marina will be just to the left of the tower withe the pyramid top.and princess will be in front of the torch.
also missing is the MAG 218 tower at 66F which is behind Najad tower.
Other than that its a great effort showing the towers in a row. Its going to be quite a site seeing so many 200m + and 300m+ towers in a row.
and sexas what has the empty land got to do with the wall of towers?

Jasonhouse
June 7th, 2005, 06:50 AM
I don't know why I didn't notice this thread before...But in any case...

This thread does not belong in News and Developments, since it is not announcing any new project, but is rather a discussion about another topic all together (which city block in the world has the tallest collection of buildings). The News and Development forum is for the announcement and discussion of new highrise projects, just as its description and 'readme' thread state.

Thus, I have placed this thread in 'Citytalk', where it belongs. :)

ENDOPHINS
June 7th, 2005, 02:28 PM
Had a bit of a doodle on this one as all these buildings together sound awesome. With credit to Sonnekens fantastice aerial of the marina.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v478/larven/marina.jpg

Wow awsome development in Dubai!

But all these towers would look much nicer if they're not tightly packed in one block.. :)

larven
June 7th, 2005, 02:46 PM
Princess, Mag 218 and 23 Marina added.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v478/larven/block.jpg

dubaiflo
June 7th, 2005, 03:53 PM
.... what shall i say...
this gonna be insane...
don't forget that marina pinnacle ,260m and the marina heights,208m are missing.
or actually they are not missing but they cannot be seen because of najd tower is in the line ;)

Dubai_Boy
June 7th, 2005, 04:11 PM
Larven lestin to me , Hey i`m talking to you , lestin up


Y O U ..... A R E .... T A L E N T E D

rocky
June 7th, 2005, 04:29 PM
this is awesome, but i say it again, WHO is going to work/ live here? do you have 500.000 people more every year in that city or what?


honestly it reminds me tintin album when he goest to USSR when theires fake factories here to impress journalists

larven
June 7th, 2005, 04:30 PM
Thanks :)

BIGGER.....!!

http://img234.echo.cx/img234/2424/block19rd.jpg

Dubai_Boy
June 7th, 2005, 04:34 PM
WOWYYYYYYYYYYYY mashalah :) thx again

Rocky , no , not half a million people , closer to quarter of a million move to Dubai each year ;)

rocky
June 7th, 2005, 04:37 PM
anyway thats cool, dubai is the best thing that could ever happen to the arab world.

dubaiflo
June 7th, 2005, 04:51 PM
do you have 500.000 people more every year in that city or what?

like dubai boy said, almost.

the marina will have up to 70.000 residents btw.
every project which is released is even sold out.

rantanamo
June 7th, 2005, 05:01 PM
what are they moving there for?

AltinD
June 7th, 2005, 05:27 PM
what are they moving there for?

Why did they moved to Florida decades ago? Afterall it was just a stinking swamp before.

malec
June 7th, 2005, 05:35 PM
what are they moving there for?

Well, there are lots of job oppertunities there, have no taxes and probably loads of other reasons aswell.

BTW that's some kickass pic :D:

rocky
June 7th, 2005, 05:38 PM
where they coming from???? UAE country side ? USA? IRAK ? IRAN ? SAUDI? JAPAN? INDIA ?

zergling
June 7th, 2005, 07:44 PM
Not sure if anyone posted this, but this is a rendering of future pudong I once saw:
http://individual.utoronto.ca/jimmyhuang/blog/pic/pd.jpg

AltinD
June 7th, 2005, 07:44 PM
Thanks :)

BIGGER.....!!

http://img234.echo.cx/img234/2424/block19rd.jpg