Minneapolis Sucks!!

[twincities03]

Okay. Share your thoughts with the group.

I would pick living in a town like Colorado Springs anyday over a city like Minneapolis.
The religious organizations and the environment they promote is the reason why Colorado Springs crime rate is very low, Minneapolis culture of greed is what causes massive income disparities and a lack of oppurtunity for the non-elites which is why Minneapolis has a 95 murders in one year in the 1990's and 3 times as many auto thefts per capita.


It's a real nice city, but it's ugly during the winter, and there are much dreamier similar cities, like San Diego, Seattle, Raleigh-Durham, Boston, etc. Plus, Minneapolis doesn't really have culture...

Still, if you can handle the winter it's an awesome city, I suppose.

Please let us know how you all feel.

[KM1410]

denvernative1982's brother? :lol:

[twincities03]

^ LOL!

There are a few things I hate. For example, liquor stores close at 8pm during the week and they aren't even open on Sundays. If I'm hard up, I have to drive to Wisconsin for beer.

[MinneapolisGuy]

They are quite possible the most annoying new fourmers. Badger thinks the sun never sets on the Madison Empire and Denvernative is a moroon-jackass. But who am I to judge? I live in Minneapolis with all of billionaire friends making life hard for the average person so they have to enter a life of crime to pay the bills.

[twincities03]

^ There's gotta be something that pisses you off about the city or people.

[Toggie]

that murder comment is VERY ironic
http://www.walterindenver.com/archives/001030.html

[SChristopher]

HAHAHAH I am still laughing at the newest addition to your signature. I cant name anything right now that sucks about Minneapolis, but I dont live there... I can say that comparing it with a small town is rediculous as we all probably know and some people have a good deal to learn, *sigh*.

[MrMN]

Instead of any tenable points made, all I detect from the original quotes are just ignorant animosity. A shame really; some people seem to just thrive on igniting conflict. :tongue4:

[EastSider]

Someone created a thread to rip on other forumers...and you're making fun of them?

By the way I love Minneapolis, great city.

[twincities03]

Instead of any tenable points made, all I detect from the original quotes are just ignorant animosity. A shame really; some people seem to just thrive on igniting conflict. :tongue4:

Well, some who have or currently do live in Minneapolis might share the same feelings as the two morons I quoted. However, it's their opinions and experiences I want to read about. I dont' think there's anything wrong with constructive criticism.

[chicagogeorge]

I've personally heard nice things about Minneapolis. You seriously can't get liquor on Sunday? WTF??

[KM1410]

I've personally heard nice things about Minneapolis. You seriously can't get liquor on Sunday? WTF??

yeah, liquor stores arent open on sundays in Indiana either. But atleast our bars are allowed to be open til 3 AM :)

[twincities03]

Someone created a thread to rip on other forumers...and you're making fun of them?

By the way I love Minneapolis, great city.

My intention wasn't to rip on others. I honestly want to read others' opinions. Lets face it, we read and hear nothing but good things about Minneapolis. Now it's time to rip her apart. It's a good way of getting to know the city's issues.

[twincities03]

yeah, liquor stores arent open on sundays in Indiana either. But atleast our bars are allowed to be open til 3 AM :)

We finally got a 2:00am bar time about two years ago.

[SChristopher]

WOW bars are even open till 2 in Salt Lake! They have a cut off time though ... :(

[EastSider]

My intention wasn't to rip on others. I honestly want to read others' opinions. Lets face it, we read and hear nothing but good things about Minneapolis. Now it's time to rip her apart. It's a good way of getting to know the city's issues.

I respect that.

[KM1410]

WOW bars are even open till 2 in Salt Lake! They have a cut off time though ... :(

yeah, but dont they only serve watered down beer?

[SChristopher]

^^ 3.2% I think...any real beer has to be purchased at a state liquor store...I think at bars though they have the real thing, but you have to sit in an enclosed plexiglass cage and drink lol , you cant go on the dance floor with it (in 18+ bars). Another oddity, Ohio has full liquor selection in grocery stores...but everything is watered to 21% LOL what is the point...I wonder where it comes from and how companies feel about watering it down and what other states are like that. I know LA has full liquor (or used to) in all the groceries ... .. LOL sorry to get off topic, if there was one :)

[milehi]

I freely admit that Minne is a better city than the Springs, but I would still prefer to live in Colorado Springs. I far prefer Colorado to Minnesota. And Colorado Springs has a much larger Military and DoD defense presence than almost anywhere else in the US. Better weather and scenery. Better job market for folks with a clearance. Not sure, but I think the Springs has a higher average salary per person. About the same for college degrees. It does sprawl bad though (Colorado Springs).

[SChristopher]

:lol: toooo much hahahhhahahah

[milehi]

Care to disprove anything that I posted?

[twincities03]

I freely admit that Minne is a better city than the Springs, but I would still prefer to live in Colorado Springs. I far prefer Colorado to Minnesota. And Colorado Springs has a much larger Military and DoD defense presence than almost anywhere else in the US. Better weather and scenery. Better job market for folks with a clearance. Not sure, but I think the Springs has a higher average salary per person. About the same for college degrees. It does sprawl bad though (Colorado Springs).

Good for you. People have different preferences. If I were to move back to Colorado, it wouldn't be to Colorado Springs.

So, back to the topic.

[MinneapolisGuy]

If there were one thing about Minneapolis that I don't like, it would be the endless committees and public fourms that meet before a major project can begin. I wish we had more of the Chicago spirit and just got the job done, no questions asked. If you don't like it, TS.

[MiniAppleMania]

"Plus, Minneapolis doesn't really have culture..."

I'm really surprised no one has argued that. Especially with the "Minneapolis has more theaters per capita than any other city in North America outside NYC" fact and the renowned Guthrie Theater (building a new state-of-the-art center, no less), the Walker Art Center expansion project, a new central library in 2006, plus the Children's Theater Company (#1 in the country according to TIME).

[Suburbanite]

Colorado Springs has... Better weather .

And the award for the most idiotic comment of the year goes too...


It seems to me that Minneapolis and CS are about the same in weather conditions.

[bmc343]

Wow what a stupid comment. I go to school in Colorado right now. I am from Minneapolis. I thought I would like Colorado, turns out it sucks and everytime I go home I am struck with how awesome Minneapolis is. Minneapolis is the most underrated city of all time. The people are educated and fun, crime is low, and we have culture everywhere. To me, Minneapolis is the greatest place to live on earth.

[flatiron94]

Minneapolis Rules!!!!

[i_am_hydrogen]

I like Minneapolis and hope the best for it. But the liquor stores close at 8pm? That's just crazy.

[Mplsuptown]

8pm really? My liquor store must be operating illegally.

[i_am_hydrogen]

^ Someone said that they closed at 8 earlier.

[Azn_chi_boi]

Minnepolis is more diverse that Springs, hell even ST paul is more diverse.

[flatiron94]

Originally Posted by Badgers77
It's a real nice city, but it's ugly during the winter, and there are much dreamier similar cities, like San Diego, Seattle, Raleigh-Durham, Boston, etc. Plus, Minneapolis doesn't really have culture...

Still, if you can handle the winter it's an awesome city, I suppose.
And pretty much everybody in minneapolis/st paul can handle it. I know I can.

[denvernative1982]

Minneapolis does not suck. But lets be honest, it is once again a very boring town. The whole thing is just so suburban. 6 blocks from the Nicollet Mall feels like suburbs already.

It seems like except for cedar-riverside once youve met one person in Minneapolis, they all seem the same

[KM1410]

Minneapolis does not suck. But lets be honest, it is once again a very boring town. The whole thing is just so suburban. 6 blocks from the Nicollet Mall feels like suburbs already.

It seems like except for cedar-riverside once youve met one person in Minneapolis, they all seem the same


LOL!!! You're in love with Colorado Springs, yet Minneapolis is boring and suburban to you? wow.

[Badgers77]

I don't think what I said is bad. Every city is ugly during the winter.

Minneapolis is a midwestern town. Nightlife wise, it feels like a conservative-with-money midwestern town. Chicago is the only exception.

[gaviidae]

Minneapolis does not suck. But lets be honest, it is once again a very boring town. The whole thing is just so suburban. 6 blocks from the Nicollet Mall feels like suburbs already.

It seems like except for cedar-riverside once youve met one person in Minneapolis, they all seem the same

Let me guess, you drove out from downtown once on I-394 and made all your generalizations from the vantage point in a car?

Based on almost everything I have seen you post, you know virtually nothing about Minneapolis.

[SChristopher]

" Every city is ugly during the winter."

If you think that maybe you should move :)

[Badgers77]

Winter is pretty at first. Then it's leafless trees, brown slush, grey skies on the backdrop...

[Jasonhouse]

Someone here please, explain to me how the rules here suddenly ceased to exist.

Because honestly, that's the only way this thread exists and people aren't Brigged.

[twincities03]

Minneapolis does not suck. But lets be honest, it is once again a very boring town. The whole thing is just so suburban. 6 blocks from the Nicollet Mall feels like suburbs already.

Let me guess Colorado Springs and Columbus are more exciting.


It seems like except for cedar-riverside once youve met one person in Minneapolis, they all seem the same

LOL! Yes everyone in Minneapolis-St. Paul seem the same. Say that to those living in north Minneapolis, or those living in Frogtown, or West St. Paul, or along Lake Street. It's obvious that you've never experienced Minneapolis or St. Paul so please give it up already. I can't believe the mods haven't put an end to your constant b.s. Everytime you state something, you're proven wrong. When are you going to stop?

Your ignorance was funny for awhile, but now it's getting annoying.

[denvernative1982]

Frogtown is Hmong, Cedar-Riverside is Somali. Every middle sized and large city has a large group of refugees from a particular country.

I did not start this threat, I even admit Minneapolis has an excellent economy.

But lets be honest, this Mini-apple phrase implying that Minneapolis is the like New York City is just plain silly. Minneapolis is not New York. Minneapolis is just like an Indianapolis that happens to have a very good job market.

Remember, I live in Minnesota so I have spent time in the Twin Cities, St. Cloud and an Moorhead

[luv2bebrown]

i could give a list of reasons why i think minneapolis sucks
but i dont want to be that hated.

[denvernative1982]

LOL!!! You're in love with Colorado Springs, yet Minneapolis is boring and suburban to you? wow.

I will admit Minneapolis is much more urban feeling that Colorado Springs Colorado Springs though is a much better value when going out to a restaurant or a bar however and the patrons are much, much social than in say the warehouse district in Minneapolis.

I would rather than spend the day at a Colorado Springs conservative organization like Focus on the Family over any district of Minneapolis any day of the week.

I am absolutely in love with my birth town Colorado Springs, its a model of a utopian almost, but not quite society. Lincoln is the midwesterns example of a near utopian city.

Colorado Springs is more much more progressive than Minneapolis on political issues. Its just the northside of town, that gives Colorado Springs a conservative, boring reputation. In fact Central and Western Colorado Springs is in my opinion an almost utopian society: very little crime, friendly people, pedestrian friendly streets and tons of quaint shops where you can count on an excellent value that you wont find any where else .

BTW, Colorado Springs has had one homicide this year and the city has almost 400,000 people.

[luv2bebrown]

colorado springs sounds nice and utopian, but mundane and boring as hell!

[gaviidae]

Colorado Springs is more much more progressive than Minneapolis on political issues.


I highly doubt that.

Face it, there are a multitude of people both here in the midwest forum and the United States forum that have called you on your nonsense. It's one thing to know what you're talking about, and it's another to pull made-up facts out of your ass. Minneapolis is about as conservative as Colorado Springs is a "utopian" society. For christ sake.

I don't think you're a moron, what I do think is that you like to stir up the pot. A lot of us are frankly tired of it.

[Accura4Matalan]

Silly thread. Minneapolis is IMO the best city in the US.

[denvernative1982]

I highly doubt that.

Face it, there are a multitude of people both here in the midwest forum and the United States forum that have called you on your nonsense. It's one thing to know what you're talking about, and it's another to pull made-up facts out of your ass. Minneapolis is about as conservative as Colorado Springs is a "utopian" society. For christ sake.

I don't think you're a moron, what I do think is that you like to stir up the pot. A lot of us are frankly tired of it.

Nope, I will prove every statement I make. I am not attempting to stir the pot or boast my hometown more than you any body else boasts there's.

[twincities03]

Frogtown is Hmong, Cedar-Riverside is Somali. Every middle sized and large city has a large group of refugees from a particular country.

Frogtown isn't just Hmong and the Cedar-Riverside neighborhood is made up of Somali, Ethiopian, Mexican and other people of African descent. Again, you have no idea what you're talking about.

But lets be honest, this Mini-apple phrase implying that Minneapolis is the like New York City is just plain silly. Minneapolis is not New York. Minneapolis is just like an Indianapolis that happens to have a very good job market.

I've never read or heard about Minneapolis being like New York City. Only someone such as yourself would think that. Also, what makes you think Minneapolis is just like Indianapolis?

Remember, I live in Minnesota so I have spent time in the Twin Cities, St. Cloud and an Moorhead

You live in Minnesota. Good for you. Why don't you actually try spending some time in the Cities.

Colorado Springs though is a much better value when going out to a restaurant or a bar however and the patrons are much, much social than in say the warehouse district in Minneapolis.

I'll take the higher cost of Minneapolis over the "value" that a military, right-wing, hicktown such as Colorado Springs has to offer.

I would rather than spend the day at a Colorado Springs conservative organization like Focus on the Family over any district of Minneapolis any day of the week.

So not only are you a dumbass, you're a conservative dumbass. That explains everything.

I am absolutely in love with my birth town Colorado Springs, its a model of a utopian almost, but not quite society. Lincoln is the midwesterns example of a near utopian city.

:rofl:

Colorado Springs is more much more progressive than Minneapolis on political issues. Its just the northside of town, that gives Colorado Springs a conservative, boring reputation.

Prove it.

BTW, Colorado Springs has had one homicide this year and the city has almost 400,000 people.

And??

[twincities03]

Nope, I will prove every statement I make. I am not attempting to stir the pot or boast my hometown more than you any body else boasts there's.

You haven't been able to prove a damn thing you immature, sh*t.

[twincities03]

i could give a list of reasons why i think minneapolis sucks
but i dont want to be that hated.

Oh yeah. I remember some your comments about Minneapolis. You seem about as educated about the Minneapolis area as DenverRetard. I'm sure the two of you of would enjoy one anothers company.

[Rivernorth]

Originally Posted by denvernative1982
I would pick living in a town like Colorado Springs anyday over a city like Minneapolis.
The religious organizations and the environment they promote is the reason why Colorado Springs crime rate is very low, Minneapolis culture of greed is what causes massive income disparities and a lack of oppurtunity for the non-elites which is why Minneapolis has a 95 murders in one year in the 1990's and 3 times as many auto thefts per capita.

then i guess Chicago, New York, Los Angeles, San Fransisco, Boston, and Philadelphia must REALLY suck, eh? Pure suburban crap rhetoric, right there. then again, you ARE from Colorado Springs ;)

[Steely Dan]

just when you think that the bar for abject stupidity couldn't be lowered on this forum, a thread like this somehow manages to pop up.

will a mod or admin please put this retard festival out of its misery already?

if this thread still exists because the regular mods don't frequent this midwest subforum, i will gladly offer my services as a mod to keep crap like this out of here. i've been the midwest mod over at SSP for nearly 2 years now, and, without tooting my own horn too much, i'd say that Lmich and I have done a good job at keeping idiocy levels down over there.

[denvernative1982]

I proved it, I have been looking at these numbers the last 10 minutes.

Oh by the way, In Colorado Springs the community accomplished this and we dont have 20 fortune 500 companies like Minneapolis.

Colorado Springs elects primarily neighborhood activists for mayoral, council and commisioner positions. Minneapolis on the other hand elects aristocratic, blue bloods such as Mayor Rybak who get elected only to serve to Minneapolis corperations.



Percent of people with disability employed
-Minneapolis 59%
-St. Paul 55%
-Colorado Springs 61%

Note: I have ADD, this is personal. Colorado Springs believes in accomodating people with disabities, St. Paul obviously shuns people who were born differently abled, Minneapolis is a little better. I personally think bigotry against the disabled is the worst type of bigotry there is.


Child Poverty Rate
Minneapolis 30%
Colorado Springs 13%

Median African American Income
Minneapolis $25,338
Colorado Springs $37,410

Low Income Households
Minneapolis: 22%
Colorado Springs: 15%

Elderly Poverty
Minneapolis: 11%
Colorado Springs: 7%

Black Poverty
Minneapolis: 32%
Colorado Springs: 18%

Hispanic Poverty
Minneapolis 25%
Colorado Springs 17%

Poverty Rate
Minneapolis: 18%
Colorado Springs: 8%


Colorado Springs: 3 bedroom, 2 bathroom house 88,000 dollars built 2001 1100 square feet www.realtor.com. Remember, because most grocery stores are union in Colorado Springs are union the wage for checkers is around 15 dollars an hour which you can afford a 88,000 dollar house on being a checker wow hows that for progressive.


Sources: American Community survey, 2003
Brookings Institite living cities database

[Badgers77]

ADD is so overdiagnosed it's a joke. That can't be much lower than percent of people without disability employed. Plus, it's not a secret that Minneapolis isn't a good secret for minorities...

[sleepy]

Low Income Households
Minneapolis: 22%
Colorado Springs: 15%

I'd rather be poor in Minneapolis than poor in Colorado Springs.

[twincities03]

I proved it, I have been looking at these numbers the last 10 minutes.

What have you proved?

Percent of people with disability employed
-Minneapolis 59%
-St. Paul 55%
-Colorado Springs 61%

Note: I have ADD, this is personal. Colorado Springs believes in accomodating people with disabities, St. Paul obviously shuns people who were born differently abled, Minneapolis is a little better. I personally think bigotry against the disabled is the worst type of bigotry there is.

LOL! Everyone has ADD these days so, your excuse for being a dumbass doesn't fly.

BTW, everyone knows it's pointless trying to compare Colorado Springs to Minneapolis.

[luv2bebrown]

Oh yeah. I remember some your comments about Minneapolis. You seem about as educated about the Minneapolis area as DenverRetard. I'm sure the two of you of would enjoy one anothers company.


and you are quite happy living in your blissful ignorance.
minneapolis is great if u love golf, fishing, camping, climbing, hiking, biking.

but when it comes to urban culture, minneapolis has little to none. its a very quiet ghost town. people talk about how uptown and the warehouse district is great, when in reality those are quiet, dark areas of town with little life. remember, the people who think minneapolis is lively are the people who come from small hick towns in the suburbs and small towns of minnesota, from small towns in wisconsin, iowa and the dakotas. to them, minneapolis is a "big city" and if they see a building that is more than 3 stories tall, they somehow think they are in times square. i mean seriously, to someone who has grown up in brainerd, minneapolis is obviously going to seem like coruscant. but to a New Yorker, minneapolis is a nice quiet town where one can go to to get away from busy city life.

for minneapolis to get any better, its residents need to look past their illusions and realize how dull and dreary the city really is.

and to anybody who thinks colorado springs is in any way better than minneapolis, you need to stop throwing stones from a glass house.

[SChristopher]

To call Minneapolis some of the things it is being called is a bit of an exaggeration. Anyone from NYC wouldnt really look at another city and see it as 'as' urban as where they are from. However compared to so many cities in the US, Minneapolis is up there in the urbanity and things to do catagory.

[Markitect]

Also, what makes you think Minneapolis is just like Indianapolis?

Well...they both end in "-apolis."

[twincities03]

and you are quite happy living in your blissful ignorance.

How am I being ignorant for stating DenverNative is an idiot for trying to compare Colorado Springs to Minneapolis?

Also, I haven't read about or heard anyone say Minneapolis is some great urban city or that it can be compared to New York City. Nor have I heard anyone give props to Uptown and the warehouse district for being great urban neighborhoods. The areas attract two totally different types of people; people you probably have a hard time getting along with.

BTW, it's funny how you refer to me as ignorant and then go into a rant where you assume the only people who think Minneapolis is a lively city are from hickish parts of the upper midwest.

[Steely Dan]

BTW, it's funny how you refer to me as ignorant and then go into a rant where you assume the only people who think Minneapolis is a lively city are from hickish parts of the upper midwest.

i think minneapolis is a lively city, and i've lived in chicago my whole life, but i dunno, perhaps luv2bebrown considers chicago just another dakota farm town too. ;)

[luv2bebrown]

come on sharptent. do you really consider minneapolis to be as lively as chicago?

[luv2bebrown]

and anybody who thinks colorado springs beats minneapolis is smokin some serious dro

[Steely Dan]

come on sharptent. do you really consider minneapolis to be as lively as chicago?

no, i don't consider minneapolis to be as lively as chicago (and i don't think you'll find many minnesotans who would claim that it is either), but i can hardly buy into your characterization that it is some barren, unihabited wasteland utterly devoid of any urban life or culture what-so-ever.

[luv2bebrown]

ok its not a barren, uninhabited wasteland. but u must admit, it is too sprawled, and much of the city goes to sleep at around 9pm.

[Badgers77]

Minneapolis has semblances of nightlife, but not culture.

[TheKansan]

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=204836
Colorado Springs Vs. Minneapolis, express your opinion with your vote.

[madlib696]

Minneapolis is a great city :)

[The anti-cheesehead]

ok its not a barren, uninhabited wasteland. but u must admit, it is too sprawled, and much of the city goes to sleep at around 9pm.

Well, first of all, I can tell you have issues because of your screen name. luv2bebrown? What the fuck does that mean? How would people react if I changed my screen name to "luv2bewhite"?

Second, what are you comparing Minneapolis to? New York?

And too sprawled? What city isn't? As far as the central cities are concerned, they're just as dense as anything in the midwest outside of Chicago.

"minneapolis is great if u love golf, fishing, camping, climbing, hiking, biking"

Climbing? Camping? In Minneapolis? What in the fuck are you talking about?

"people talk about how uptown and the warehouse district is great, when in reality those are quiet, dark areas of town with little life. "

OK, well that's just a load of shit. I've been to plenty of cities in the US. I'm not from North Dakota or Brainerd. When you say stuff like that, you're forgetting that there are people who are well traveled in the US that live in Minneapolis that will call you on bullshit like that. You never really had any credibility, and you keep proving it.

I also find it funny that the ones talking about Minneapolis having no nightlife and going to sleep at 9pm are the same ones bitching about it on a skyscraper website on a Friday night. I didn't go to bed last night at 9 pm and I was with quite a few people who didn't either. I have a feeling that badgersdork, brownguy, and denverfreak don't have many friends.

And no culture? Again, what city are you comparing it to and what do you mean by culture?

[Badgers77]

I think it is true that Minneapolis is not like Austin, which attracts just tons of people from all over the United States, but I think it's less because of Minneapolis, and more because people, especially from the warmer regions, just don't want to deal with Winnipeg-ian winter.

So it's true that Minneapolis doesn't attract out-of-staters from all over the US the way states like California, Texas, Washington and such do- but it still definitely does

[Accura4Matalan]

The good people of Minneapolis :D
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/6302705517.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

[luv2bebrown]

Well, first of all, I can tell you have issues because of your screen name. luv2bebrown? What the fuck does that mean? How would people react if I changed my screen name to "luv2bewhite"?

there is no concept of diversity in minneapolis, therefore you couldn't possibly understand the humour behind my screenname. if I posted with this screenname on a london forum, it would get quite a few laughs.

if you really think uptown and the warehouse district are lively areas of town, my god... i don't even know what to say. to me, those areas are like I said, poorly lit, quiet, absolutely no energy.

have you ever seen how deathly quiet minneapolis is on christmas eve? new years eve? even on the 4th of july, you have a bunch of people who watch the fireworks for like an hour and leave. and its deathly quiet again... on a day of celebration!

if you dont think the city goes to sleep at 9pm, try looking for something to eat at 2-3am. you have like 3 choices, mcdonald's is one of them.

minneapolis is extremely sprawled. you have a small downtown area, surrounded by a VAST expanse of forest and low density housing. doesn't make much for streetlife.

i understand that you may think minneapolis is quite lively, but you also have to understand that what you think may be a bright, high-energy city, is to me, a sleepy, dull and dreary town.

[The anti-cheesehead]

i understand that you may think minneapolis is quite lively, but you also have to understand that what you think may be a bright, high-energy city, is to me, a sleepy, dull and dreary town.

What would you know about a real city, you're from Dubai.

I asked you what cities you're comparing Minneapolis to.

And you're right, I don't understand how your screen name is supposed to be funny.

[The anti-cheesehead]

Oh yeah---I have another question for my favorite little brown guy, I want to know where in the city of Minneapolis are these vast uninhabitated forests where I can go camping and climbing? I've lived here for 28 years, and I've never found these camping and climbing forests in the city that you speak of.

[luv2bebrown]

dubai is a real city.

minneapolis is a large town. 3 towers surrounded by a forest and endless amounts of low density housing doesnt make it a proper city. there is no culture in minneapolis, it is just a segregated, quiet, quaint, bland, boring, sleepy, dreary and dull town.

just take a look at those outdoor magazines if you want to find out about camping, golfing, fishing, hiking in the metro.

what would you know about real cities if you've lived in minneapolis for 28 years?

[Accura4Matalan]

Minneapolis is more real than Dubai lol.

[luv2bebrown]

believe me, i wish that were the case.
have you ever been to dubai?

[KM1410]

believe me, i wish that were the case.
have you ever been to dubai?

ive been to Dubai and have relatives there. i think you need to get over yourself and Dubai. Contrary to your and every other poster from the UAE's beliefs, its not the greatest country on earth.

[Accura4Matalan]

believe me, i wish that were the case.
have you ever been to dubai?
Yes, I was there during the Rugby World Cup. Its interesting and nice but I wouldnt want to live there. I would want to live in Minneapolis though :yes:

[luv2bebrown]

@acura preston

seems then its just a matter of personal preference.
i prefer a more heavily urbanized experience. i can easily see myself living in NY, chicago or Miami. but i wouldn't want to spend the rest of my life in minneapolis. also, i travel a lot internationally and its so damn expensive flying out of MSP because there are no good internatinoal connections like there are at OHR. if domestic travel is all one does, then MSP would be perfect. excellent connections and very frequent flights.


also, yes dubai is not the greatest city on earth, but us dubai people don't feel the need to resign ourselves to that fate/classification. we want to improve the city, more transport, better living conditions, better services, better government services, more things to do, more entertainment.

there are many towns in the US who fight tooth and nail to PREVENT that, so that they can keep their community small and (i suppose) "uncorrupted". but like i said, its a matter of preference, I would be bored out of my mind living in a place that doesn't really change over time. others would be flabbergasted by the thought of living in a place that doesn't offer some consistency and a comfortable status quo.

where i get upset is that, yes minneapolis is nice, but it seems to me that you guys are trying to make it seem like Ibiza. if you want to make like that, thats fine, but telling yourselves that minneapolis is pulsating to the booming bass of its vibrant nightlife is not going to get you guys very far.

[tombantdesfoetus]

I hate to break this to you, luv2bebrown, but someday, the vast oil fields that sit below your country will dry up, and your country's economy will fall so fast you won't even know what hit.

Your city would not exist if it weren't for cities of the west, including Minneapolis.

[sfhoya]

First of all, I can't believe this forum hasn't been locked yet. The crassness of this whole exchange just reinforces the perception of SSC as the last refuge for people whose behavior has been or would be banned elsewhere.

Secondly, empirical evidence is always more persuasive that unsupported claims...so let's see a bit more evidence around here. Badgers77 writes, "Minneapolis has semblances of nightlife, but not culture," yet elsewhere admits that he has only been to Minneapolis briefly. I'm not sure what metric people are using for culture but, as I've posted elsewhere, Minneapolis has a theater scene with few peers in the country.

Here are stats from a 2001 study:

Total 2000 theater attendance in selected U.S. cities, ranked as a rate of population:

CITY........................ Tickets sold....... metro population.... and rate of theater attendance:
1. Mpls.-St. Paul 2.3 million.............. 2.8 million................. 82%
2. Seattle ................. 1.9 million............... 3.4 million ..................56%
3. Chicago.................. 4.0 million.................. 8.8 million ..................45%
4. Atlanta.................. 1.7 million............... 3.8 million ..................45%
5. Philadelphia........... 1.5 million............... 6 million .....................25%
6. St. Louis................. 600,000 ................... 2.5 million ..................24%
7. Boston ................... 1 million.................. 5.7 million ..................18%

If we're going to have a conversation about the arts in midwestern cities, we'll need institutional data for endowment, membership and budgets. What we don't need are unsupported claims about cities we've only seen from the car window.

Thirdly, I think there is plenty to criticize in Minneapolis: the many bleak, treeless downtown streets, the isolation of downtown from the rest of the city by freeways, one-party Democratic rule at City Hall, suburban Republican divestment in the U of M, neighborhood opposition to density/change, racial disparities in income and educational achievement, the absence of transit infrastructure or even a city transit plan. Though there's a lot of obnoxious rhetoric on this thread and too much boosterism, I think most forumers think Minneapolis is a great city and agree it has a lot of potential and need for improvement.

luv2bebrown, despite your recent comments, I know you share this view. We had a great email exchange several months ago in which you wrote the following:

"thank you so much for the message. dont be fooled by my "angerful" messages. of course minneapolis is a beautiful and spectacular city.

i used to come here EVERY summer all my life and LOVED it.

its just i feel the city has so much potential to be even greater than it is. and like with many things when you dont see something performing at the level its capable of, you just get a little frustrated.

sure its smaller than a lot of other cities, but for example its skyline alone beats the pants off most cities. the LRT is awesome, and the golf courses are amazing. i only wish we had more of busy, booming city area like manhattan or chicago. something of that sort. oh yeah and the traffic problem needs to be solved!

anyways thanks again"

I share your feelings about the city's frustrated potential - it's a wonderful city that, somehow, is still less than the sum of its great parts. If we could all just abstain from all the unnecessary provocation and insults for a minute, I think we could have a constructive conversation about how to improve the city. Let's all take a breath, have a drink (http://www.mplshappyhour.com/), and find our way to a good discussion.

[luv2bebrown]

I hate to break this to you, luv2bebrown, but someday, the vast oil fields that sit below your country will dry up, and your country's economy will fall so fast you won't even know what hit.

Your city would not exist if it weren't for cities of the west, including Minneapolis.


yes we realize that is a problem. at the current level of consumption, dubai only has enough oil to last another 40 years. thats why we are building up and diversifying our economy, building up our infrastructure and public works, introducing new laws that allows for 100% foreign investment, as well as developing our tourist industry. currently, oil accounts for 7% of our GDP. down from 33% 10 years ago. we dont just sell oil and buy fancy cars with the money without a care for the future.

by the time oil runs out, we wont even need it. you talk about oil running out as if its some sort of major revelation that nobody in this world has ever thought about before.


perhaps dubai wouldn't exist if it werent for the cities of the west, but the west wouldnt be able to run if it weren't for our oil, which you so depend on.

frankly, it is not the economy of dubai you should be worried about, but rather your own. there will come a time when asian countries will no longer feel it is in their interests to keep their formerly cheap exportable products cheap, at which time they will cease financing US debt. what will you do once your own country cannot even pay its own debt servicing? i suppose this is a problem for the UAE too, since its currency is pegged to that of the US dollar.

anyway, could kindly tell me what this has to do with minneapolis sucking?

[DallasTexan]

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@SFhoya and other minneapolis forumers.
sorry if i made any rude comments. i wont make any more rude comments again.

[The anti-cheesehead]

what would you know about real cities if you've lived in minneapolis for 28 years?

I've been all over the country. It's starting to make sense now. You're comparing Minneapolis to Chicago and New York.

Dubai is more fake than Las Vegas.

[luv2bebrown]

nope. dubai is not fake. you only see the new developments. and you think that the new developments are all dubai is. you dont realize that the new developments are only an extension of the main city, and are fueled by the city's growth. it would be more appropriate to say dubai's new developments are as fake as the carlisle, or the tower on nicollet thats comin up.

by your logic, hong kong chep lap kok airport is a fake airport, because it is an extension of the main city, and was built from scratch in under a decade.

[The anti-cheesehead]

seems then its just a matter of personal preference.
i prefer a more heavily urbanized experience. i can easily see myself living in NY, chicago or Miami.

Those are the cities you're comparing to Minneapolis? Right.

also, i travel a lot internationally and its so damn expensive flying out of MSP because there are no good internatinoal connections like there are at OHR.

What do you expect for a metro of 3 million? Minneapolis is lucky to have the non-stop international routes that it has. And what airport is OHR?

[The anti-cheesehead]

i only wish we had more of busy, booming city area like manhattan or chicago. something of that sort.

So this is why the brown one is so disappointed by Minneapolis. :weird:

He comes to Minneapolis and is disappointed because it's not Chicago or Manhattan........and he's from Dubai. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[sfhoya]

While I like the medium and low density of many Minneapolis neighborhoods, I agree that downtown needs to be much denser As it is now, the downtown experience is uneven - certain blocks are bustling, beautiful and pedestrian-oriented while others are barren. For the city's tax base, quality of life and political representation in the state legisltature, continued growth in residential density will be key.
I think Hennepin Ave, from downtown to uptown, and Lake St, could both sustain much greater residential density as well. I wouldn't want to see development encroach on any of the lakefronts but I do think that the city has many commercial corridors that are seriously underdeveloped.

[denvernative1982]

The main reason why Minneapolis is boring in my opinion is that the people are stuck in a shell, they are very insular. God forbid any body be open-minded in Minneapolis.

Seriously, how can you have a central city boom when your dealing with a demographic of people who moved from places such as the Dakotas, rural Minnesota, Iowa and Nebraska.

I think that if Minneapolis with all the corperations in the world cant change the fact that the demographic just doesnt support entertainment and nightlife like my hometown.

On in airplane going from Denver to Minneapolis I was talking to a person who lived Minneapolis and when I said "one youve met one, youve met them all in the Twin Cities, they all have same personality" he agreed with me. Just not a enough diversity, a little more diversity would do wonders for the Twin Cities and the Somali's and Hmong's are a good start.

[luv2bebrown]

@denvernative

you are wrong. minneapolis people are very open-minded. its just that they dont have anything new to accept.

@anti-cheesehead

3 million is a very large population. out of those 3 million there is also much diversity. but because of the sprawl and the segregation, the 3 million pretty much exist in isolated communities.


due to its geographical location, it is understandable why msp doesnt have much international flights, even tho it is a major hub.


wouldnt you agree that if development in the metro was concentrated in minneapolis and sp, as opposed to the expanding suburbs, minneapolis would be a lot more exciting?

[ReddAlert]

my god people...its Minneapolis.........not Madrid, Miami, or Rio. Why are people constantly bitching about Minneapolis nightlife? Its a big city..but not some huge one that this is some major issue. Minneapolis has a great arts and culutral scene, good sports venues, great outdoor activities around it, shopping (the Mall of America anyone), parks....etc. Im sure it has some decent clubs and bars. Then again, is that all you people want to do at night---is go to a rave and watch idiots try to dance to techno music? Is that considered good nightlife? Like I said before...its Minnesota...not California or Flordia.

[Accura4Matalan]

@acura preston

seems then its just a matter of personal preference.
i prefer a more heavily urbanized experience. i can easily see myself living in NY, chicago or Miami. but i wouldn't want to spend the rest of my life in minneapolis. also, i travel a lot internationally and its so damn expensive flying out of MSP because there are no good internatinoal connections like there are at OHR. if domestic travel is all one does, then MSP would be perfect. excellent connections and very frequent flights.


also, yes dubai is not the greatest city on earth, but us dubai people don't feel the need to resign ourselves to that fate/classification. we want to improve the city, more transport, better living conditions, better services, better government services, more things to do, more entertainment.

there are many towns in the US who fight tooth and nail to PREVENT that, so that they can keep their community small and (i suppose) "uncorrupted". but like i said, its a matter of preference, I would be bored out of my mind living in a place that doesn't really change over time. others would be flabbergasted by the thought of living in a place that doesn't offer some consistency and a comfortable status quo.

where i get upset is that, yes minneapolis is nice, but it seems to me that you guys are trying to make it seem like Ibiza. if you want to make like that, thats fine, but telling yourselves that minneapolis is pulsating to the booming bass of its vibrant nightlife is not going to get you guys very far.
Dubai has more in common with Disneyland than it does with London or New York. Dubai is just a city of hotels, Minneapolis is a mix of everything. When the next big tourist thing comes along in somewhere like Kuwait after the Arab billionaires get bored with playing in Dubai and finally see that people dont really want to go on holiday to the desert, the whole structure of Dubai will go downhill. Huge tourist resorts in the past that once seemed invincible and unbreakable are now nothing more than run-down places where you can get a cheap house and a half decent bag of fish and chips. (Yes, I'm talking about Britain)
Minneapolis will go on though. Its a permanent set up. It doesnt matter if the living standards arnt so great and the crime is high, that is what makes true urban fabric. Even if Minneapolis went downhill and was just filled with civil service jobs provided from the government, it would continue at a steady pace with the potential to aspire again. With Dubai's hotel-and-beach-only structure, it would be very easy for the whole structure of the city to collapse. Not that I want it to happen, I'm just defending Minneapolis.

[denvernative1982]

@denvernative

you are wrong. minneapolis people are very open-minded. its just that they dont have anything new to accept.

Well the only issue Minneapolis more open-minded is with gays.

On issues contending with race, people with disabilities and elderly people Colorado Springs is light years ahead of Minneapolis.

Minneapolis on racial issues is 1964 Mississippi practically, it is not Colorado Springs which is in international beacon of equality. Colorado Springs has had african american and hispanic mayors. Minneapolis elected Sharon Belton who was a closet ultra-conservative, determines to price everybody but the elite out of Minneapolis.

At Focus on the Family and all of the evenglical churches in Colorado Springs you will see people of the different ethnic and racial groups attending and also people with disabilities you would never see that in Minneapolis except for a phony chamber of commerce website.

[denvernative1982]

. It doesnt matter if the living standards arnt so great and the crime is high, that is what makes true urban fabric. Even if Minneapolis went downhill and was just filled with civil service jobs provided from the government, it would continue at a steady pace with the potential to aspire again.

Yes, is the Minneapolis police breaking into a womens home are shooting her part of an acceptable urban fabric, and thats just one of the thousands of shootings Minneapolis had since 1995.

Im sorry, but I dont consider weekly driveby shootings chic, I dont consider people trying to shop downtown hearing gunshots, like a Minneapolis/St. Paul magazine profiled about a year ago hip, I dont think that 32% poverty rate for one group because of their skin pigment a trend-setter. I dont consider St. Paul with a measely 55% of disabled working, compared to close to 70% in other cities progressive. I dont consider people who make 1,000 dollars a month and are still homeless when in Colorado Springs theyd have a half-way decent place to stay acceptable.

[BigDan35]

Denvernative1982: SHUT UP! Everyone is soo sick of you. What the hell is your problem? You said "I don't try boosting my hometown's ego more than anyone else here does theirs".... BULLSHIT!

YOU unlike everyone else mention Colorado Springs in EVERY thread. No matter what! Even if the thread has absolutely NOTHING to do with Colorado Springs...you will still include it.

Which city do you prefer? Pittsburgh or Philadelphia....denvernative's response: I like Philadelphia, although I love Colorado Springs.

Which city has more gangs, LA or Chicago? denvernative's response: These two cities have so many gangs it makes me sick. Colorado Springs on the other hand has absolutely no gangs.

^^ Those are just two examples of some of the shit you pull on this forum trying to boost Colorado Springs up like it's on an altar or something. It's annoying. What is your obsession with it anyways? Jesus Christ.

Every post of Denvernative's that I see, even before seeing the actual post I already know in my head I am going to see some reference to Colorado Springs.

By the way....I've been to Colorado Springs and it isn't that great. Actually it isn't great at all. Actually...to me...it was down right boring.

[ReddAlert]

Yes, is the Minneapolis police breaking into a womens home are shooting her part of an acceptable urban fabric, and thats just one of the thousands of shootings Minneapolis had since 1995.

Im sorry, but I dont consider weekly driveby shootings chic, I dont consider people trying to shop downtown hearing gunshots, like a Minneapolis/St. Paul magazine profiled about a year ago hip, I dont think that 32% poverty rate for one group because of their skin pigment a trend-setter. I dont consider St. Paul with a measely 55% of disabled working, compared to close to 70% in other cities progressive. I dont consider people who make 1,000 dollars a month and are still homeless when in Colorado Springs theyd have a half-way decent place to stay acceptable.

oh come on now.. Your are really starting to overblow this whole crime thing. Milwaukee has a higher crime and homicide rate....has more poverty and things like that. I never think of it as some ghetto, crime ravaged hole liike you are calling MSP. From your examples...it sounds more like 90's LA or Rio....which I am sure it is not.

[denvernative1982]

Denvernative1982: SHUT UP! Everyone is soo sick of you. What the hell is your problem? You said "I don't try boosting my hometown's ego more than anyone else here does theirs".... BULLSHIT!

YOU unlike everyone else mention Colorado Springs in EVERY thread. No matter what! Even if the thread has absolutely NOTHING to do with Colorado Springs...you will still include it.

Which city do you prefer? Pittsburgh or Philadelphia....denvernative's response: I like Philadelphia, although I love Colorado Springs.

Which city has more gangs, LA or Chicago? denvernative's response: These two cities have so many gangs it makes me sick. Colorado Springs on the other hand has absolutely no gangs.

^^ Those are just two examples of some of the shit you pull on this forum trying to boost Colorado Springs up like it's on an altar or something. It's annoying. What is your obsession with it anyways? Jesus Christ.

Every post of Denvernative's that I see, even before seeing the actual post I already know in my head I am going to see some reference to Colorado Springs.

By the way....I've been to Colorado Springs and it isn't that great. Actually it isn't great at all. Actually...to me...it was down right boring.

ROFL, Thats comical. I have never been to be Philly so I never went into that threat and also never talked about crime problems in LA or Chicago.

I bet no more than 10 threads out 450 have talked about any Colorado city that I have posted.

You couldnt paste those Philly or LA comments because I didnt post them

[KM1410]

Well the only issue Minneapolis more open-minded is with gays.

On issues contending with race, people with disabilities and elderly people Colorado Springs is light years ahead of Minneapolis.

Minneapolis on racial issues is 1964 Mississippi practically, it is not Colorado Springs which is in international beacon of equality. Colorado Springs has had african american and hispanic mayors. Minneapolis elected Sharon Belton who was a closet ultra-conservative, determines to price everybody but the elite out of Minneapolis.

At Focus on the Family and all of the evenglical churches in Colorado Springs you will see people of the different ethnic and racial groups attending and also people with disabilities you would never see that in Minneapolis except for a phony chamber of commerce website.

You truly are delusional. You attack Minneapolis for having a "closet ultra-conservative" mayor, yet laud Colorado Springs for being the HQ of the ultra-conservative Focus on the Family.

Minneapolis on racial issues is 1964 Mississippi practically? Give me a f*cking break. The only reason I can think of for you not being banned yet is that the moderators get too much of a laugh out of your posts.

[BigDan35]

ROFL, Thats comical. I have never been to be Philly so I never went into that threat and also never talked about crime problems in LA or Chicago.

I bet no more than 10 threads out 450 have talked about any Colorado city that I have posted.

You couldnt paste those Philly or LA comments because I didnt post them

I never said that you DIRECTLY said those above mentioned comments specifically. I said those are two EXAMPLES of some of the shit you try and pull on this forum. I have seen it time and time again. There will be a thread that has absolutely nothing to do with Colorado Springs and you will still incorporate it. It gets annoying, not just for me, but for everyone else too.

And now on this thread you just proved what I said. It is a thread asking why do people think Minneapolis sucks and guess what??? You come in here and start talking about Colorado Springs. Even though it is completely irrelevant.

Just look at the people on this thread. You are the only one who agrees with your views. And then there are about 20 people who disagree. So you're telling me all 20 people are wrong. But you are right? Bullshit.

[denvernative1982]

Look at the first post, Big Dan

The 1st post had Colorado Springs in it five times. and then somebody said Colorado Springs on the 34th or 35th post and then I made a comment about Colorado Springs because they compared urbanity.

[BigDan35]

The point is: whether someone else brings up Colorado Springs or not. It WILL be brought up by you ultimately. The thread has nothing to do with it...you bring it up. The thread has something to do with it...you bring it up. So either way you bring it up in every post and it's damn annoying, and certainly not needed. And you're definitely bringing it up to try and boost it's "ego"

[luv2bebrown]

Dubai has more in common with Disneyland than it does with London or New York. Dubai is just a city of hotels, Minneapolis is a mix of everything. When the next big tourist thing comes along in somewhere like Kuwait after the Arab billionaires get bored with playing in Dubai and finally see that people dont really want to go on holiday to the desert, the whole structure of Dubai will go downhill. Huge tourist resorts in the past that once seemed invincible and unbreakable are now nothing more than run-down places where you can get a cheap house and a half decent bag of fish and chips. (Yes, I'm talking about Britain)

Minneapolis will go on though. Its a permanent set up. It doesnt matter if the living standards arnt so great and the crime is high, that is what makes true urban fabric. Even if Minneapolis went downhill and was just filled with civil service jobs provided from the government, it would continue at a steady pace with the potential to aspire again. With Dubai's hotel-and-beach-only structure, it would be very easy for the whole structure of the city to collapse. Not that I want it to happen, I'm just defending Minneapolis.

nope, dubai is one of the most important re-export centres in the world. aside from tourism, dubai is fast becoming a regional hub for high technology firms, media firms, transportation, real estate, production etc. volkswagen is even setting up a factory in the country. even though dubai is in a desert, its agricultural industry is growing. dont forget that dubai has only had oil for 40 years. it has existed as a settlement for thousands of years, and has been center of trade for at least 150 years. dubai's economy has been growing at double-digit rates for years. if people do not really want to visit a desert, why has dubai's tourism industry been growing rapidly? why during peak travel seasons are dubai's hotels close to 100% occupancy? economic diversification is the central theme of UAE's economic development. tourism as a source of foreign income is aimed only at supplementing the UAE's growth, not entirely driving it.

minneapolis on the other hand, has had very little development. the whole state is in debt and funding for various services have been continually cut. minneapolis is rotting from within. i cannot see minneapolis increasing its relative level of importance in this world.

like i said earlier, its a matter of personal preference. while you, as you stated, may be happy with high crime and "living standards that aren't great," I personally would prefer it if my city aspired for more than that.

[Toggie]

you know what's REALLY funny?

this excerp from the list of metro areas in decending order from lowest crime rate to highest.

139
114
Minneapolis-St. Paul, MN-WI
(16.08)
2,856,454

138
115
Bellingham, WA
(14.88)
158,680

137
116
El Paso, TX
(13.93)
713,252

136
117
Brockton, MA
(13.29)
252,188

135
118
Asheville, NC
(13.27)
216,581

134
119
Lincoln, NE
(12.58)
236,058

133
120
Victoria, TX
(12.36)
83,840

132
121
San Angelo, TX
(12.35)
104,255

131
122
Vallejo-Fairfield-Napa, CA
(10.74)
503,980

130
123
Atlantic City-Cape May, NJ
(10.47)
337,292

129
124
Yolo, CA
(8.72)
156,103

128
125
Worcester, MA-CT
(8.25)
486,932

127
126
San Diego, CA
(7.50)
2,821,328

126
127
Colorado Springs, CO
(6.95)
500,895


http://www.morganquitno.com/met01safe.htm

[madlib696]

i think that the reason minneapolis sucks is that the city as a whole is in a shell not just the people living in it but the people who come in and try to change it for the better to try and make it a world class. Then see it will not change fast enough if at all to meet their needs and they leave. The reason for this IMO is that St. Paul is having some big issues with Minneapolis ever since we passed them in POP a long ass time ago. They are the capital and they will use that to make it as hard as posible for MPLS to leap ahead leave behide its roots to the midwest and try even to become as great as chi town. St. Paul also controls much of the funding in MN so it turns all of the outstate (outside the metro) people against funding for MPLS. So if MPLS needed money for say a new park, because it costs so much they (outstate people) bicth and moan about cost. So the gov then gives that money to outstate citys so they can go ahead and build some dumb ass road somewhere that I am never going to drive on. All because the people that rep those areas live far away and because the capital is in St. Paul they only get to see MPLS from a car window. Plus there are a lot more people against MPLS then are for it on capital hill and that makes it very hard for MPLS to do. . . .well anything from sports to trainsit to schools. So my point after this long rant is that yes I do think that MPLS is in a shell and most people to! but it is not MPLS falt it has many people trying to bust out from the claws of St. Paul but as of right now the capital still has a firm grip to prevent this city from shooting to a whole new level. It is sad but I think it is time that Minneapolis and everyone in the west metro show lil ol St Paul who the real player in MN is.

on the count of 3 1...2...3...GOOOOOO MINNEAPOLIS

[Accura4Matalan]

i cannot see minneapolis increasing its relative level of importance in this world.
Not that it needs to, but why not? Whoever thought that Shanghai would be the almighty city it is now around 15 years ago? Who thought that a small Dutch trading outpost could become one of the most powerful cities in the world? You would be surprised how things can change over time. The important thing is, Minneapolis isnt declining. Its running at a steady rate and keeping its potential. Dubai is booming, but I would hardly call it a steady boom. All it takes is for one screw to come loose because the people investing in Dubai dont care about the city, they only care about themselves and their billions of dollars. At least the money going into Minneapolis is not from people who only give a damn about themselves, but the whole of the country :yes:

[Neph]

i think that the reason minneapolis sucks is that the city as a whole is in a shell not just the people living in it but the people who come in and try to change it for the better to try and make it a world class. Then see it will not change fast enough if at all to meet their needs and they leave. The reason for this IMO is that St. Paul is having some big issues with Minneapolis ever since we passed them in POP a long ass time ago. They are the capital and they will use that to make it as hard as posible for MPLS to leap ahead leave behide its roots to the midwest and try even to become as great as chi town. St. Paul also controls much of the funding in MN so it turns all of the outstate (outside the metro) people against funding for MPLS. So if MPLS needed money for say a new park, because it costs so much they (outstate people) bicth and moan about cost. So the gov then gives that money to outstate citys so they can go ahead and build some dumb ass road somewhere that I am never going to drive on. All because the people that rep those areas live far away and because the capital is in St. Paul they only get to see MPLS from a car window. Plus there are a lot more people against MPLS then are for it on capital hill and that makes it very hard for MPLS to do. . . .well anything from sports to trainsit to schools. So my point after this long rant is that yes I do think that MPLS is in a shell and most people to! but it is not MPLS falt it has many people trying to bust out from the claws of St. Paul but as of right now the capital still has a firm grip to prevent this city from shooting to a whole new level. It is sad but I think it is time that Minneapolis and everyone in the west metro show lil ol St Paul who the real player in MN is.

on the count of 3 1...2...3...GOOOOOO MINNEAPOLIS

LOL :hahaha: :hilarious That was one of the most hilarious :rant: I have ever read here!

Just to get you goin again; on the count of 3 1...2...3...GOOOOOO ST PAUL!
:runaway:

[madlib696]

Just to get you goin again; on the count of 3 1...2...3...GOOOOOO ST PAUL!

^
lol I was in a pretty bad mood last night I think some of the words I may have used were a little strong or out there but I still go by what I said in my last post.

ok now on the real, on the count of 3 1....2....3...GOOOOOOOOooooooo MINNEAPOLIS :)

[luv2bebrown]

is booming, but I would hardly call it a steady boom. All it takes is for one screw to come loose because the people investing in Dubai dont care about the city, they only care about themselves and their billions of dollars. At least the money going into Minneapolis is not from people who only give a damn about themselves, but the whole of the country :yes:

you have a very good point. i hope that those people investing in dubai may come to love the city and see that investing in the city may be of mutual benefit to them and the city.


but i also see the same thing happening in the US in general. the US is heading towards a more republican form of "each man for himself" (which i guess was what the country was founded to eventually a provide - haven for such thought, free from government interference and regulation). US and state debts are rising, and taxes are being lowered, services being cut - because people would rather keep their tax money to spend on themselves, than support the city with it.

[madlib696]

^

I too hope the money pooring into dubai is or soon be coming from people who really want to make this city something out of this world and not some fake like surreal city where every thing is plastic and phoony. Also I hope any city for that matter who has people putting money into care about the city and are not just trying to get some $$ by putting up a shity building then running off w/ all the money. I could never see myself living in dubai (i am happy in MN) but only because of languege and different lifestyle it would take a good amount of time to get used to the way you do things. I would and do see myself living in Tokyo for a few years at some point in my life. yes i know they also speak a different languege and have different lifstyles and it would take time to get used to it but Tokyo AS OF TODAY has more meaning to me as a city then dubia, and is worth all the time it would take to get used to living in Japan but time will tell maybe once dubai starts to level of and the city can take a deep breath after having one hell of a building boom then the people will put even more effert into making it a city w/ meaning and lead it to a even more promising future. I hope any way and who knows when that time comes I may see myself living in the sky above the streets of dubai.

[madlib696]

luv2bbrown i see what you are saying about America today it is very sad and I dont think that citys in the usa are in a good spot in the eyes of the gov because they (the gov, more like bush) are saying the root of all issues crime, gay people, drugs, hate crime, rapes, you name it the government is imo trying to rip apart citys by labbling them as heavens for the Dems and people who dont care about your right to carry guns and so on. With rail surice being cut or even an opition at all and roads getting fatter and fatter I must say that I am really happy MPLS and many others who have managed to gain pop can still do it even w/ the prez we have today. Also i am even happy we have at least one rail line, i know one is not enough but hey I am still getting over the fact that this is real, and there was not a big ass mob of people on the first day out to destroy it because it cost a lot of $$.

[Badgers77]

Oh come on Dubai will crumble. It runs on oil money.

[Badgers77]

Minneapolis is probably the second most exciting city in the midwest. Sadly, that's not a compliment.

[Accura4Matalan]

^ What is the most exciting city?

Quick question; is Minnesota a Republican or Democrat state? (just out of curiosity)

[MinneapolisGuy]

^ What is the most exciting city?

Quick question; is Minnesota a Republican or Democrat state? (just out of curiosity)

Regardless of what Badger or Denvermooron might have you believe, Minnesota is a highly Democratic state. In fact we are the only state to have never gone RED in a presidential election (Minnesota was the only state in the entire country that didn't vote for Regan). Its also a very well know fact that Minnesota's welfare system is one of the most liberal in the country, you don't even have to have to be a state citizen to collect your monthy check.

[Badgers77]

I never have said or lead anyone to believe Minnesota was a red state. Minneapolis is quite a liberal city. I've always thought of Minnesota as the most democratic state outside of the Northeast. Outside of the Metro area, it's red- but that goes with any city in any state pretty much.

[Minneapolitan]

It doesnt matter that outside of the city the rest of the state is red because we (the TC area) have 75 % of the population of the entire state.

[Badgers77]

I remember the sad, sad tale of Walter Mondale. You wonder why Minnesota didn't go Reagan that election and every other state did?

[Minneapolis612]

Minneapolis is the one most under rated city in the U.S. It's got an amazing skyline (second best in the midwest behind Chicago) and lots of culture, which a lot of idiots on this web site have no idea about. By the way the metro population is 3,437,464.

[Toggie]

that is the CMSA which nobody really uses, the MSA was 2.968 million in 2000.