Developing Economies: Which one will be a developed economy first??

[Sir Rene]

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[Ozcan]

EDIT....

[Sir Rene]

sorry, but in this thread you cant choose more than one option,, I will create another.

[waustralia]

Double Post. Sorry.

[waustralia]

Saudi Arabia basiclly already developed. In no order:
Brazil
China
India
Mexico

Winner China.

[Ozcan]

China, no way, their population is too big, they need many, many decades!! Same applies to India. Saudi Arabia is not developed!! For now , they have oil, Turkey, on the other hand without oil is already more developed than Saudi Arabia!

[mic of Orion]

saudi is not developed country actuly is quite poor country,. you need to ce the country to be able to judge it...

[FM 2258]

China for sure.

[SkylineTurbo]

India, although Brazil is advancing hugely.

[antofasky]

I think Chile, Argentina, Polan and Croatia can will be a developed economys in the short time

[Effer]

China, then India

[Shafick]

CHILE

[pricemazda]

Czech Rep

[kiwiboy]

It will take a long time to China cause its size of population, same to India so maybe Chile and Mexico and Czech Rep.

[Marsupilami]

czek republik, chile, mexico, slovakia and new kaledonia.

[Effer]

saudi is not developed country actuly is quite poor country,. you need to ce the country to be able to judge it...
Saudi is somewhat developed cause of all the oil they have! :bash: :cheers:

[samsonyuen]

Chile, Czech, Poland, Hungary, Malaysia. China, India, Brazil and Turkey have so many people that it'd be a larger effort.

[Zarkon]

Saudi Arabia..

[Metroland]

I think it would be Malaysia, from my knowledge, they seem pretty well off already.

[Siopao]

China of course.. it surpassed Canada in economical importance.. and it will soon surpass the USA..

[zachary24]

LOL china will soon surpass the USA??? latest projections are for a 2070 date when China has a larger GDP than USA. And thats if it can sustain its growth....lets not get ahead of our self. .... it has a long way to go but its doing a good job- i say the eastern european countries will be first to be developed

[VansTripp]

Excuse me... China will never suprasses USA :bash:

[sebvill]

I think Hungary is relatively a very develop country therefore the first to develop in my opinion will be Malasia, follow by Argentina and the other Latin countries (including those not on the list like (Uruguay, Costa Rica, Panama, Colombia, Peru, etc), in the same time Thailand, Poland and Turkey! :)

[tkr]

Chile, Costa Rica, Argentina and european countries.

China is the fastest one by far for the last decades, but it will need too much time, so it won't be the first. The same with India.

[HighSpeedTrain]

From the big ones (more than 50 millions) Mexico will be the first.

From the small ones Czech, Poland and Chile.

[centralized pandemonium]

Altho I would love it become developed soon, India is not gonna become developed anytimes soon. Sure it will have a very large gdp, but it will also have a large population.

From the list, I will pick Chile.

[Handsome]

East China will become developed first.

[Zaki]

saudi is not developed country actuly is quite poor country,. you need to ce the country to be able to judge it...

I lived in Saudi Arabia for 10 years and frankly the cities are very developed, more than a lot of western cities. Its true that when you go into the desert you see the poor people but then again since most of the people live in the cities i dont think that counts too much. Dont trust western media too much, they usually show the worst of other places to make their cities look better when really their not.

[null]

i voted China again:no:

[xantarc]

It should be Chile.

Chile has the best government and economic policy. It only lacks enough money.
Hungary and Czech Republic are quite developed but certainly more corrupted and infrastructure needs repaired.

China? Thailand? Mexico? Are you crazy? :cheers: Those countries is still lag
several decades behind USA or Canada.

Argentina is degrading in the past decades. Same applied to Poland.

[Nongkhai_tong]

what about Malasia and Thailand

[VansTripp]

East China will become developed first.

No way :bash:

[HighSpeedTrain]

It should be Chile.

Chile has the best government and economic policy. It only lacks enough money.
Hungary and Czech Republic are quite developed but certainly more corrupted and infrastructure needs repaired.

China? Thailand? Mexico? Are you crazy? :cheers: Those countries is still lag
several decades behind USA or Canada.

Argentina is degrading in the past decades. Same applied to Poland.


hey chilean go cheating other place, we all know you are not canadian ;)

[Nongkhai_tong]

He is not crazy but you are absolutely crazy, what do you know about Thailand? you don't know anything about us. :bash: :bash: :bash:
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[OtAkAw]

The Philippines is not there, I'm not voting.

[Handsome]

No way :bash:
many ways

[JuanPaulo]

China can surpass whoever they want in economic wealth.....regardless, I think Malaysia will be the first completely developed nation of the ones in the list.

[xantarc]

hey chilean go cheating other place, we all know you are not canadian ;)

Well, from my username?

Why not Chile?

[Arvo]

My vote goes to Malaysia. It has GDP per capita over 10000USD using PPP calculation.
I don't treat Hungary,Czech Republic or Poland as developing countries. They may lag behind those countries in Western Europe, but socially,politically and economically they're pretty developed.
China needs several decades to develop before it will become a developed nation.Many mainland Chinese think their country will become developed very soon (I really hope so!) but the fact is China is basically a poor country.
How about Mauritius?It's also quite rich, probably the richest country in Africa?

[colombian_girl]

China will be the next super power

chile, argentina, mexico, brazil? hahahahaha latin america is horribly corrupted and its people for the most uneducated and lazy, i dont think they will progress, maybe in two centuries they will civilize

[rayman]

China ofcourse and Thailand+Malaysia will be the next ones to follow.
India is getting really strong but there are so many issues to fix in India that it will take LOOOOOOOOOOOOONG LOOOOOOOOOONG TIME to fix.

[xantarc]

China will be the next super power

chile, argentina, mexico, brazil? hahahahaha latin america is horribly corrupted and its people for the most uneducated and lazy, i dont think they will progress, maybe in two centuries they will civilize

HaHa! You know nothing about Chile.
Uneducated? China has a lot of illiterate. Chile? At least better than them.
Corrupted? Perhaps French or Spanish people are more corrupted than Chilean.
Chinese? Extremely corrupted if you consider Chile or France is corrupted.

Idiot Northern Latin American! Colombia will be degraded :cheers:

[colombian_girl]

HaHa! You know nothing about Chile.
Uneducated? China has a lot of illiterate. Chile? At least better than them.
Corrupted? Perhaps French or Spanish people are more corrupted than Chilean.
Chinese? Extremely corrupted if you consider Chile or France is corrupted.

Idiot Northern Latin American! Colombia will be degraded :cheers:

who cares about Colombia, I was born there, but I don't care for it
just like I don't care for chile or all those countries.

plus what is in chile besides pinochet?

no one knows anything about chile or chileans, other than pinochet

sorry i am just realistic

[真琴]

China~!of course~!China is develops so fast~!India?I think it must take it a lot of time ``beause of it`s population ,China also haue this problem ,but China have passd India a lot~!

[eddyk]

People are getting it all wrong,....It wont be China....China if anything will be last.

It will have developed cities no doubt....but the rest of the country will still be poor...China has a long way to go.

Im surprised to see the Czech Republic isnt already a developed nation, so I voted them.

[CENTRAL]

Excuse me... China will never suprasses USA :bash:
SHUT UP~! IT IS A STUPID POINT

[CENTRAL]

HaHa! You know nothing about Chile.
Uneducated? China has a lot of illiterate. Chile? At least better than them.
Corrupted? Perhaps French or Spanish people are more corrupted than Chilean.
Chinese? Extremely corrupted if you consider Chile or France is corrupted.

Idiot Northern Latin American! Colombia will be degraded :cheers:
YOU are the 2nd most stupid guy in SSC follows BLIND

[CENTRAL]

People are getting it all wrong,....It wont be China....China if anything will be last.

It will have developed cities no doubt....but the rest of the country will still be poor...China has a long way to go.

Im surprised to see the Czech Republic isnt already a developed nation, so I voted them.
chinese auto company just merged ROVER of british
you are absolutely living in 100 yrs ago.
china is much stonger and wealthier than UK
no one cares what tony blair said, while what china's president said attracts all ppl's attention

[asianguy]

Many Coastal Chinese cities like Shenzhen and Shanghai has economic growth rates of >12% per annum, and at that rate will be developed economies in less than 10 years. The inland parts of the country will probably take 20-25 years to achieve the same status.

[samsonyuen]

This thread's getting off-course. It needs to be closed, or the trollers need to smarten up!

[antofasky]

China will be the next super power

chile, argentina, mexico, brazil? hahahahaha latin america is horribly corrupted and its people for the most uneducated and lazy, i dont think they will progress, maybe in two centuries they will civilize

in spanish ..

que Colombia sea el pais mas corrupto de Sudamerica no quiere decir que Chile lo sea, pues es considerado uno de los paises menos corruptos del mundo ..deja de joder ..

[eddyk]

chinese auto company just merged ROVER of british
you are absolutely living in 100 yrs ago.
china is much stonger and wealthier than UK
no one cares what tony blair said, while what china's president said attracts all ppl's attention


China is neither stronger or wealthier than the UK.

[CENTRAL]

China is neither stronger or wealthier than the UK.
that is why your knowledge needs to be updated.

[levinas by the store]

when china for the first time accepted imf and world bank standards for poverty measurement it was found that there are around 100 million people below poverty line,but other sources say it may be around 200million or more,so there aint any chances for china to be developed sooner,according to me chile should be the first country to be developed if chile maintains its present state of growth which the country has pretty well maintained since last two decades,it might be developed within 10 years,chile's human deveopment index already put country closer to britain,hong kong and others,santiago looks lot like a first world city,true for chile's other big towns and other important places in the country and chile of course has second highest life expectancy in americas after canada,if argentina maintains 6-7%
growth argentina will be developed in next 15 years,same for brazil also,malaysia and czech republic too soon follow the lead,by the way saudi arabia was going good in 80s but what happened to it.india has a long way to go cos of structural problems in indian society may be another 50-60 years or more than that,china just little earlier than india.

[eddyk]

we have the 2nd largest advanced army in the world after the USA and the 4th largest economy behind...the US Germany and Japan...china is 6th.

Your knowledge is the one that needs updating.

[tiger]

we have the 2nd largest advanced army in the world after the USA and the 4th largest economy behind...the US Germany and Japan...china is 6th.

Your knowledge is the one that needs updating.

China's GDP(PPP) is more than four times larger than UK's.

I'm not really interested in the comparison of GDP(PPP) with UK,you are far far behind,that's actually the deal between US and China.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP%29

Well,lets wait for the figures of GDP(nominal) of this year. :)

[CENTRAL]

we have the 2nd largest advanced army in the world after the USA and the 4th largest economy behind...the US Germany and Japan...china is 6th.

Your knowledge is the one that needs updating.
oh~~man~~
the UK has the 2nd largest army?
are you kidding me?
have you ever send ppl to the space?
do you know how small is the UK's defence budget?

do u really think the UK army is stronger than russian and china?
if you do, then no need to continue arguing, coz it is wasting my time

[tiger]

oh~~man~~
the UK has the 2nd largest army?
are you kidding me?
have you ever send ppl to the space?
do you know how small is the UK's defence budget?

do u really think the UK army is stronger than russian and china?
if you do, then no need to continue arguing, coz it is wasting my time

He meant US would surely protect its pet dog.

[CENTRAL]

and, the UK is no longer the world's 4th largest economy.
plz have a look at the current exchange rate of pound/dollar
it is nothing like 6 months ago.
china will be the third largest economy, surpass germany by the end of this yr.
coz renminbi yuan is becoming more and more expensive while euro$ is depreciating

[tiger]

and, the UK is no longer the world's 4th largest economy.
plz have a look at the current exchange rate of pound/dollar
it is nothing like 6 months ago.
china will be the third largest economy, surpass germany by the end of this yr.
coz renminbi yuan is becoming more and more expensive while euro$ is depreciating

Oh,my friend,too optimist,China may not revalue heavily its currency again this year.

BUT,it's probably China will surpass UK and France in GDP(nominal)

[CENTRAL]

He meant US would surely protect its pet dog.
yes. but he is wrong
americans will only think about themselves when a real danger is coming.
following the USA is the most stupid thing on this planet

[tiger]

yes. but he is wrong
americans will only think about themselves when a real danger is coming.
following the USA is the most stupid thing on this planet

they believe in Anglo-saxon. :)

[eddyk]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29

Thats the thing with you chinese....its all 'we will be' not 'we are'

[tiger]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29

Thats the thing with you chinese....its all 'we will be' not 'we are'

It's the data of LAST YEAR!

China will more than likely surpass UK in GDP(nominal) this year.

[eddyk]

last year...thats April 2005...its says it at the very top

[CENTRAL]

they believe in Anglo-saxon. :)
that is the only drug makes them feeling gooooood~~~~~~~

[tiger]

that is the only drug makes them feeling gooooood~~~~~~~

That's probably why they are the most hated contry in a thread of Skybar.

[pottebaum]

I don't want to get into this argument, but, Tiger, if you add it up, it's going to take about another 2 years for China to pass the UK (9% growth)--and that's assuming the UK doesn't grow at all(I couldn't find much data on predicted UK GDP growth).

[CENTRAL]

last year...thats April 2005...its says it at the very top
The list was produced by the World Bank in July 2005 for GDP figures in 2004.


can you read?

[tiger]

I don't want to get into this argument, but, Tiger, if you add it up, it's going to take about another 2 years for China to pass the UK (9% growth)--and that's assuming the UK doesn't grow at all(I couldn't find much data on predicted UK GDP growth).

It depends on more currency,compare british currency now with 6 months ago,you'll find some difference.

[italimex]

Mexico, the biggest economy of the developing countries

[CENTRAL]

That's probably why they are the most hated contry in a thread of Skybar.
really? that is a bit surprising.
then the british should consider why most ppl dont like them

[tiger]

Mexico, the biggest economy of the developing countries

China is still not a developed country!

[CENTRAL]

I don't want to get into this argument, but, Tiger, if you add it up, it's going to take about another 2 years for China to pass the UK (9% growth)--and that's assuming the UK doesn't grow at all(I couldn't find much data on predicted UK GDP growth).
the value of pound already depreciated a lot.
now the UK is only ahead of italy

[HighSpeedTrain]

For me is as simple as this:

From those on the list only those with High Human Development Right now.

The first who reach the 0.900 would be considered Developed.


1 Norway 0.956
2 Sweden 0.946
3 Australia 0.946
4 Canada 0.943
5 Netherlands 0.942

6 Belgium 0.942
7 Iceland 0.941
8 United States 0.939
9 Japan 0.938
10 Ireland 0.936

11 Switzerland 0.936
12 United Kingdom 0.936
13 Finland 0.935
14 Austria 0.934
15 Luxembourg 0.933

16 France 0.932
17 Denmark 0.932
18 New Zealand 0.926
19 Germany 0.925
20 Spain 0.922

21 Italy 0.920
22 Israel 0.908
23 Hong Kong, China (SAR) 0.903
24 Greece 0.902
25 Singapore 0.902

26 Portugal 0.897
27 Slovenia 0.895
28 Korea, Rep. of 0.888
29 Barbados 0.888
30 Cyprus 0.883

31 Malta 0.875
32 Czech Republic 0.868
33 Brunei Darussalam 0.867
34 Argentina 0.853
35 Seychelles 0.853

36 Estonia 0.853
37 Poland 0.850
38 Hungary 0.848
39 Saint Kitts and Nevis 0.844
40 Bahrain 0.843

41 Lithuania 0.842
42 Slovakia 0.842
43 Chile 0.839
44 Kuwait 0.838
45 Costa Rica 0.834

46 Uruguay 0.833
47 Qatar 0.833
48 Croatia 0.830
49 United Arab Emirates 0.824
50 Latvia 0.823

51 Bahamas 0.815
52 Cuba 0.809
53 Mexico 0.802
54 Trinidad and Tobago 0.801
55 Antigua and Barbuda 0.800

56 Bulgaria 0.796
57 Russian Federation 0.795
58 Libyan Arab Jamahiriya 0.794
59 Malaysia 0.793
60 Macedonia, TFYR 0.793

61 Panama 0.791
62 Belarus 0.790
63 Tonga 0.787
64 Mauritius 0.785
65 Albania 0.781

66 Bosnia and Herzegovina 0.781
67 Suriname 0.780
68 Venezuela 0.778
69 Romania 0.778
70 Ukraine 0.777

71 Saint Lucia 0.777
72 Brazil 0.775
73 Colombia 0.773
74 Oman 0.770
75 Samoa (Western) 0.769

76 Thailand 0.768
77 Saudi Arabia 0.768
78 Kazakhstan 0.766
79 Jamaica 0.764
80 Lebanon 0.758

81 Fiji 0.758
82 Armenia 0.754
83 Philippines 0.753
84 Maldives 0.752
85 Peru 0.752

86 Turkmenistan 0.752
87 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 0.751
88 Turkey 0.751
89 Paraguay 0.751
90 Jordan 0.750

91 Azerbaijan 0.746
92 Tunisia 0.745
93 Grenada 0.745
94 China 0.745
95 Dominica 0.743

96 Sri Lanka 0.740
97 Georgia 0.739
98 Dominican Republic 0.738
99 Belize 0.737
100 Ecuador 0.735

101 Iran, Islamic Rep. of 0.732
102 Occupied Palestinian Territories 0.726
103 El Salvador 0.720
104 Guyana 0.719
105 Cape Verde 0.717

106 Syrian Arab Republic 0.710
107 Uzbekistan 0.709
108 Algeria 0.704
109 Equatorial Guinea 0.703
110 Kyrgyzstan 0.701

111 Indonesia 0.692
112 Viet Nam 0.691
113 Moldova, Rep. of 0.681
114 Bolivia 0.681
115 Honduras 0.672

116 Tajikistan 0.671
117 Mongolia 0.668
118 Nicaragua 0.667
119 South Africa 0.666
120 Egypt 0.653

121 Guatemala 0.649
122 Gabon 0.648
123 São Tomé and Principe 0.645
124 Solomon Islands 0.624
125 Morocco 0.620

126 Namibia 0.607
127 India 0.595
128 Botswana 0.589
129 Vanuatu 0.570
130 Cambodia 0.568

131 Ghana 0.568
132 Myanmar 0.551
133 Papua New Guinea 0.542
134 Bhutan 0.536
135 Lao People's Dem. Rep. 0.534

136 Comoros 0.530
137 Swaziland 0.519
138 Bangladesh 0.509
139 Sudan 0.505
140 Nepal 0.504

141 Cameroon 0.501
142 Pakistan 0.497
143 Togo 0.495
144 Congo 0.494
145 Lesotho 0.493

146 Uganda 0.493
147 Zimbabwe 0.491
148 Kenya 0.488
149 Yemen 0.482
150 Madagascar 0.469

151 Nigeria 0.466
152 Mauritania 0.465
153 Haiti 0.463
154 Djibouti 0.454
155 Gambia 0.452

156 Eritrea 0.439
157 Senegal 0.437
158 Timor-Leste 0.436
159 Rwanda 0.431
160 Guinea 0.425

161 Benin 0.421
162 Tanzania, U. Rep. of 0.407
163 Côte d'Ivoire 0.399
164 Zambia 0.389
165 Malawi 0.388

166 Angola 0.381
167 Chad 0.379
168 Congo, Dem. Rep. of the 0.365
169 Central African Republic 0.361
170 Ethiopia 0.359

171 Mozambique 0.354
172 Guinea-Bissau 0.350
173 Burundi 0.339
174 Mali 0.326
175 Burkina Faso 0.302

176 Niger 0.292
177 Sierra Leone 0.273



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Ranking of the highest LatinAmerican and EastEuropean countries in HDI 2004:


High Human Development
United Nations Human Development Report (http://hdr.undp.org/statistics/)

Life index, Education Index, GDP Index, HDI Index

1.- Slovenia 0.85 0.96 0.87 ...... 0.895
2.- Czech Republic 0.84 0.92 0.84 ...... 0.868
3.- Argentina 0.82 0.96 0.78 ...... 0.853
4.- Estonia 0.78 0.98 0.80 ...... 0.853
5.- Poland 0.81 0.96 0.78 ...... 0.850
6.- Hungary 0.78 0.95 0.82 ...... 0.848
7.- Lithuania 0.79 0.96 0.77 ...... 0.842
8.- Slovakia 0.81 0.91 0.81 ...... 0.842
9.- Chile 0.85 0.90 0.77 ...... 0.839
10.- Costa Rica 0.88 0.87 0.75 ...... 0.834
11.- Uruguay 0.84 0.94 0.73 ...... 0.833
12.- Croatia 0.82 0.90 0.77 ...... 0.830
13.- Latvia 0.76 0.95 0.75 ...... 0.823
14.- Mexico 0.81 0.85 0.75 ...... 0.802

[tiger]

It depends on more currency,compare british currency now with 6 months ago,you'll find some difference.

China's GDP(nominal) grew by 16% last year,9.3% is the growth rate of GDP(PPP).

[CENTRAL]

Mexico, the biggest economy of the developing countries
i ve heard about that brasil surpassed mexico by a really a little bit.
they are very similar.

[eddyk]

The list was produced by the World Bank in July 2005 for GDP figures in 2004.


can you read?

Nah it says April 2005.....or cant you read?

The IMF one

[tiger]

UK is relatively sucking.

[CENTRAL]

Nah it says April 2005.....or cant you read?

The IMF one
the second list is so wrong!
it estimates that EU will surpass the USA in 2005!
how funny is that?
a yr ago, 1 euro could buy 1.35 us$, but now only about 1.2$!!
plz, plz, think about the currency factor.

[pottebaum]

^Tiger

You silly. You silly.

[eddyk]

UK is relatively sucking.

Still doing better than you :rofl:

Blah blah....chinas growing...of course it is...its a developing coutry...were as the UK is a developed one...and the UKs economy still increased by 3% last year

[tiger]

the second list is so wrong!
it estimates that EU will surpass the USA in 2005!
how funny is that?
a yr ago, 1 euro could buy 1.35 us$, but now only about 1.2$!!
plz, plz, think about the currency factor.

the list of GDP(nominal) estimated EURO wouldl rise this year,but unfortunately,it's being down.

[CENTRAL]

the IMF estimation is based on that 1 euro can buy >1.5$
but the current trend is opposite!

[tiger]

Still doing better than you

Blah blah....chinas growing...of course it is...its a developing coutry...were as the UK is a developed one.

so that's your last straw to clutch at. :rofl:

[CENTRAL]

the list of GDP(nominal) estimated EURO wouldl rise this year,but unfortunately,it's being down.
the IMF and WORLD BANK are the two most stupid organisations in the world. they never make correct estimation, but made bad plans to destroy countries' economy instead.

[pottebaum]

No..you said the UK's economy sucked. It doesn't--it's GDP per capita is almost $30,000.

China's is.....$5,600!

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/rankorder/2004rank.html

[eddyk]

Hardly cluthing at anything...

Its you lot and all your

'were better because in the future...'

[tiger]

Hardly cluthing at anything...

Its you lot and all your

'were better because in the future...'

you cannot change a fact that UK is relatively sucking. :rofl:

[CENTRAL]

Still doing better than you :rofl:

Blah blah....chinas growing...of course it is...its a developing coutry...were as the UK is a developed one...and the UKs economy still increased by 3% last year
boy, i hope you are all right.

[pottebaum]

Of the US economy? I think it grew by 3.8% last quarter.

[CENTRAL]

No..you said the UK's economy sucked. It doesn't--it's GDP per capita is almost $30,000.

China's is.....$5,600!

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/rankorder/2004rank.html
excuse me, would you tell me the annual growth of states' eco?
thank you!

[tiger]

No..you said the UK's economy sucked. It doesn't--it's GDP per capita is almost $30,000.

China's is.....$5,600!

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/rankorder/2004rank.html

I guess you've not forgotten a thread"China may be a developed country by 2023"

[pottebaum]

^Central--my message appeared ahead of yours for some reason...

[pottebaum]

I guess you've not forgotten a thread"China may be a developed country by 2023"


Yeah...according to a 20 year projection. :lol:

[CENTRAL]

^Central--my message appeared ahead of yours for some reason...
that is a good effort for such a huge economy like the US!
all the developed countries are about falling in recession, beside the states.

[tiger]

Yeah...according to an 18 year projection. :lol:

^Yep,it's not a very long time.

[eddyk]

acording to winkipedia...

the USA economy grew by 3.4% last year and the UKs 3%

[tiger]

that is a good effort for such a huge economy like the US!
all the developed countries are about falling in recession, beside the states.

I agree with you,US always does well in the developed nations.

so it's more interesing to compare with US. ;)

[pottebaum]

China's still a very volatile country--I wouldn't take any projections past 5 years too seriously; I wouldn't for the US either.

Still, I'm trying to find this research done by Deutsche Bank--it predicted the GDP's (and GDP per capita) of the world's leading economies in 2025, and China wasn't even close to what you were guessing.

[tiger]

acording to winkipedia...

the USA economy grew by 3.4% last year and the UKs 3%

You are at 0.4% in the first quarter.

[CENTRAL]

acording to winkipedia...

the USA economy grew by 3.4% last year and the UKs 3%
yes, the UK is one of the fastest growing countries in EU.
but the value of pound depreciated too much.
otherwise, it would have a chance to surpass germany

[pottebaum]

acording to winkipedia...

the USA economy grew by 3.4% last year and the UKs 3%

According to the CIA World Factbook; the US's real GDP growth rate was 4.4% last year. The UK's was 3.2%.

[tiger]

yes, the UK is one of the fastest growing countries in EU.
but the value of pound depreciated too much.
otherwise, it would have a chance to surpass germany

my friend,you are surprisingly updated. ;)
the UK is one of the fastest growing countries in EU.........passed :rofl:

catch up with the times!

[tiger]

According to the CIA World Factbook; the US's real GDP growth rate was 4.4% last year. The UK's was 3.2%.

We are talking about 2005,this year,not last year,plz.

[CENTRAL]

China's still a very volatile country--I wouldn't take any projections past 5 years too seriously; I wouldn't for the US either.

Still, I'm trying to find this research done by Deutsche Bank--it predicted the GDP's (and GDP per capita) of the world's leading economies in 2025, and China wasn't even close to what you were guessing.
no one did estimate correctly how fast china would boom 10yrs ago.
and no one will.
china is a mistery.

[eddyk]

We are talking about 2005,this year,not last year,plz.


well we dont know the growth of this year because there are still 5 months left.

bloody hell

Germany grew 1.6%
France 0.5
Spain 2.4 (2003)

[CENTRAL]

According to the CIA World Factbook; the US's real GDP growth rate was 4.4% last year. The UK's was 3.2%.
nominal makes more sense than real

[tiger]

well we dont know the growth of this year because there are still 5 months left.

bloody hell

you'll probably see that UK is sucking.oh,silly

[CENTRAL]

You are at 0.4% in the first quarter.
for the UK?really?!!
that is incredibly slow~~~~~
how could the growth dropped down so quickily?
maybe a decrease in the 2nd quarter, becoz of the bomb?

[tiger]

for the UK?really?!!
that is incredibly slow~~~~~
how could the growth dropped down so quickily?
maybe a decrease in the 2nd quarter, becoz of the bomb?

It's the first quarter.

[pottebaum]

No. The .4% was for the 2nd quarter.

[eddyk]

Drop it Tiger....you said Beijing was a more of a world city than London.

[CENTRAL]

as fas as i know
now italy is declining, and france and germany are about 0 growth.
now the uk is joining them
sigh~
what the hell happened to europeans!

[tiger]

No. The .4% was for the 2nd quarter.

for feb,mar and apr. :)

[CENTRAL]

No. The .4% was for the 2nd quarter.
what about the states for the 1st and 2nd quarter?

[pottebaum]

you'll probably see that UK is sucking.oh,silly

How is the UK sucking? It's GDP growth could be -75% this year, and it would still have a much higher GDP per capita than China!

[tiger]

Drop it Tiger....you said Beijing was a more of a world city than London.

I never said that,you are making things up!

[brooklynprospect]

You are at 0.4% in the first quarter.


U... K... Number... 1...
All together now

[eddyk]

of fook off will you.....

Brooklyn....everytime I see you youre saying some crap about the UK

[tiger]

How is the UK sucking? It's GDP growth could be -75% this year, and it would still have a much higher GDP per capita than China!

yep,louxembourg has far far higher GDP per capita than UK. :rofl:

[eddyk]

I never said that,you are making things up!


Yes you fooking did...in the beijing V London thread......which was closed because of you and nzchina or whatever his name was.

[tiger]

Yes you fooking did...in the beijing V London thread......which was closed because fo you and nzchina or whatever his name was.

I never said that,you're libeling me!

[Ozcan]

It's absolutely impossible for China to become a developed nation in 20 or 30 years...
Maybe with a growth rate of 40% LOL!

[CENTRAL]

yep,louxembourg has far far higher GDP per capita than UK. :rofl:
and far higher that the US as well
GDP per capita tells very few things

[brooklynprospect]

By the way, the average British citizen lives FAR BETTER than the average Chinese citizen (well except for the shitty weather and the resultant depressed citizenry). So what are you bragging about Tiger? China's growing faster, but it's people are still much poorer.

Out of the list above, some of the Eastern European countries will be the first to develop. They're really close to 1st world status as it is.

China will take more time, as anyone who's not a Chinese nationalist and studied a bit of economics will tell you.

Argentina, if the past is any indication of the future, will soon be rivalling Ecuador in development.

[CENTRAL]

It's absolutely impossible for China to become a developed nation in 20 or 30 years...
Maybe with a growth rate of 40% LOL!
china's GDP per capita will over $10000 before 2010
and major provinces of china are all booming at a rate nearly 30%!
can you believe that?

[tiger]

china's GDP per capita will over $10000 before 2010
and major provinces of china are all booming at a rate nearly 30%!
can you believe that?

He cannot believe it,there are really few people on the earth who experienced such a great boom outside of China.

maybe DUBAI.

[pottebaum]

yep,louxembourg has far far higher GDP per capita than UK. :rofl:

Maybe you should think of it this way, Tiger:

A Brit is 5 times more important to the global economy than a Chinese citizen. The United Kingdom is an awesome country and has a good economy; deal with it!

[tiger]

Maybe you should think of it this way, Tiger:

A Brit is 5 times more important to the global economy than a Chinese citizen. The United Kingdom is an awesome country and has a good economy; deal with it!

I said to you in the past,Chinese do the same thing in China creat less GDP than in UK,the same person becomes more important in UK?NO,not at all,that's because of the cost of trading and business.

[Ozcan]

It's not enough if only major provinces are growing 30% Central, it's about China as a whole, the annual growth of China as a whole is what matters.. Believe me China needs many more decades, to become a developed nation..

china's GDP per capita will over $10000 before 2010
and major provinces of china are all booming at a rate nearly 30%!
can you believe that?

[CENTRAL]

He cannot believe it,there are really few people on the earth who experienced such a great boom.
i am not chinese either. but i started to be interested in china's economy since i visited universities in shanghai and nanjing 2 yrs ago. china is a unique country, much different from all other countries in the world. ppl havent been, well..... even some one have been there, cannot realise how different china is!

[tiger]

It's not enough if only major provinces are growing 30% Central, it's about China as a whole, the annual growth of China as a whole is what matters.. Believe me China needs many more decades, to become a developed nation..

China's average growth rate of last year was 16%,so...

[eddyk]

Ha ha....Tiger


hilarious to compare London with Beijing which is a much much more independant political power all over the world.

London may be a major city of EU in future,but on the world stage,no way to compete Beijing.

I knew you said it

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=229200&page=4&pp=20

[CENTRAL]

It's not enough if only major provinces are growing 30% Central, it's about China as a whole, the annual growth of China as a whole is what matters.. Believe me China needs many more decades, to become a developed nation..
no. the whole china's nominal GDP growth is nearly 20%!
unbelievably fast!
and, dont forget, china is revaluing its currency rate, china will very soon be the 3rd largest economy in the world by nominal GDP, and by ppp gdp, it is the NO. 2 now

[brooklynprospect]

china is a unique country, much different from all other countries in the world. ppl havent been, well..... even some one have been there, cannot realise how different china is!

The only thing unique about China is that it has 1.3 billion people. If it had 20 million, no one would care about it. And it's development, while very impressive, is just following a path first gone down Japan and then by HK, Singapore, Taiwan and S Korea.

[tiger]

Ha ha....Tiger



I knew you said it

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=229200&page=4&pp=20

in politics term,YES!

[tiger]

The only thing unique about China is that it has 1.3 billion people. If it had 20 million, no one would care about it. And it's development, while very impressive, is just following a path first gone down Japan and then by HK, Singapore, Taiwan and S Korea.

More than 5 provinces of China grows faster in the recent 20 years than 4 small dragons in 60'-80's.

[CENTRAL]

The only thing unique about China is that it has 1.3 billion people. If it had 20 million, no one would care about it. And it's development, while very impressive, is just following a path first gone down Japan and then by HK, Singapore, Taiwan and S Korea.
nope, you dont realise.
it is hard to tell someone who have been there for more than 1 yr

[brooklynprospect]

nope, you dont realise.
it is hard to tell someone who have been there for more than 1 yr

I was in Shanghai last August. And on the same 3 week trip, to Japan and S Korea. China is developing rapidly, but so did Japan and S korea before it.

[brooklynprospect]

More than 5 provinces of China grows faster in the recent 20 years than 4 small dragons in 60'-80's.

Yes, and I'm sure 5 provinces of S Korea grew faster than the country as a whole in the 60s-80s.

[tiger]

Yes, and I'm sure 5 provinces of S Korea grew faster than the country as a whole in the 60s-80s.

but one province of China is just as large as S Korea. :)

[Ozcan]

no. the whole china's nominal GDP growth is nearly 20%!
unbelievably fast!
and, dont forget, china is revaluing its currency rate, china will very soon be the 3rd largest economy in the world by nominal GDP, and by ppp gdp, it is the NO. 2 now
But do you know the official figures over the past, let's say 10 or 20 years, I know for sure that China didn't grow 20% every year, did it?

[brooklynprospect]

but one province of China is just as large as S Korea. :)

Yes, the only thing unique about China is it's population.

[tiger]

Yes, the only thing unique about China is it's population.

I don't know why population is a real problem,every province of China is booming including Tibet.

[brooklynprospect]

But do you know the official figures over the past, let's say 10 or 20 years, I know for sure that China didn't grow 20% every year, did it?

I think he's talking about GDP growth in the local currency. If a country has 100% inflation (which has happened in Latin American countries, among others), even a 90% growth rate in nominal GDP will result in a fall in real GDP.

China's economy (GDP adjusted for inflation) is growing by about 7%-10% a year. Although I've had Chinese people tell me the official numbers are almost meaningless, being cooked as they are.

But anyone who's been to China can tell you it is in fact growing very rapidly. Especially the cities along the coastal shelf.

[CENTRAL]

i found far more differences than similarities betwn china and japan and korea. size decides everything! i believe china's rapid growth can last for at least 50 yrs. from now to 2030, we will see a terrible picture, that, china is competing with the rest of the world! the coast region-->the US and EU and japan. the central-eastern part-->korea, taiwan..... the rest part-->mexico, SEA......
this never happened and probably will not happen ever.

[brooklynprospect]

I don't know why population is a real problem,every province of China is booming incluing Tibet.

I never said it was a problem. I said that population is what makes China unique. Again, if China had 20 million people and an identical growth rate, not many people would care about the country.

[CENTRAL]

But do you know the official figures over the past, let's say 10 or 20 years, I know for sure that China didn't grow 20% every year, did it?
nominally, it did!
and it was closed to 30% in the early 90'

[tiger]

IChina's economy (GDP adjusted for inflation) is growing by about 7%-10% a year.

the average growth rate of China in the recent 20 years is 9.3%.

Most international and local economists think China's GDP is underrated,because China's service sector is amazingly low in the total GDP,even lower than India,that's not logical actually.

[Ozcan]

I think he's talking about GDP growth in the local currency. If a country has 100% inflation (which has happened in Latin American countries, among others), even a 90% growth rate in nominal GDP will result in a fall in real GDP.

China's economy (GDP adjusted for inflation) is growing by about 7%-10% a year. Although I've had Chinese people tell me the official numbers are almost meaningless, being cooked as they are.

But anyone who's been to China can tell you it is in fact growing very rapidly. Especially the cities along the coastal shelf.
Thanks Brooklynprospect, are you an economist lol, yes I already thought that China's annual growth was about 7-10% and that's not enough to become a developed country in 20-30 years if you look at the current GDP per Capita, is it?

[CENTRAL]

I never said it was a problem. I said that population is what makes China unique. Again, if China had 20 million people and an identical growth rate, not many people would care about the country.

this point is very TRUE!

[tiger]

Thanks Brooklynprospect, are you an economist lol, yes I already thought that China's annual growth was about 7-10% and that's not enough to become a developed country in 20-30 years if you look at the current GDP per Capita, is it?

9.3% is the GDP(PPP)'s growth rate,do i have to emphasize again? :bash:

[CENTRAL]

I think he's talking about GDP growth in the local currency. If a country has 100% inflation (which has happened in Latin American countries, among others), even a 90% growth rate in nominal GDP will result in a fall in real GDP.

China's economy (GDP adjusted for inflation) is growing by about 7%-10% a year. Although I've had Chinese people tell me the official numbers are almost meaningless, being cooked as they are.

But anyone who's been to China can tell you it is in fact growing very rapidly. Especially the cities along the coastal shelf.
I VE heard that too!
but i believe the chinese gov reported small figure than what it actually was!
you may add all chinese provinces' GDP up and you will find it is much smaller than the whole china's figure.
interesting, eh?

[Ozcan]

OK relax, I have seen it now, but even that's not enough to realize what we are talking about (China becoming a developed country in 20 years!).

9.3% is the GDP(PPP)'s growth rate,do i have to emphasize again? :bash:

[tiger]

I VE heard that too!
but i believe the chinese gov reported small figure than what it actually was!
you may add all chinese provinces' GDP up and you will find it is much smaller than the whole china's figure.
interesting, eh?

You know a lot about China,really! :)

I guess you can speak chinese as well.

[tiger]

OK relax, I have seen it now, but even that's not enough to realize what we are talking about (China becoming a developed country in 20 years!).

to look for the "China may be a developed country by 2023" thread. :bash:

[CENTRAL]

Thanks Brooklynprospect, are you an economist lol, yes I already thought that China's annual growth was about 7-10% and that's not enough to become a developed country in 20-30 years if you look at the current GDP per Capita, is it?
you consider china's booming as a challange more than a chance, dont you?
coz all i can read from your context is-- fear

[Ozcan]

to look for the "China may be a developed country by 2023" thread. :bash:
Do you have a link of that thread? And stop hitting my head it hurts.

[CENTRAL]

You know a lot about China,really! :)

I guess you can speak chinese as well.
not very good. but i can listen:)
i am from singapore

[skyscraper_1]

^ true, but same could be said about the US or any other large economically powerful country.

Anyway. My prediction
Malaysia, Poland, Uruguay, Chile, Argentina etc will reach the level of the least advanced developed countries( like Portugal, Greece, South Korea) in about 20 years

My China predition

Reach level of Port. Greece, S.K.: 2030-2040
Level of the US,UK,Germany, Japan: 2060-2080

India
Reach level of Port. Greece, S.K.:2050-2060
Reach level of US,UK,Germany, Japan: 2080-2100

Of course any predition behind 5 years is a guess, anything can throw it off.

[tiger]

not very good. but i can listen:)
i am from singapore

That's an advantage. :)

[Ozcan]

you consider china's booming as a challange more than a chance, dont you?
coz all i can read from your context is-- fear
Oh come on, I like China and it's culture and I'm happy that it's doing well, but I would like to stick to reality..

[tiger]

Do you have a link of that thread? And stop hitting my head it hurts.

HAHA,I don't know how to find it,maybe pottebaum can help you.

[tiger]

My China predition

Reach level of Port. Greece, S.K.: 2030-2040
Level of the US,UK,Germany, Japan: 2060-2080

base what?

[CENTRAL]

HAHA,I don't know how to find it,maybe pottebaum can help you.
yes, he is always willing to help.
ask him

[CENTRAL]

That's an advantage. :)
yep~ture~~ i hope i can speak both soon.

[skyscraper_1]

base what?

Based on GDP MER per capita

[CENTRAL]

^ true, but same could be said about the US or any other large economically powerful country.

Anyway. My prediction
Malaysia, Poland, Uruguay, Chile, Argentina etc will reach the level of the least advanced developed countries( like Portugal, Greece, South Korea) in about 20 years

My China predition

Reach level of Port. Greece, S.K.: 2030-2040
Level of the US,UK,Germany, Japan: 2060-2080

India
Reach level of Port. Greece, S.K.:2050-2060
Reach level of US,UK,Germany, Japan: 2080-2100

Of course any predition behind 5 years is a guess, anything can throw it off.
my one:
reach korea and spain's lvl (extremely consevative)

shanghai,beijing,guangzhou,shenzhen: 2008-2010

coastal: 2020

most of central area and western metropolis: 2030

rest: 2040

[CENTRAL]

actually i would say shanghai and beijing and canton will beat most EU countries in living standard by 2010

[CENTRAL]

Oh come on, I like China and it's culture and I'm happy that it's doing well, but I would like to stick to reality..
as far as i know
australia(are you ausi anyway?) is highly depending on china's growth ATM.
it is weighting china and the USA's importances almost equally, as well as we do in singapore.

[Ozcan]

Haha no I'm of Turkish origin but born in the Netherlands, still living there..

[CENTRAL]

Haha no I'm of Turkish origin but born in the Netherlands, still living there..
oh~~~~~~~~~well~~~~~~~~you know, i am getting sensitive with ppl's name starts with OZ

[N/A]

The only thing unique about China is that it has 1.3 billion people. If it had 20 million, no one would care about it.
if USA had 20 million people, no one would care about it, too.

[Effer]

if USA had 20 million people, no one would care about it, too.
100% true :cheers:

[italimex]

Mexico is more developed than Chile and Argentina together

[antofasky]

no hables ridiculeses italimex ..esta bien que mexico tenga una gran economia pero es sabido y re sabido que Chile y Argentina esta mucho mejor que Mexico ..Chile tiene el 18% de su poblacion bajo la linea de pobreza y Mexico casi el 35% ..deja de hablar estupideses ..

[Effer]

Mexico is more developed than Chile and Argentina together
not really :bash:

[antofasky]

Mexico is more developed than Chile and Argentina together

this is no really ..is your dream but this is different .. :)

[Diboto]

Mexico is more developed than Chile and Argentina together

Noooo way!!, who are you trying to fool?

Not only we LatinAmericans, but also the Americans, the Europeans, etc.. know that Mexico is Not the most developed country in Latin America. More developed countries are Chile, Argentina, Uruguay and even Brazil, which has more povertry than Chile and Argentina, but whose povertry line is still lower than Mexico's ( 40%).

The next countries to become first developed are Chile, Malaysia and the Eastern European countries. :), and then China followed by Argentina.

[italimex]

Lol, the south gang came!!

U can think wathever u want... Mexico is richier than any other country in LA.. Mexico is the 10th economy of the world and therefore it has been invited to the G8 to participate as invitated and soon it will be part of the North American Community Union, which will settle its entrance to the group of the developed countries in the next 10 years.

[antofasky]

tener una economia grande italimex por si no lo sabes no es indicador de nada ..por ejemplo ve a Luxemburgo ..ese es un pais mas desarrollado que Mexico y Chile porque han erradicado la pobreza y nos supera en temas sociales ..eso es lo que importa ..da lo mismo el tamaño de la economia ..no seas ridiculo ..en fin cosa tuya estar cegado ..por lo menos los demas son sensatos al reconocer a Chile y Argentina como los paises mas desarrollados de LatinoAmerica ..junto a Costa Rica y Panama claro ..

[italimex]

tener una economia grande italimex por si no lo sabes no es indicador de nada ..por ejemplo ve a Luxemburgo ..ese es un pais mas desarrollado que Mexico y Chile porque han erradicado la pobreza y nos supera en temas sociales ..eso es lo que importa ..da lo mismo el tamaño de la economia ..no seas ridiculo ..en fin cosa tuya estar cegado ..por lo menos los demas son sensatos al reconocer a Chile y Argentina como los paises mas desarrollados de LatinoAmerica ..junto a Costa Rica y Panama claro ..
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The other ones don´t know much about mexican economy and progress because unfortunatelly Mexico has always been underrated. The fact is what I have already exposed. Greetings.

[Effer]

tener una economia grande italimex por si no lo sabes no es indicador de nada ..por ejemplo ve a Luxemburgo ..ese es un pais mas desarrollado que Mexico y Chile porque han erradicado la pobreza y nos supera en temas sociales ..eso es lo que importa ..da lo mismo el tamaño de la economia ..no seas ridiculo ..en fin cosa tuya estar cegado ..por lo menos los demas son sensatos al reconocer a Chile y Argentina como los paises mas desarrollados de LatinoAmerica ..junto a Costa Rica y Panama claro ..
english please

[italimex]

english please

In a few words he says that Chile and Argentina are the best countries in LA above Mexico and I already explained the fact that Mexico is one of the 10th economies of the world and getting better.

[willo]

my one:
reach korea and spain's lvl (extremely consevative)

shanghai,beijing,guangzhou,shenzhen: 2008-2010

coastal: 2020

most of central area and western metropolis: 2030

rest: 2040


you must compares countries to countries, not regions to countries

anyway i think that's too soon

and spain is more developed than south korea.look at the datas posted and you will see it

[willo]

In a few words he says that Chile and Argentina are the best countries in LA above Mexico and I already explained the fact that Mexico is one of the 10th economies of the world and getting better.

you can have a big GDP meanwhile many inhabitants are under poverty.it happens in many countries

[tiger]

spain is more developed than south korea.

Right.

[Effer]

In a few words he says that Chile and Argentina are the best countries in LA above Mexico and I already explained the fact that Mexico is one of the 10th economies of the world and getting better.
thanx

[Diboto]

you can have a big GDP meanwhile many inhabitants are under poverty.it happens in many countries

That is totally correct. In fact, if the only way of measuring a country's level of development was its GDP, then, Sweden, Norway, Denmark , New Zealand, Luxembourg, etc... would not be developed countries or would be less developed than let's say India.

Therefore, since Chile, Argentina, Uruguay etc... have much lower levels of povertry that Mexico, which has a larger economy, the former have more chances of joining the group of developed countries in the near future :) also because Argentina and Chile are having good growth rates, not only Mexico.

[Effer]

That is totally correct. In fact, if the only way of measuring a country's level of development was its GDP, then, Sweden, Norway, Denmark , New Zealand, Luxembourg, etc... would not be developed countries or would be less developed than let's say India.

Therefore, since Chile, Argentina, Uruguay etc... have much lower levels of povertry that Mexico, which has a larger economy, the former have more chances of joining the group of developed countries in the near future :) also because Argentina and Chile are having good growth rates, not only Mexico.
confusing!

[Diboto]

What I mean is that, according to some forumers, a country is developed if its economy is large, but standards of living are not taking into acocunt, which is a wrong or incomplete approach.

The more social inequality there is, the less developed a country may be.

It is not just a matter of having a huge population and a large economy. For example, whereas the USA has a large economy, it also has high standards of living; but other countries with also large economies still have many social, political, etc.. issues that need to be overcome to be called " developed countries".

[HighSpeedTrain]

In a few words he says that Chile and Argentina are the best countries in LA above Mexico and I already explained the fact that Mexico is one of the 10th economies of the world and getting better.


They are right my friend.


The size of the economy is useful for other things, not to know the level of development of a country.


The Human Development Index is the best way to know who is who on development.

Argentina and Chile are over Mexico in this aspect.

Uruguay not as much.


and Mexico even behind them is considered a country with High Human Development by the United Nations.


so i believe everything is in order.

[sebvill]

who cares about Colombia, I was born there, but I don't care for it
just like I don't care for chile or all those countries.

plus what is in chile besides pinochet?

no one knows anything about chile or chileans, other than pinochet

sorry i am just realistic

Please don´t talk nonsense..Latin American countries are by far some of the best worlwide, specially it´s people! If you don´t care about Colombia why you put that username..ridiculous..plus Colombia is such a wonderful country, Barranquilla, Caribbean, Bogota, Gabriel Garcia Márquez, Shakira, el llano, Carlos Vives, Medellin, Cumbia, Ballenato, Cali, Santa Marta, Rainforest, Sierra, coast, skycrapers, history, Chibchas, Nueva Granada, happy people, fiestas and of course a good siesta!! Colombia is such a wonderful place..you really do not deserve to have that username if you don´t care for Colombia!
Cheers from Peru!

[Handsome]

all about China

[Handsome]

the Population contains the floating population,things will be like this.
2002GDP(nominal):65.40billion us dollar
2003:nominal increase rate:15.56% actual gdp increase rate:11.8％
GDP(nominal):75.58billion us dollar---Population:17.00million---GDP per capita:4446 us dollar
2004:nominal increase rate:19.21% actual gdp increase rate:13.6%
GDP(nominal):90.10billion us dollar---Population:17.50million---GDP per capita:5149 us dollar
conjecture
2005:nominal increase rate:16.00% actual gdp increase rate:
GDP(nominal):104.52billion us dollar---Population:18.00million---GDP per capita:5807 us dollar
2006:nominal increase rate:16.00% actual gdp increase rate:
GDP(nominal):121.24billion us dollar---Population:18.40million---GDP per capita:6589 us dollar
2007:nominal increase rate:16.00% actual gdp increase rate:[Shanghai 2007 Special Olympic World Games]
GDP(nominal):140.64billion us dollar---Population:18.80million---GDP per capita:7481 us dollar
2008:nominal increase rate:16.00% actual gdp increase rate:
GDP(nominal):163.14billion us dollar---Population:19.20million---GDP per capita:8497 us dollar
2009:nominal increase rate:16.00% actual gdp increase rate:
GDP(nominal):189.24billion us dollar---Population:19.60million---GDP per capita:9655 us dollar
2010:nominal increase rate:16.00% actual gdp increase rate:[2010 Shanghai EXPO]
GDP(nominal):219.52billion us dollar---Population:20.00million---GDP per capita:10976 us dollar
2011:nominal increase rate:16.00% actual gdp increase rate:
GDP(nominal):254.64billion us dollar---Population:20.40million---GDP per capita:12482 us dollar
2012:nominal increase rate:16.00% actual gdp increase rate:
GDP(nominal):295.38billion us dollar---Population:20.80million---GDP per capita:14201 us dollar
2013:nominal increase rate:16.00% actual gdp increase rate:
GDP(nominal):342.64billion us dollar---Population:21.20million---GDP per capita:16162 us dollar
2014:nominal increase rate:16.00% actual gdp increase rate:
GDP(nominal):397.46billion us dollar---Population:21.60million---GDP per capita:18401 us dollar
2015:nominal increase rate:16.00% actual gdp increase rate:
GDP(nominal):461.05billion us dollar---Population:22.00million---GDP per capita:20957 us dollar

[Handsome]

http://www.2007specialolympics.com/photo/H00000002.jpg

[Handsome]

http://img315.imageshack.us/img315/11/t7qm.jpg

[Handsome]

Shanghai will be developed in 2010

[ROYKSOPP_MX]

Chile

[Al Encinas]

^ Good for them. :)

[xantarc]

developed economy? It means a kind of economic structure like developed countries such as USA and Canada.

First, it must be a wealthy nation.
In the above countries, Hungary and Czech Republic is the winner. :|

However, a developed kind of economy means a highly market-oriented, open market and all economic policy are feasible for foreigner to invest. In the developed world, Hong Kong shows the best example :)

When comparing this part, Chile and South Africa is the best among the above countries. :cheers:

An open market and good economic environment is important for a country's future growth because this attracts foreign business invest in a country.

A country which always restrict its trade by its government needs longer time to develop because this makes foreign business hard to invest in a country like Argentina and Brazil. :ohno:

Corruption is a symbol of developing economy, and this should be controlled so that we can call a country has a developed economy.

Most countries above are not severely corrupted, except for Argentina, Mexico and India. However, most of them are quite corrupted like Brazil, China, Czech Republic, Hungary, South Africa. :ohno:

Even some of so called "Developed countries" have certain degree of high corruption like Greece, Italy, South Korea. This greatly impedes its growth. That's why in 90s South Korea suffers from economic shadow although recently booming, but particularly because decreased corruption in recent years.

I do not consider countries like Greece, Portugal, SK or even Italy(Look at Naples, Florence and Milan!) as developed economies.

What should be developed economies? Look at Canada or Australia! Or any Scandinavian countries. (Not France or Belgium, they are just touching the standard of developed economies).

So I vote for Chile because of its low corruption and free market like developed countries. Chile would be developed(Like France or Belgium now) around 2010s
Hungary or Czech Republic would be in 2020s if everything works well.
Then around 2050s Mexico, China, South Africa... (Very doubtful)
Argentina should be the last one because it's currently degraded from the standard of Portugal to Brazil.

[HighSpeedTrain]

So I vote for Chile because of its low corruption and free market like developed countries. Chile would be developed(Like France or Belgium now) around 2010sHungary or Czech Republic would be in 2020s if everything works well.
Then around 2050s Mexico, China, South Africa... (Very doubtful)
Argentina should be the last one because it's currently degraded from the standard of Portugal to Brazil.


This is one of the most stupid opinions i have ever read.... hahaha :rofl:

There is another one factor to considerate a country developed.

Not to be an economy based on primary sector, like mining... example Chile whose main product of exportation is copper.


You can not reach development level of France or Belgium by 2010 just selling copper. :|

[HighSpeedTrain]

:rofl: :|

[Ozcan]

Chili becoming like Belgium or France in 2010-2020 hahaha! :D

Just look at the difference in GDP per Capita..

Chili purchasing power parity - $10,700 (2004 est.)
Belgium purchasing power parity - $30,600 (2004 est.)

[ROYKSOPP_MX]

This is one of the most stupid opinions i have ever read.... hahaha :rofl:

There is another one factor to considerate a country developed.

Not to be an economy based on primary sector, like mining... example Chile whose main product of exportation is copper.


You can not reach development level of France or Belgium by 2010 just selling copper. :|




Besides its quality of life and strong economy, Chile has the best scientific development per capita in Latin America, something that Mexico lacks of despite of his huge GDP

[HighSpeedTrain]

Besides its quality of life and strong economy, Chile has the best scientific development per capita in Latin America, something that Mexico lacks of despite of his huge GDP


who the hell is talking about scientific development? and stop cheating that you are mexican cause i know you arent ;)


and, first read all the thread to see who is saying that Chile will get the development first in LA.


Anyways that doesnt mean is not a stupidity to say Chile will get developed as France in just 5 years.

So, stop talking bullshit in every thread against Mexico.

This is what i said in the 4th page of this thread, so learn something you troll.

For me is as simple as this:

From those on the list only those with High Human Development Right now.

The first who reach the 0.900 would be considered Developed.


1 Norway 0.956
2 Sweden 0.946
3 Australia 0.946
4 Canada 0.943
5 Netherlands 0.942

6 Belgium 0.942
7 Iceland 0.941
8 United States 0.939
9 Japan 0.938
10 Ireland 0.936

11 Switzerland 0.936
12 United Kingdom 0.936
13 Finland 0.935
14 Austria 0.934
15 Luxembourg 0.933

16 France 0.932
17 Denmark 0.932
18 New Zealand 0.926
19 Germany 0.925
20 Spain 0.922

21 Italy 0.920
22 Israel 0.908
23 Hong Kong, China (SAR) 0.903
24 Greece 0.902
25 Singapore 0.902

26 Portugal 0.897
27 Slovenia 0.895
28 Korea, Rep. of 0.888
29 Barbados 0.888
30 Cyprus 0.883

31 Malta 0.875
32 Czech Republic 0.868
33 Brunei Darussalam 0.867
34 Argentina 0.853
35 Seychelles 0.853

36 Estonia 0.853
37 Poland 0.850
38 Hungary 0.848
39 Saint Kitts and Nevis 0.844
40 Bahrain 0.843

41 Lithuania 0.842
42 Slovakia 0.842
43 Chile 0.839
44 Kuwait 0.838
45 Costa Rica 0.834

46 Uruguay 0.833
47 Qatar 0.833
48 Croatia 0.830
49 United Arab Emirates 0.824
50 Latvia 0.823

51 Bahamas 0.815
52 Cuba 0.809
53 Mexico 0.802
54 Trinidad and Tobago 0.801
55 Antigua and Barbuda 0.800

56 Bulgaria 0.796
57 Russian Federation 0.795
58 Libyan Arab Jamahiriya 0.794
59 Malaysia 0.793
60 Macedonia, TFYR 0.793

61 Panama 0.791
62 Belarus 0.790
63 Tonga 0.787
64 Mauritius 0.785
65 Albania 0.781

66 Bosnia and Herzegovina 0.781
67 Suriname 0.780
68 Venezuela 0.778
69 Romania 0.778
70 Ukraine 0.777

71 Saint Lucia 0.777
72 Brazil 0.775
73 Colombia 0.773
74 Oman 0.770
75 Samoa (Western) 0.769

76 Thailand 0.768
77 Saudi Arabia 0.768
78 Kazakhstan 0.766
79 Jamaica 0.764
80 Lebanon 0.758

81 Fiji 0.758
82 Armenia 0.754
83 Philippines 0.753
84 Maldives 0.752
85 Peru 0.752

86 Turkmenistan 0.752
87 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 0.751
88 Turkey 0.751
89 Paraguay 0.751
90 Jordan 0.750

91 Azerbaijan 0.746
92 Tunisia 0.745
93 Grenada 0.745
94 China 0.745
95 Dominica 0.743

96 Sri Lanka 0.740
97 Georgia 0.739
98 Dominican Republic 0.738
99 Belize 0.737
100 Ecuador 0.735

101 Iran, Islamic Rep. of 0.732
102 Occupied Palestinian Territories 0.726
103 El Salvador 0.720
104 Guyana 0.719
105 Cape Verde 0.717

106 Syrian Arab Republic 0.710
107 Uzbekistan 0.709
108 Algeria 0.704
109 Equatorial Guinea 0.703
110 Kyrgyzstan 0.701

111 Indonesia 0.692
112 Viet Nam 0.691
113 Moldova, Rep. of 0.681
114 Bolivia 0.681
115 Honduras 0.672

116 Tajikistan 0.671
117 Mongolia 0.668
118 Nicaragua 0.667
119 South Africa 0.666
120 Egypt 0.653

121 Guatemala 0.649
122 Gabon 0.648
123 São Tomé and Principe 0.645
124 Solomon Islands 0.624
125 Morocco 0.620

126 Namibia 0.607
127 India 0.595
128 Botswana 0.589
129 Vanuatu 0.570
130 Cambodia 0.568

131 Ghana 0.568
132 Myanmar 0.551
133 Papua New Guinea 0.542
134 Bhutan 0.536
135 Lao People's Dem. Rep. 0.534

136 Comoros 0.530
137 Swaziland 0.519
138 Bangladesh 0.509
139 Sudan 0.505
140 Nepal 0.504

141 Cameroon 0.501
142 Pakistan 0.497
143 Togo 0.495
144 Congo 0.494
145 Lesotho 0.493

146 Uganda 0.493
147 Zimbabwe 0.491
148 Kenya 0.488
149 Yemen 0.482
150 Madagascar 0.469

151 Nigeria 0.466
152 Mauritania 0.465
153 Haiti 0.463
154 Djibouti 0.454
155 Gambia 0.452

156 Eritrea 0.439
157 Senegal 0.437
158 Timor-Leste 0.436
159 Rwanda 0.431
160 Guinea 0.425

161 Benin 0.421
162 Tanzania, U. Rep. of 0.407
163 Côte d'Ivoire 0.399
164 Zambia 0.389
165 Malawi 0.388

166 Angola 0.381
167 Chad 0.379
168 Congo, Dem. Rep. of the 0.365
169 Central African Republic 0.361
170 Ethiopia 0.359

171 Mozambique 0.354
172 Guinea-Bissau 0.350
173 Burundi 0.339
174 Mali 0.326
175 Burkina Faso 0.302

176 Niger 0.292
177 Sierra Leone 0.273



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Ranking of the highest LatinAmerican and EastEuropean countries in HDI 2004:


High Human Development
United Nations Human Development Report (http://hdr.undp.org/statistics/)

Life index, Education Index, GDP Index, HDI Index

1.- Slovenia 0.85 0.96 0.87 ...... 0.895
2.- Czech Republic 0.84 0.92 0.84 ...... 0.868
3.- Argentina 0.82 0.96 0.78 ...... 0.853
4.- Estonia 0.78 0.98 0.80 ...... 0.853
5.- Poland 0.81 0.96 0.78 ...... 0.850
6.- Hungary 0.78 0.95 0.82 ...... 0.848
7.- Lithuania 0.79 0.96 0.77 ...... 0.842
8.- Slovakia 0.81 0.91 0.81 ...... 0.842
9.- Chile 0.85 0.90 0.77 ...... 0.839
10.- Costa Rica 0.88 0.87 0.75 ...... 0.834
11.- Uruguay 0.84 0.94 0.73 ...... 0.833
12.- Croatia 0.82 0.90 0.77 ...... 0.830
13.- Latvia 0.76 0.95 0.75 ...... 0.823
14.- Mexico 0.81 0.85 0.75 ...... 0.802

[ROYKSOPP_MX]

who the hell is talking about scientific development? and stop cheating that you are mexican cause i know you arent ;)


and, first read all the thread to see who is saying that Chile will get the development first in LA.


Anyways that doesnt mean is not a stupidity to say Chile will get developed as France in just 5 years.

So, stop talking bullshit in every thread against Mexico.

This is what i said in the 4th page of this thread, so learn something you troll.



Soy mexicano y simplemente hice notar una de las ventajas que tiene Chile sobre el resto de los paìses latinoamericanos para comnvertirse en un paìs desarrollado independientemente del tiempo que le tome, lo cual obviamente no ocurrirà ni en 10 años. En Mèxico nos llevarà mucho màs tiempo si es que eso ocurre

[antofasky]

dejalo que crea lo que quiera ..una cosa es que sea verdad lo que dice ..alli me preocuparia ..pero como no es verda d entonces para que pelear o discutir?

[hngcm]

ni para que pelean hijos de su...

lo unico que importa es que todos los paises se desarrollen lo mas rapido que se pueda :)

[kucksi]

r u really serious that chile has more possibility to become a developed country than those EU member eastern european states?? we get a lottsa money from the EU to develop faster and get to the level of the other EU countries. where chile or argentina gets money or help from ?

[Fallout]

The results of this poll are ridiculous. Czech Rep. which is the most developed of these countries has only 11 votes and Hungary, which is second richest has no votes at all, while China, being only above India in GDP terms got most votes. Well, i guess there were a lot of chinese voting in this thread.


59
Czech Republic $ 16,800 2004 est.
60
Barbados $ 16,400 2004 est.
61
New Caledonia $ 15,000 2003 est.
62
Hungary $ 14,900 2004 est.
63
Slovakia $ 14,500 2004 est.
64
Uruguay $ 14,500 2004 est.
65
Martinique $ 14,400 2003 est.
66
Estonia $ 14,300 2004 est.
67
Oman $ 13,100 2004 est.
68
Mauritius $ 12,800 2004 est.
69
Northern Mariana Islands $ 12,500 2000 est.
70
Lithuania $ 12,500 2004 est.
71
Argentina $ 12,400 2004 est.
72
Poland $ 12,000 2004 est.
73
Saudi Arabia $ 12,000 2004 est.
74
Latvia $ 11,500 2004 est.
75
Turks and Caicos Islands $ 11,500 2002 est.
76
Netherlands Antilles $ 11,400 2003 est.
77
Croatia $ 11,200 2004 est.
78
South Africa $ 11,100 2004 est.
79
Antigua and Barbuda $ 11,000 2002 est.
80
Chile $ 10,700 2004 est.
81
Trinidad and Tobago $ 10,500 2004 est.
82
Russia $ 9,800 2004 est.
83
Malaysia $ 9,700 2004 est.
84
Costa Rica $ 9,600 2004 est.
85
Mexico $ 9,600 2004 est.
86
Botswana $ 9,200 2004 est.
87
Palau $ 9,000 2001 est.
88
Saint Kitts and Nevis $ 8,800 2002 est.
89
World $ 8,800 2004 est.
90
French Guiana $ 8,300 2003 est.
91
Bulgaria $ 8,200 2004 est.
92
Brazil $ 8,100 2004 est.
93
Thailand $ 8,100 2004 est.
94
American Samoa $ 8,000 2000 est.
95
Guadeloupe $ 7,900 2003 est.
96
Kazakhstan $ 7,800 2004 est.
97
Seychelles $ 7,800 2002 est.
98
Iran $ 7,700 2004 est.
99
Romania $ 7,700 2004 est.
100
Anguilla $ 7,500 2002 est.
101
Turkey $ 7,400 2004 est.
102
Namibia $ 7,300 2004 est.
103
Cyprus $ 7,135 2004 est.
104
Macedonia $ 7,100 2004 est.
105
Tunisia $ 7,100 2004 est.
106
Saint Pierre and Miquelon $ 7,000 2001 est.
107
Panama $ 6,900 2004 est.
108
Belarus $ 6,800 2004 est.
109
Libya $ 6,700 2004 est.
110
Algeria $ 6,600 2004 est.
111
Colombia $ 6,600 2004 est.
112
Belize $ 6,500 2004 est.
113
Bosnia and Herzegovina $ 6,500 2004 est.
114
Dominican Republic $ 6,300 2004 est.
115
Ukraine $ 6,300 2004 est.
116
Reunion $ 6,000 2004 est.
117
Fiji $ 5,900 2004 est.
118
Gabon $ 5,900 2004 est.
119
Venezuela $ 5,800 2004 est.
120
Turkmenistan $ 5,700 2004 est.
121
China $ 5,600 2004 est.
122
Peru $ 5,600 2004 est.
123
Samoa $ 5,600 2002 est.
124
Dominica $ 5,500 2003 est.
125
Saint Lucia $ 5,400 2002 est.
126
Swaziland $ 5,100 2004 est.
127
Cook Islands $ 5,000 2001 est.
128
Lebanon $ 5,000 2004 est.
129
Philippines $ 5,000 2004 est.
130
Nauru $ 5,000 2001 est.
131
Grenada $ 5,000 2002 est.
132
Albania $ 4,900 2004 est.
133
El Salvador $ 4,900 2004 est.
134
Paraguay $ 4,800 2004 est.
135
Armenia $ 4,600 2004 est.
136
Jordan $ 4,500 2004 est.
137
Suriname $ 4,300 2004 est.
138
Egypt $ 4,200 2004 est.
139
Morocco $ 4,200 2004 est.
140
Guatemala $ 4,200 2004 est.
141
Jamaica $ 4,100 2004 est.
142
Sri Lanka $ 4,000 2004 est.
143
Maldives $ 3,900 2002 est.
144
Azerbaijan $ 3,800 2004 est.
145
Wallis and Futuna $ 3,800 2004 est.
146
Guyana $ 3,800 2004 est.
147
Ecuador $ 3,700 2004 est.
148
Niue $ 3,600 2000 est.
149
Indonesia $ 3,500 2004 est.
150
Iraq $ 3,500 2004 est.
151
Montserrat $ 3,400 2002 est.
152
Syria $ 3,400 2004 est.
153
Lesotho $ 3,200 2004 est.
154
Georgia $ 3,100 2004 est.
155
India $ 3,100 2004 est.

[Klugermann]

CHILE !!! 2010 - 2020

[Luckystreak]

Lol, the south gang came!!

U can think wathever u want... Mexico is richier than any other country in LA.. Mexico is the 10th economy of the world and therefore it has been invited to the G8 to participate as invitated and soon it will be part of the North American Community Union, which will settle its entrance to the group of the developed countries in the next 10 years.


lol :laugh: .....dude u need to update your facts...Mexico is no more in the top ten list...it has been ousted by some other fast growing economies in the world....


check out the latest rankings released by the World bank: :)

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/BUSINESS/07/13/world.gdp.reut/

[MightyKC]

i posted this in another thread:

This are the countries that i think they're gonna be developed countries in the next years(maybe SK and Czech R already are), by each continent:
IMHO
Europe: Czech Republic
Asia: South Korea
Africa: Seychelles
Oceania: Tonga
Americas: Barbados

IMHO this countries are already developed:
Norway, USA, Finland, Sweden, Canada, Iceland, Germany, France, UK, Ireland, Portugal, Greece, Denmark, Japan, New Zealand, Australia, Netherlands, Belgium, Switzerland, Austria, Slovenia, Singapore, Spain, Luxembourg, Italia, Israel, Cyprus, Malta and Brunei

[Dubai_Boy]

http://tinypic.com/9tzebs


I read in the newspapers a few days ago that Abu Dhabi the capital of the United Arab Emirates is going to be a world class city in 20 years time.

[Dubai_Boy]

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[eievar]

Czech Republic (it's easier for a small country like Czech Rep to grow faster, look at Ireland for example)

[Butcher]

China's population is too big for it to develop quickly. I would probably choose a South American country. Probably Chile, though its a tough choice.