Best Great Lakes Suburb?

[skokster123]

Between these communites which is your fav?

MILWAUKEE, WISCONSIN
1.Shorewood
2.Whitefish Bay

CHICAGO,ILLINOIS
1.Evanston
2.Oak Park
3.Glencoe
4.Winnetka
5.Wilmette
6.Highland PK/ Lake Forest

DETROIT, MICHIGAN/ WINDSOR,ONTARIO
1.Grosse Pointe(City,Farms,Shores,Woods,Park)
2.Birmingham
3.Bloomfield Hills
4.Berkely / Pleasent Ridge / Hunington Woods
5.Grosse Ile (Island suburb)
6.Royal Oak
7 Ann Arbor
8.Saint Clair Beach, ON

CLEVELAND,OHIO
1.Avon Lake
2.Rocky River
3.Lakewood
4.Bay Village

[JivecitySTL]

Tie between Evanston, IL and Lakewood, OH.

[ColDayMan]

For Cleveland

1. Lakewood
2. Shaker Heights
3. Cleveland Heights
4. Rocky River
5. Bay Village/Brethnahl (same thing)
6. Chagrin Falls
7. Willoughby
8. East Cleveland/Euclid (for density)
9. Hudson
10. I dunno...Gates Mill

[Steely Dan]

i'm not biased at all, so i'll say, ummmm......... evanston.

[ManageMich]

Detroit's suburbs are pretty amazing and most of the inner-ring ones are beginning to focus more on a truly urban agenda in terms of developments, i.e. Royal Oak, Ferndale, Birmingham, Southfield. The problem is, they're great at the expense of the city, however that too is changing as Detroit caters to their younger residents more and more. Oakland County, where most of those on the above list are located, is 4th wealthiest in the nation with populations over 1 million, behind New York, Santa Clara and Middlesex county in Mass.

[Jeff]

Are we talking lakefront suburbs? If so its Lake Forest, easily.

[SChristopher]

When I saw this I immediately thought Evanston, Il and Lakewood, Oh. I know there are alot of nice Detroit burbs (and others), but some I dont know by name and others that I do I am not familiar with.

[jcraw80]

i've only been to evanston and was totally amazed. if you have any, i'd love to see pics of other lakefront suburbs

[i_am_hydrogen]

Yeah, Detroit has some nice-looking 'burbs.

[ManageMich]

My favorites are below:

Cleveland: Lakewood
Detroit: Tie between Royal Oak and Ann Arbor
Chicago: Highland Park

[Azn_chi_boi]

Are we limited to the list?
Does the suburbs have to have a lake shore?

I pick Michigan City, IN. A national Beach and an outlet mall wins, for me as a suburb.

[hudkina]

Michigan City is not a suburb. It's still a separate city, though who knows for how long.

BTW, Grosse Ile has no place on this list. It's exurban at best. There's not much there besides old summer cottages (on the water) and large 50's-style houses (in the interior)

To me the top suburbs of Detroit are:

1. Ann Arbor - A progressive college town with a vibrant, historic commercial district and beautiful residential neighborhoods. There's a reason why this city is consistantly ranked one of the best places to live in America.
2. Dearborn - To me this city is the perfect suburb. You have the ethnic neighborhoods, the upscale neighborhoods, the dense, walkable commercial districts, the sprawling, wideopen office parks, highly reguarded public institutions, and industrial clout that few cities can match. Dearborn offers nearly every style of suburban living one could want.
3. Royal Oak - It may have become over-gentrified, but you can't deny that this is what J-Gov means when she refers to "Cool Cities". A lot of great things are happening in this city.
4. Southfield - It may not be historic or densely urban, but it has one of the most beautiful suburban skylines in the nation.
5. Hamtramck - Diversity, diversity, diversity. I don't know of any other suburb in the U.S. that could compare with the amount of diversity packed into this tiny 2 square mile enclave. It may not be as wealthy as some of the other suburbs, but it still has a great vibrancy in its own right.
6. The Grosse Pointes - Though there are actually five different cities that make up the Grosse Pointes, collectively they are the epitome of Old Money in Detroit. Beautiful Mansions line Lake St. Clair and vibrant commercial districts crisscross throughout.
7. Birmingham - Less hipster, more highclass. Birmingham has a mix of great upscale shopping, fine dining, and nightlife.
8. Pontiac - Though it has seen better days, Pontiac still has some of the best nightlife in the region. Great bars, clubs, and restaurants dot the downtown area. Though, I'm sure the fact that the city is in Oakland county has probably hindered a full-scale revival.
9. Wyandotte - A true working-class city with a great "small-town" feel. Probably the only city in suburban Detroit that supplies its residents with their own power, water, and cable services, it's no surprise that the hometown pride in this polish-enclave is evident.
10. Ferndale - One of Metro-Detroit's most progressive cities as well as the unofficial home to the regions gay community. Fashionable Ferndale has great neighborhoods and a vibrant commercial district along 9 Mile and Woodward.

Honorable Mentions: Ypsilanti, Mount Clemens, Plymouth, Northville, Bloomfield Hills, Trenton, Rochester, and Troy.

[Azn_chi_boi]

http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/me/?id=100031

"Chicago-Naperville-Michigan City Metro Area."

How stupid to not say Aurora, its basically just across from Naperville.

[edsg25]

4. Southfield - It may not be historic or densely urban, but it has one of the most beautiful suburban skylines in the nation.


It certainly doesn't go back to colonial times, but Southfield is certainly important historically. The role that Hudson's had in developing Northland was a highly significant event in the evolution of suburban shopping and its effect on central cities across America.

[marathon]

http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/me/?id=100031

"Chicago-Naperville-Michigan City Metro Area."

How stupid to not say Aurora, its basically just across from Naperville.

Or Joliet...or Elgin...or Waukegan...or Kenosha...or Gary...or Hammond...or DeKalb...or Kankakee...or ...

[BuffCity]

Buffalo NY

Amherst - the village of williamsville is like Beverly Hills of WNY, very rich
Tonawanda - north of Kenmore south of the erie canal exit
North Tonawanda - north of tonawanda, north of the erie canal exit
Kenmore - between Buffalo and Tonawanda along the niagara river
Clarence - the most far east suburb, sprawllllllllllling
Lancaster - kinda like cheektowaga, north of cheektowaga and south of amherst.
Depew - more stores, houses, stores and houses
Cheektowaga - Malls, airport, houses...huge
West Seneca - I dunno much about this burb
Orchard Park - Buffalo Bills (Ralph Wilson) Stadium is here, nice homes
Lackawanna - Large Islamic population to the south of Buffalo
Hamburg - Small city to the south of Lackawanna houses Erie county fair grounds

*there are more that are not included

[edsg25]

For Chicago, I'd say:

Evanston: true city in suburbia; true college town in suburbia. Grand old homes, real downtown, highly walkable, and sophisticated. Great lakefront open to the public. NU, one of the nation's top univerties. stellar public transportation. restaurant mecca for the North Shore, and beyond.and the right amount of density. the hybrid you create by crossing the city's North Side lakefront neighborhoods with the North Shore. a real sense of community and a sense of place

Oak Park: so much like Evanston in innumerable ways..it's the first suburb due west of the city where Evanston is first to the north. At one time, both suburbs had almost identical Marshall Field's. There are neighborhoods of older homes that, if you walk past them, you know you could only be in Evanston or Oak Park. All the historical architecture of FLW.

Lake Forest: just to see how the other half lives (which you'll never see with many houses hid well behind gates. Old, old $$$$, and lots of it. Beautiful LF College, home to Bears HQ at Halas Hall.Almost a New England feel to the ravine-lined streets and beautiful Lake Michigan shoreline. Classy downtown on Market Square, an early, early attempt to build a unified downtown district; they got it right

Highland Park: perhaps the definitive North Shore suburb. Lots of great shopping downtown. Concerts under the stars at Ravinia all summer long. Great lakefront. Could function equally well as a suburb of Tel Aviv, as it does as a suburb of Chicago.

Naperville, large and corporate-oriented (and thus a degree of transcience). Yet its core is a gem: a most walkable delight downtown along the DuPage River (with adjacent riverwalk), its shops and restaurants include the major pricey chains as well as individually owned stores...what a mix; and what a delightful way to spend the day.

Geneva and St. Charles: charm is alive and well along the beautiful banks of the Fox River.

Riverside: Frederick Lloyd Olmstead not only designed Central Park in Manhattan, but the village of Riveside, as well. It's curved streets integrated into the terrain, created a unique and inviting setting. the antidote to suburban sprawl.

Barrington Hills, Long Grove Inverness, etc.: a little too spread out, but spectacularly beautiful area. The hills are actual hills, by Chicago standards. Lots of natural prairie grass and huge required lot-sized with magnificent homes. This is the closest you'll come to Kentucky blue-grass country in Chicagoland.

Skokie: incredible diversity, rivaling the city in this department. Particularly large Asian community. A large community that is taking advantage of its close-in location to urbanize on a slightly lower scale than neighboring Evanston. Old Orchard.

Oak Brook: started as a planned community. Oppulent homes, but the star attraction is the nation's largest open air shopping center, Oakbrook Center, which manages to be inviting and attractive in a way that an encolosed mall never could be. Huge variety of stores and excellent restaurants (many part of Chicago's famed Lettuce Entertain You group)

Glencoe: great North Shore community; gets the nod here largely as home of the spectacular Chgo Botanic Gardens.

Winnetka: Glencoe's neighbor to the south. A most traditional North Shore suburb, with a downtown similiar to Highland Park's; famed New Trier High is in town.

Long Grove: 19th century farming village; today, the exclusive Long Grove area is centered around a village setting with well over 100 art galeries, antique shops, specialtity shops, restaurants, food services. Sure a lot of the ancient buildings have been surrounded by newer structures that try to mimic the old. But it works. The place exudes charm, enhanced when entered by a covered bridge. a thoroughly delightful place to spend the day

Glenview: Chicagoland's best example of a "new town", the Glen, resting in the middle of long established Glenview on land that used to be site of the Glenview Naval Air Station. Beautiful homes built for walking (porches in front, parking in back). Chicago style row houses (that go for over a $1,000,000. Town center that is much more a street than a shopping center (with terminal from air base as its centerpiece. Beautiful man made lake with phenominal rec center. The Glenn has its own Metra station. Hopefully a model for future suburban develoment.



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We haven't heard from any of those great guys who are the Milwaukee forumers here. What do you say, fellows? I'd put the following on my list and wonder if you'd agree: Shorewood, Whitefish Bay, Fox Point, Cedarburg (a delightful trip to the past), Wauwatosa (Milw's answer to Schaumburg, although IMHO, much better), Waukesha.

[james2390]

Lake Forest...even the name is cool:drool:

[Steely Dan]

edsg25, your list is pretty good (although i take strong exception to the Barrington Hills, Long Grove, Inverness crap-o-rama), however, given some of the places you mentioned, park ridge also deserves a spot on your list.

btw, i can't believe that people are nominating places like lake forest and highland park as the best great lakes suburb. sure, they're nice enough in a crusty upper class kinda way, but a place like evanston is hundreds of times more interesting. how can anyone who has been to both evanston and lake forest walk away with the impression that lake forest is the superior of the two? i just don't get it.

[Neph]

We haven't heard from any of those great guys who are the Milwaukee forumers here. What do you say, fellows? I'd put the following on my list and wonder if you'd agree: Shorewood, Whitefish Bay, Fox Point, Cedarburg (a delightful trip to the past), Wauwatosa (Milw's answer to Schaumburg, although IMHO, much better), Waukesha.
I'll go along with Shorewood being one of the best but my favorite burb is West Allis.

[edsg25]

sharptent, I agree fully with Park Forest. It serves the n.w. burbs the way that Evanston does the north and Oak Park the west. Lots of character. And, who knows? It could be the site of a future presidential library, Clinton II, unless its planned for Broadway and 42nd Street.

Neph, knew you'd come through. Isn't West Allis a bit like Wauwatosa, but more blue collar? It's where the fair grounds are, right?

[edsg25]

oooooops, Park Ridge. Although Park Forest gets high marks for earlier example of planned communities in the post-WWII rush to the suburb (alhthough it wasn't treated very kindly in The Organization Man)

[Neph]

Neph, knew you'd come through. Isn't West Allis a bit like Wauwatosa, but more blue collar? It's where the fair grounds are, right?
Yeah I'd say a little more blue collar but tosa does have some pretty similar neighborhoods I think. But yeah, fair grounds, race track, my brothers pad, I have to go with Stallis!

For all around "best" suburb in the midwest I'd have to go with Evanston from all that I have seen and heard. A close second would have to be Clayton outside of St Louis.

[ReddAlert]

We haven't heard from any of those great guys who are the Milwaukee forumers here. What do you say, fellows? I'd put the following on my list and wonder if you'd agree: Shorewood, Whitefish Bay, Fox Point, Cedarburg (a delightful trip to the past), Wauwatosa (Milw's answer to Schaumburg, although IMHO, much better), Waukesha.

I reallly like Tosa, Shorewood, and Whitefish Bay. Racine and Waukesha are pretty cool as well...but I dont think Racine would be considered a suburb. Other I like are Germantown, Mequon, West Allis, and GLENDALE!

I hate Cudahy, Oak Creek, Franklin, and New Berlin though. I work in Menomonee Falls and begin to hate it more as the day goes by--but its really not that bad.

[edsg25]

Hey, Milwaukee, how do you guys view Brookfield? Pretty important in suburban Milw shopping, isn't it? isn't that where Crate&Barrel is openning first Milw store (and why wasn't Mayfair a better site?)

[ReddAlert]

actually...a Crate and Barrell is going up right now at Mayfair. Brookfield is pretty important to the area shopping wise. They got alot of stores along Bluemound..around Brookfield Square Mall. Its probally one of the busiest areas in the Metro area. I am not a huge fan of Brookfield.....most of it that its. Its probally one ofthe richest and one of the most populous suburbs--which means its packed with cookie cutter large housing with nothing around except more of the same style houses. Its a great place to raise a family and shop...but living there would bore me a little.

[JT-MI]

I think West Allis is rebounding (especially if that new 20-story condo is built), but it still has to overcome the Nascar image they have...

I think the new Bayshore mall development, along with the proximity to the lake shore, will make Whitefish Bay/Shorewood the premier Milwaukee suburb.

** But don't forget Delafield, which in a few years will complete its Lang-designed downtown. I predict a building boom out there...

[D-res]

about 20 min or so north of downtown milwaukee is the town of river hills. very nice area. quite peaceful. very wealthy part of town as well. the average house value is just under a half a million dollars :eek2:

[milwaukeeunseen]

Shorewood and Whitefish Bay are OK, although they well deserve their nicknames "Snorewood" and "Whitefolk's Bay." Menomonee Falls has a somewhat interesting village center, but I always refer to it as "Monotony Falls."

Best Milwaukee burb has got to be West Allis. A lot of people think Stallis is full of "white trash." It's actually the most diverse, interesting suburb in the area with a bustling downtown district full of crazy stores, like one that deals only in neon signs, and another that sells only sewing machines. There's a store that deals in imports mostly from Germany that has a huge coo-koo clock selection. I think it's wonderful that in 2005 places like this still exsist.

If was voting for best suburb in the Midwest overall, I'd have to with Oak Park, IL. What a nice place.

[edsg25]

actually...a Crate and Barrell is going up right now at Mayfair. Brookfield is pretty important to the area shopping wise.

Redd, where in Mayfair are they building (I would think somewhere around the theatres in back)? That's quite a packed piece of land, particularly with all those restaurants on the Mayfair Road side of the mall. Will it be in the mall or free standing?

[milwaukeeunseen]

Redd, where in Mayfair are they building (I would think somewhere around the theatres in back)? That's quite a packed piece of land, particularly with all those restaurants on the Mayfair Road side of the mall. Will it be in the mall or free standing?

The C&B is under construction on the Hwy 100 side, pretty much right in front of the mall. I don't know what they're gonna do about parking, it's already so packed all the time they have valets parking cars. There is a parking deck beneath the theater, but I wouldn't be surprised if a new deck goes up soon.

Tosa is a lot more than just Mayfair. They have a really nice Village center with some actual urbanity.

[Coldwake]

Hey, Milwaukee, how do you guys view Brookfield? Pretty important in suburban Milw shopping, isn't it? isn't that where Crate&Barrel is openning first Milw store (and why wasn't Mayfair a better site?)

ugh... important for some types of shopping but the WORST in so many ways. They want to think they have money like mequon or river hills, it has more traffic problems then the marquette interchange does during rush hour and when I was younger all the children of bookfield parents thought they lived in bristlecone pines! which... isn't even that great of a place! Snobbish insecure lot that really got to me when I worked there. :bash:

oops! *rant over* :runaway:

[marathon]

Zion

[CiceroClark]

Rochester is a Great Lakes City.

Rochester has a nice skyline, but the city itself isn't that great. In my opinion, the best thing about Rochester is its suburbs. Rochester has Pittsford, Victor, Greece, fast growing Webster etc. Most suburbs of Rochester are really nice.

[NovaWolverine]

I don't think Oakland is fourth anymore, but it's really nice. Ann Arbor in Washtenaw is by far my favorite, but The Grosse Pointes, Royal Oak, Troy, and Bloomfield Hills are all pretty nice.

[edsg25]

I have been to Detroit and Ann Arbor and while I definitely see A2 as being part of metro Detroit, I see it far more as a city on the edge of the metro area, not suburban. Ann Arbor is its own world and gives every indication it cold stand completely independent from Detroit or any metro area.

I'd have to say Evanston is the model for suburban college town while Ann Arbor is the model for college town on the edge of a metro area. While there are similiarities, Ann Arbor operates much more independently from Detroit than Evanston does from Chicago.

Any input from Detoiters and other s.e. Michigan folks? (or Chicagoans, for that matter on the Evanston part)

[marathon]

Ann Arbor is to Detroit somewhat like DeKalb is to Chicago...a college town technically within the metro, but on the fringe of it...

[NovaWolverine]

Yeah, I don't know while Detroit isn't very far, it has a separate feel from Detroit, it does feel pretty independent, but it's still a suburb nonetheless.

[Steely Dan]

ann arbor feels much more independent from detroit than evanston does from chicago because it is much more independent. ann arbor grew for decades and decades as its own independent deal, dozens of miles outside of the sphere of detroit's influence. only in the latter stages of the 20th centruy did detroit's metropolitan area grow large enough to pull ann arbor in, and even then it's a tenuous connection. i like marathon's analogy of dekalb, not that dekalb is anywhere as nice of a place as ann arbor, just that it's distance from the main metro core makes it feel like a world apart.

evanston, on the other hand, was never its own deal. evanston is simply a chicago lakefront neighborhood that was able to resist annexation by the city of chicago. had the residents of evanston not been so adamant in their fight to remain independent from the city, we would only know evanston today as the northside's equivalent to the southside's hype park (both lakefront hoods that are home to some very prestigious universities), and there would be no ann arbor/evanston comparisons because northwestern would have been a "city school".

ann arbor and evanston have their similarities in the fact that they are both home to prestigious big 10 universities and they are both "suburbs" of very large midwestern cities, but the nature and degree to which they are actually suburbs of those cities is fundementally different.

[NovaWolverine]

Yeah, exactly It's a suburb in the sense that Detroit has sprawled pretty close in that ypsi-a2 area, and the sense that it's a quick 40 minute drive if you have to be there, but I agree, it's very independent, even being on the campus, there are plenty of things to do, it's more of an independent college town, you don't really think a whole lot abotu Detroit in AA, not as much as a suburb.

[hudkina]

Ann Arbor is a separate city, but I consider it a suburb in the same way I consider Pontiac, Port Huron, Wyandotte, or Monroe suburbs. They are all cities that were pretty major in their heyday that just were enveloped by Detroit's sprawl. Wyandotte and Pontiac are indistinguishable from the rest of Detroit, while Port Huron, Monroe, and Ann Arbor are fringe cities that the sprawl continues to creep towards.

[edsg25]

Ann Arbor is a separate city, but I consider it a suburb in the same way I consider Pontiac, Port Huron, Wyandotte, or Monroe suburbs. They are all cities that were pretty major in their heyday that just were enveloped by Detroit's sprawl. Wyandotte and Pontiac are indistinguishable from the rest of Detroit, while Port Huron, Monroe, and Ann Arbor are fringe cities that the sprawl continues to creep towards.

In Chicago, I think we see Waukegan, Elgin, Aroura, Jolliet, etc. more as satellite cities than real suburban (although new areas in places like the eastern end of Aroura are suburban).

[Steely Dan]

^ yes, ann arbor is much more of a satellite city than it is a traditional suburb that grew as a direct result of detroit's outward growth.

[edsg25]

As has come up here and in other threads, Evanston and Oak Park have come up at the top of the list of Chicago's most distinctive suburbs and the ones most likely to offer urban ammenties.

For Chicagoans and others who know these two places, which one comes out on top?

They are similiar in so many ways (the first suburbs north and west of the city), grand old homes, downtowns that grew in the same way (including the same old Marshall Field's buildings), CTA/Metra.

But they do differ.

So who gets the edge?

Evanston, with the lakefront, NU campus, larger downtown and larger community, North Shore location, etc.

-vs-

Oak Park, with all the FLW homes and historic district, village feel, closer proximity to the heart of the Chicago area, Unity Temple, etc.

[Blitz]

DETROIT, MICHIGAN/ WINDSOR,ONTARIO
1.Grosse Pointe(City,Farms,Shores,Woods,Park)
2.Birmingham
3.Bloomfield Hills
4.Berkely / Pleasent Ridge / Hunington Woods
5.Grosse Ile (Island suburb)
6.Royal Oak
7 Ann Arbor
8.Saint Clair Beach, ON


St. Clair Beach is indeed very nice although it doesn't exist anymore so it has kind of lost its identity. The province forced Tecumseh to annex it.

[oshkeoto]

^ Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think Evanston is as influenced by Northwestern as a lot of people make it out to be. I don't get the college town feel to it at all, whereas Hyde Park is dominated by U of C and in the other college town I've been a resident of--Madison--you can't last a week without realizing the huge impact the university has there. With Evanston, I feel, the vast majority of the culture is outside of NU.

[edsg25]

^ Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think Evanston is as influenced by Northwestern as a lot of people make it out to be. I don't get the college town feel to it at all, whereas Hyde Park is dominated by U of C and in the other college town I've been a resident of--Madison--you can't last a week without realizing the huge impact the university has there. With Evanston, I feel, the vast majority of the culture is outside of NU.

I think you're right. But I also think that part of Evanston's transformation, so much of it economically generated, is to realize that the color of money can be purple as well as green. There is a lot more catering to NU and many of the stores and restaurants that are goingup downtown are taking advantage of that.

And no matter how strong the relationship is between NU and Evanston, the university is in town and does play a huge part of the character of the place. NU is one of those things that gives Evanston its own personality, uniqueness. Meanwhile, the university is the city's largest employer.

[oshkeoto]

^ I guess the university makes Evanston a lot younger than it would otherwise be. In indirect ways like that, I suppose it has a sizeable influence; I just mean that in Hyde Park or Madison, the universities' seals and colors seem to be all over the place, which is not at all the case in Evanston.

[wheelingman]

I like Lakewood, Ohio. Naperville, IL has a very nice downtown too. I haven't been to that many other suburbs because I usually focus my travels in downtown areas and city neighborhoods, not the suburbs.

[Fiddlerontheruf]

My list...

1. Evanston
2. Ann Arbor
3. Shaker Heights
4. Oak Park
5. Lakewood
6. Whitefish Bay
7. etc

[elmwood]

CLEVELAND,OHIO
1.Avon Lake
2.Rocky River
3.Lakewood
4.Bay Village

I take it you're a West Sider? Cleveland's wealthiest suburbs are mostly on the East Side. Guess you never heard of Shaker Heights, Beachwood, Solon, Hunting Valley, Moreland Hills, Pepper Pike, Waite Hill, Kirtland Hills, Gates Mills, Bratenahl, Concord or Chagrin Falls.

My personal list ... excluding the Chagrin Valley and south Lake County estate communities that make up some of the wealthiest in the United States:

WEST SIDE:

1) Lakewood
2) Rocky River
3) Bay Village

EAST SIDE:

1) Shaker Heights
2) Cleveland Heights
3) Chagrin Falls
4) University Heights
5) Beachwood
6) Willoughby

[40748246]

I have notbeen to either Shorewood or Whitefish Bay. But I have been to Pewaukee which is a nice little town to me.

[Bonjourtoledo]

In the Toledo area there are 4 Great Lakes suburb (no lakefront but close-by): Sylvania (lotsa trees and lotsa recreational parks), Perrysburg (think Wisteria Lane from "Desperate Housewives"), Maumee (rich history and lot of historical preserved homes and buildings along with gorgeous view of the Maumee River), and Ottawa Hills (lotsa trees & hills, big mansions, and a' la folks with $$$)

[marathon]

In Chicago, I think we see Waukegan, Elgin, Aroura, Jolliet, etc. more as satellite cities than real suburban (although new areas in places like the eastern end of Aroura are suburban).

Yep, and we'll see it happen next to DeKalb-Sycamore, Morris, and Kankakee-Bradley-Bourbonnais...

[the pope]

WEST SIDE:

1) Lakewood
2) Rocky River
3) Bay Village

EAST SIDE:

1) Shaker Heights
2) Cleveland Heights
3) Chagrin Falls
4) University Heights
5) Beachwood
6) Willoughby

Okay, i'm splitting hairs here, but university heights, nice housing stock, but really nothing noteworthy in the entire city, did you go to JCU or something?

[Wu-Gambino]

Chicago: SCHAUMBURG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111111111111

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[CG5]

South Milwaukee.

[Coldwake]

South Milwaukee.

:ohno:

[AZian]

Royal Oak or Dearborn.

[the pope]

Chicago: SCHAUMBURG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111111111111

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isn't schaumburg's city hall the IKEA?