List 3 reasons why you think DUBAI is overrated.

[Dubai_Boy]

Guys narrow them down to three reasons please , even if you have a ton of reasons. thanks

[Mo Rush]

1.. too many flashy buildings built by other countries dont make a city
2. lacks its own identity
3. you cant just build a sports cluster of three little stadiums and make it alook all pretty the olympic games arent going to dubai anytime before 2040..

[You are to blame]

check out this entire 4 page thread before you start stupid post

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=203571&page=1&pp=20

[Rip the Jacker]

its too new and tries to be too much too fast. I think Dubai is lame for the same reason I think Phoenix in the US is lame: There was nothing there 50 years ago and all the sudden the city just pops up. This gives it no heart and no culture.

[The Mad Hatter!!]

1.its trying to become the next hk or nyc overnight,
2.tries to build the biggest everything(mall,building,aquarium etc.)
3.bad architecture
bonus----------all of dubai forumers seemed to be brainwashed by the government or devlopment companies

[You are to blame]

So because the city is ambitious, it's fake, and needs to be put down all the time. Man i never knew you guys could be so jealous of a city. So what if it's trying to become a hk and ny overnight aren't these some of the best cities in the world, would you rather dubai become another spwally american city like LA or pheonix.

And if you think the Architecture is bad check out the link

http://tinypic.com/4kdxye
http://tinypic.com/4ktkis
http://tinypic.com/4ktks9
http://tinypic.com/4kdxqr
http://tinypic.com/4kdxtl
http://tinypic.com/4ktl6d

[Wallbanger]

Its only overrated because its seems like its nothing for miles, then a cluster of tall ugly buildings, then nothing again. What is so great about the city really.

[You are to blame]

^ yes nothing for mile but a couple of tall buildings

http://tinypic.com/4l3eok
http://tinypic.com/4l3eia
http://tinypic.com/4ln40j
http://tinypic.com/4lrehj
http://tinypic.com/4lrej6
http://tinypic.com/4lreon

pics coutersy of tom green

[expat_marla]

that link is fantastic. kudos to tom green on those pics. and kudos to YouAreoBlame for posting the link to it. i look forward to one day visiting and experiencing Duabi personally rather than through pics and such.

[jmancuso]

not over-rated in my book.

[pottebaum]

1. From many pictures I've seen, I dislike how they seem to put big plazas around all the large buildings. I'd rather see it integrated to the rest of the street/neighborhood. It looks like a vertical suburban office complex (http://tinypic.com/4juxdz)

2. I dislike how Dubai is trying to look futuristic.. Just having big, glassy buildings doesn't cut it. Hearing this "city of the future" stuff drives me nuts.

I don't hate Dubai, though. It'd be a fun city to visit.

[Azn_chi_boi]

Dubai wants the title "city of the future". DUbai isnt that bad to me, its average.

[You are to blame]

1. From many pictures I've seen, I dislike how they seem to put big plazas around all the large buildings. I'd rather see it integrated to the rest of the street/neighborhood. It looks like a vertical suburban office complex (http://tinypic.com/4juxdz)

2. I dislike how Dubai is trying to look futuristic.. Just having big, glassy buildings doesn't cut it. Hearing this "city of the future" stuff drives me nuts.

I don't hate Dubai, though. It'd be a fun city to visit.

what the hell is wrong with a city looking futuristic, you guys are just coming up with any reason to bash dubai it's so pathetic. If you don't want a modern futuristic city stick to europe and leave N. America, Asia and S. America alone

check out this thread to see how great the city is

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=203571&page=1&pp=20

[Dubai_Boy]

You are to blame , i created this thread because i wanted to see the reasons behind people really hating this city , or just desliking it for what it is , i though maybe some people would make sense . However , the majority of reasons posted here are a load of crap really , maybe , and thats a big MAYBE one makes a little sense , but they are doing something about it to better it in the near future

thx for the link you are to blame , tom_green has done a good job

[rocky]

dont hate dubai but i think its overated for some reasons:
1-its developpement is that fast because the other countries of the region are unstable. So dubai is the only city where to go for business. Kuwait, iran, irak, saudi arabia, yemen.. you cant do business here, exept kuwait or saudi arabia but at your own risks..

2- its not very populated, desertic area, still they build skyscrapers. what i question is who will go in the skyscrapers.


bonus point : + heaven of peace and some liberty in this region.

[You are to blame]

^ well dubai is a fast growing city with a housing shortage you know, alot of people from europe and asia immigrate there. plus it's a financial & tourist mecca with many fabulous hotels. The best way to think about it if New York and Miami were one city

[JDRS]

At the moment I just think it lacks an identity but apart from that I wouldn't say it's really overrated.

[Ubermensch]

Excellent City,

For ppl saying it has no history.. every city has to start somewhere! Dubai has done very well for itself!

[pottebaum]

what the hell is wrong with a city looking futuristic, you guys are just coming up with any reason to bash dubai it's so pathetic. If you don't want a modern futuristic city stick to europe and leave N. America, Asia and S. America alone

check out this thread to see how great the city is

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=203571&page=1&pp=20

That's just the thing, though. Dubai doesn't look very futuristic to me---or maybe my image of the future is just different than yours.

[Raw Deal]

1. no history
2. no high culture(high art etc.)
3. mediocre culture(popular music, night life, cafe culture, films:do they even make movies there?, fake international restaurants etc)
4. NO IDENTITY!!!
Very overrated in my opinion.
It will find its identity in 15 years,
no need to rush for the glory,
just let it happen.

[bustero]

I don't know if it's over rated but since i've not been there but it sure has too much spin.

[rt_0891]

It's threads like these that makes it over-rated. If you're happy with your city, there's no need freaking out about the opinions of others. ...the insecurity is shocking. That's not how a great city should react.

[luv2bebrown]

its not that we're insecure.

in my case, it just makes me sad that people think of my home as nothing but a construction site, when i know that is not the truth.

[juiced]

Why is this thread locked ? http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=3963057#post3963057

[Q-TIP]

Guys narrow them down to three reasons please , even if you have a ton of reasons. thanks

Cant find one....coz i havent been there to experience it first hand.

^ Most of the replies you will get are opinions, and not experieces to Dubai.

[Sen]

on SSC many people think it;s overrated because people need to time to digest new things, because most people dont know where Dubai is before they came to SSC and suddenly dubai projects are just popping up everywhere and they are like WTF?

however outside SSC dubai is underrated, it's rarely mentioned anywhere and most people are ignorant of the great transformation taking place there. They think all Middle East is just oil and terrorist which is definitely untrue.

[AltinD]

Why is this thread locked ? http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=3963057#post3963057

Well, the last post in there "explains" a lot :bash:

[shibuya_suki]

1.too many people said it will become or try to surpass mjor highrise city like hk or nyc soon,how can they have more highrise than both in cup of years? if they can,what about population?can it reach 7million in a cup of years? its already a major hub in dubai,but compare many great city now,is so overrated....it take long time,more than at least 10 years,and try to compare major city.....

2.why they build so many supertall? can you tell me? is so lack of land to develop CBD?so make them extremely high?or government want to increase the living density to suport so many high rise?

3.beside the landmark building,the rest of residential is quiet normal,some people think this styless copy and paste building even better than nyc condo because of modern,i dont think so....and i think overall city image is not quiet impressive and so modern as many people described.....

[Erezl8]

1. I think that this city looks just to "gr8", really... all the simcity 4000 cities that built with the money chet are like that. don't you thik?

[Erezl8]

2. (sorry about the split) This boom of construction in this town will bring only one consequence- 50% of the buldings will be empty!!! The city don't have the power of other gr8 cities like nyc or hk, her fule is the money and not the international-economic power!!!

[You are to blame]

^ wrong, the buildings are sold out before they are finished being built and there is a shortage of housing in dubai dispite the amazing amount of construction

[planet urrranus]

overrated? dubai is, in fact, underrated.

[shibuya_suki]

i dont know the market of house and office in dubbai now,thanks to to somebody tell me.....

if dubai contionus its bomming,after cup of years,the city with huge and massive highrise like all 100m+ like hong kong ,and popluation just up to 2million or something,dont tell me that the vaccany of both office and residential are very high.....

[AltinD]

Alot of apartments and vilas, especially sea and water facing, are bought as holiday homes.

The Spanish coast, the French Riviera, Miami Beach, Toscana region in Italy, Monaco are some of the most famous places on earth where peoples buys holiday homes. Dubai wants just to take part of the pie.

Afterall, as a British forumer, who's living in Monaco and had bought a penthouse on top of one of the Dubai Marina tower, said: There are 1 Million British that have bought properties in France. Now imagine if just 1% of them buys in Dubai, you have 10,000 units sold.

[shibuya_suki]

is it want to become resort like monaco or major city.or both? :)

[Küsel]

It's beautiful, but Skyscrapers and artificial islands that look nice alone don't make it necessarily an "important center"...

[DUBAI]

1] dubai is underrated by a lot of people who live their [until they leave]
2]Dubai is overrated by a lot of the worlds media, and especiualy by marketing companies in dubai
3]Dubai takes a lot of abuse and is underated by most of SSC [there are some people who respect it outside of the UAE forums though.]

[Küsel]

Sorry, underrated by SSC is ridiculous. I have been the forum for 4 years or so now and am a member since 6-7 months and especially in the UC section Dubai had always a high reputation and post traffic (maybe it changed now). There is hardly any city more interesting in urban planning and development than Dubai at the moment (maybe Shanghai comes close).

[DUBAI]

Yes, as far as contruction goes.....when it comes to opinion, a lot of people are far more willing to bash than admire¬!

[hngcm]

The people who say that Dubai will be up there with NYC, HK, Paris, London, Tokyo, in a couple of years.

[huaiwei]

It's threads like these that makes it over-rated. If you're happy with your city, there's no need freaking out about the opinions of others. ...the insecurity is shocking. That's not how a great city should react.
That is precisely what I felt personally.

When people note disparaties between said ambitions and aspirations, and what has actually been accomplished, that is often where "overrated" commentaries start to flood in. Both variables can be adjusted to stem these nagative comments: Either by toning down on over-zealous declarations on said ambitions, or by making sure the output does indeed match those said ambitions.

Dubai has set the benchmark that high for itself, inclusive of the behavior of many forumers over here. Meet that benchmark, and your detractors will have to eat their words. Fail to meet it, and you can expect the brickbats to continue unabated.

[smussuw]

^ I lost intrest in reading ur posts.

[huaiwei]

Its alright. I write for a wider, more intellectual, and more appreciative audience.

[smussuw]

Its alright. I write for a wider, more intellectual, and more appreciative audience.

I am sure that most of them will follow me.

[AltinD]

^ To bad your more "appreciative" audience, from that not far away city, with whoom you're waisting no oportunity to debate with, seams to has lost interest as well lately. :D

[AltinD]

BTW, my coment was directed to huaiwei

[smussuw]

I guess two are on the list now.

[MILIUX]

Does Dubai has culture? I mean sports, lifestyle, theatre, whatever.

[shibuya_suki]

dubai people seems like they cannot accept any negative comment from outside.....
nobody want to bash dubai,but it started to have its position in the world now...but there are still incomplete for the city to compare most city in entire world....their opinion is respectable,and there are no jealosury to dubai....many of them have been dubai, and travel so many place as they want...so their opinion is respectable...

if the citizen cannot accept any opinion from outside(both positive and negative),and just said they are great and surpass something because of tons project and economic developmaent,is naive.....

besides the economic and the cover image of city,there are many things which is not mature and well known by entire world,still have to build up the international image and reputation,
reputaion build nedd so long time,so there are still much bashing and negative comment from outside ,its so common in any new city,not towards dubai only,but in shanghai,etc.....

[Dubai_Boy]

Shibuya , dont tell people how we dubai forumers think and feel !!! i think they can can make their own minds up

We welcome all positive and negative comments about Dubai , however , when people say dubai is fake , dubai has No culture , Dubai has no identity, dubai has no chance of becoming anything in the world , we tend to respond by creating threads like these .

OK

[AltinD]

^ Especially when those people have never been to Dubai and haven't even heard of it before signing in on this forum.

(shibuya_suki: many of them have NOT been to Dubai)

[DUBAI]

well a lot of the opinions that people have are based on one or two photographs which they looked at for 2 seconds. tall buildings and desert.....hahahahahahahaha!
well even i would laugh, but they miss the city around these buildings.

before i went to new york i had a short list of expectations, in this order.

1]the statue of liberty.
2] to be mugged/assulted/robbed.
3]loads of skyscrapers.
4]strip clubs and peep shows.

this was based on tv and photos.

having been there i realise how wrong i was.

i can understand why all these people have opinions of dubai like they do, and the frustrations of people who have been to dubai with preconceptions which are a long way from the truth.

threads like this attempt to correct peoples preconceptions, but they end up making people more firmly set in their thoughts than before.

[Talbot]

IMO, I don't think Dubai is overrated. I'm just worried what will happen if they can't fill all of those buildings and go into a major bust.

But I do think it's a cool city.

[Tom_Green]

I don`t think Dubai is overrated. But it is not underrated, too. Japan and China are underrated in this forum but for a city with 1.000.000 people Dubai is very well known city here. But the image of Dubai ís not okay. Dubai is a real, interesting city. The people there are as nice as in Japan. The city is not fake.

What i have seen during my visit:
The problem with the tourist who visiting Dubai is that they see Dubai as a beach resort. 20 people been in my bus. We travelled to a hotel in Dubai Marina. I was the only one who was interested in the construction.
I was in the WTC to go at 4:30 (the only termin on a day) to the observation deck. I was the only one but it was really impressive.
I want to say that even the people who visting Dubai have a wrong image of the city.

[huaiwei]

Shibuya , dont tell people how we dubai forumers think and feel !!! i think they can can make their own minds up
I am sure that most of them will follow me.
Hmm....
We welcome all positive and negative comments about Dubai , however , when people say dubai is fake , dubai has No culture , Dubai has no identity, dubai has no chance of becoming anything in the world , we tend to respond by creating threads like these .

OK
Oh I sure hoped that was true, but I ended up being dissapointed as well...again. My post makes no mention of whether it is fake or not, yet receives some anal retentive commentary by two beings who appear to be displaying a handicap in interpreting a perfectly nuetral comment...or something close.

I hope that isnt reflective of Dubai high-culture? I still have confidence that it isnt. Dont destroy this last strand of hope...please.

[_alonso_]

best reason for Dubai to be overrated:
second Disneyland is being built.

[Tom_Green]

I hope that isnt reflective of Dubai high-culture? I still have confidence that it isnt. Dont destroy this last strand of hope...please.

Okay let`s discuss with me. I am an outsider from Germany. I don`t plan to buy an apartment in Dubai. I was for 3 days in the city. Okay i don`t know everything but i will be honest. So you can ask me about the city and i will answear your questions or you tell me what do you think about Dubai and i tell you what is right or wrong.

[rt_0891]

I want to say that even the people who visting Dubai have a wrong image of the city.

The problem is that the Dubai-UAE Tourist Assocations only seems to use this selling point to mass market its tourist appeal...

[Dubai_Boy]

Huaiwei , how about you step down off of your high horse first ?

[juiced]

best reason for Dubai to be overrated:
second Disneyland is being built.

A second Disneyland is NOT being built

[huaiwei]

Huaiwei , how about you step down off of your high horse first ?
I cant ride a horse. Perhaps you might point out how I do it?

[huaiwei]

Okay let`s discuss with me. I am an outsider from Germany. I don`t plan to buy an apartment in Dubai. I was for 3 days in the city. Okay i don`t know everything but i will be honest. So you can ask me about the city and i will answear your questions or you tell me what do you think about Dubai and i tell you what is right or wrong.
Hmm...I asked this before and no one answered. What is the food like in Dubai? Is there such a thing as Dubai Cuisine?

[AltinD]

^ No, there isn't a Dubai cuisine, but you can find here any kind of cuisine restaurant, even a couple of Singaporians.

[_alonso_]

^^^ this just shows, that Dubai is a town with no identity. but I would like to visit it, I am pretty sure, I wouldn't be less excited that visiting Disneyland.

[luv2bebrown]

^^^ this just shows, that Dubai is a town with no identity. but I would like to visit it, I am pretty sure, I wouldn't be less excited that visiting Disneyland.

there is a local "cuisine" which i know has a lot of fish and rice. (am i correct?)
you can also find camel kebabs in the border towns (UAE/Oman) and other places.
but because teh city is diverse unlike other cities, people don't all eat the same thing.


is there such a thing as chicago cuisine?
what about toronto cuisine?
washington dc cuisine?
machester cuisine?
portland cuisine?
Orlando cuisine?
what's seattle cuisine like?
what about london cuisine?
sydney cuisine?


your statement just shows that your desperately looking for excuses to bash dubai

[DUBAI]

^good point :lol:

its mostly arabic cusine, lots of seafood but with influences from iran, and the subcontinent.

[AltinD]

^^^ this just shows, that Dubai is a town with no identity. but I would like to visit it, I am pretty sure, I wouldn't be less excited that visiting Disneyland.

And what cuisine your tiny country has? I was seeing yesterday on Deutsche Welle a reportagge about a Italina guy importing Italian delicacies to Lithuania (proschiuto, olive oil, cheese, bacon etc).

He said up to e few years ago, the above food items were not allowed in the country and if they cought you with those they send you in jail.

How good should be a local cuisine if it feels threatened by a piece of cheese or bacon with a drop of olive oil. :runaway:

[Locust]

I think it is not Dubai's fault for being presumably underrated....

It is the WHOLE region.....
The middle eastern political, cultural, etc. is not necesarily a magnet to people
outside of the region..

Dubai will get proper recognition, only when the region (middle east) can shed
all the negative image attached to it.

[Locust]

the strong image (true or not I don't know) that we can not even:

+eat pork...
+drink alcoholic beverage and party
+walk on the beach with your girlfriend...

instead settle for:
+eat lamb (I hate it) and incredible conservative cuisine(compared to asian)
+drink tea and stay inside.
+your woman is draped in a `manto' head to toe....

jeez... who would feel like to come to a middle eastern city were it not
for bussiness?

[_alonso_]

ok, I think we lost the point;) my comment

^^^ this just shows, that Dubai is a town with no identity.

came after Altind_Carnut's comment:

^ No, there isn't a Dubai cuisine, but you can find here any kind of cuisine restaurant, even a couple of Singaporians.

for me it looks weird, when people in the first place try to emphasize "oh, yes, we have everything here, dishes from all over the world!!!" instead of saying "you know, it is a new, modern town, where in addition of Arabian cuisine, you could find many others".
it seems, that Dubai tryes to delete everything, that Arabians could be proud of. for me, who is used to see people, loving their traditions, it is quite strange to see here people worshiping town, which is full of everything and at the same time - of nothing. it becomes cosmopolitan city, however (sorry, for repeating myself) - without any identification, what would make tourists admire this city.
you know how I could call it? kitsch..same, as Disneyland or Legoland, just for grown people.
but I would love to go to Dubai and see all unreal projects being realised there. I don't claim, that it wouldn't be worth to visit it:)

talking about Lithuanian cuisine..you know that that "Deutsche Welle a reportagge about a Italina guy importing Italian delicacies to Lithuania" is just crap. it would sound as if Lithuania would be 3rd World country. we have also all kinds of cuisines. however, our native cuisine is really adorable. and it is one of the things here, that foreigners always highly commend.


however, I represent here not only Lithuania, but Norway too, since I live here;)

cheers :cheers:

[Tom_Green]

Hmm...I asked this before and no one answered. What is the food like in Dubai? Is there such a thing as Dubai Cuisine?

Ups sorry i have forgotten this.
I am not an cuisine expert. I eat during my trips only fast food. I ate in Mc Donalds during my visits in Dubai, Japan and China >_<
I think i would eat Mc Donalds stuff in Singapore, too.
Sorry >_<

[Locust]

can you have burger with bacon?

I love Bacon, Salami, Sausage made with pig blood and intestine).....
and I also like alcoholic beverages and would like to socialize with local girls...

Is that possible in Dubai? or do I have to fear of being stoned in public?

[Dubai_Boy]

can you have burger with bacon?

I love Bacon, Salami, Sausage made with pig blood and intestine).....
and I also like alcoholic beverages and would like to socialize with local girls...

Is that possible in Dubai? or do I have to fear of being stoned in public?

you can eat and drink whatever you want , but that comment you said about the girls of my contry is unacceptable , and it just shows how immature and inconsiderate you are towards other peoples culture and relegion

What is a man worth if he has no respect for others ?

[Locust]

that's my point....

you can have a city `properly rated' not only you have mega
structure high rise buildings... but a culture OPEN and interesting
by interantional standards.

[lumpia]

this is quite a useless and quite patronising thread i think. its a breeding ground for misunderstandings and possible hatred...

@Dubai_Boy, firstly, if u throw a question like "why do u hate dubai?" at ppl, then it is only natural that those ppl will do nothing but try to answer it...

@ Everyone Else: now, i've been to Dubai and know some ppl from there. It is a beautiful city in its own way; just like London, Tokyo, Kuala Lumpur or Hong Kong are in their own ways... I have no issues with it.. but it surprises me that many of you here do have many issues with it... it looks like u only write reasons down because u beleive u have to, even while not actually believing or justifying them.. so just THINK before u post something so stupid as a list on why u would HATE a whole city, its infrastructure, its u/c's, its hopes of development, and ultimately, its people.. just think!

i'm done... g'nite

[EightAce]

I'm British and have lived everywhere in the U.K, and most U.K cities are really sh*tty places to live, i'm in Newcastle at the mo and it's really depressing, you see scummy people all the time, tramps and druggies, and this sub-species of human that we call Chav's, you see blood, vomit, spit, dropped kebabs and sh*t all over the streets, it's local culture has been subsumed by nightclubs and fast food franchises, it's no different to anywhere else in the U.K, and the crime level is high, Dubai is clean, cheap, very civilised, very strong national culture, minimal crime so i want to move to Dubai, it's as simple as that, and i've stayed in Belfast, Florence, Aachen, Amsterdam and loads of places, but i rate Dubai best out of all so there you go, end of my ranting, apologies due

[Azn_chi_boi]

is there such a thing as chicago cuisine?


Actually yes...

Chicago deep dish pizza.
Chicago style Hot Dog...
Chicago's Italain Beef
Chicago cheesecake.....etc...

http://www.davincis.us/deep_dish.jpg https://www.beefvilla.com/images/Hot_Dog_Fancy_4_web.gif
http://www.paulreverespizza.com/graphics/BEEF.jpg
http://imagescommerce.bcentral.com/merchantfiles/4898255/CCH01A.jpg

[SUNNI]

id kill for that cheese cake :drool:

[AltinD]

the strong image (true or not I don't know) that we can not even:

+eat pork...
+drink alcoholic beverage and party
+walk on the beach with your girlfriend...

instead settle for:
+eat lamb (I hate it) and incredible conservative cuisine(compared to asian)
+drink tea and stay inside.
+your woman is draped in a `manto' head to toe....

jeez... who would feel like to come to a middle eastern city were it not
for bussiness?

You can eat pork, you can have a drink at a party and you can walk on the beach or everywhere else with your girlfriend. Just remind her NOT to remove the top of her bikinis and refrein from making out in public.

Is that enough as answer. :sleepy:

[AltinD]

id kill for that cheese cake :drool:

... and I thought cheese was not part of Eastern Asia cuisine :D

[KGB]

What's enjoyable about a city to me, is not the government sponsered and regulated whatever...but the unrestricted and endless miscelaneous urbana.

And I'm afraid Dubai just don't cut it...not even a bit.







"You can eat pork, you can have a drink at a party and you can walk on the beach or everywhere else with your girlfriend."


WOW!!!!!


Sure you don't need a permit or something???






KGB

[_alonso_]

Actually yes...

Chicago deep dish pizza.
Chicago style Hot Dog...
Chicago's Italain Beef
Chicago cheesecake.....etc...

you bastard!!! now I started starving and must go to find some snacks :bash:

[AltinD]

..."You can eat pork, you can have a drink at a party and you can walk on the beach or everywhere else with your girlfriend."

WOW!!!!!

Sure you don't need a permit or something???

KGB

I don't understand why you keep asking questions, when you don't listen and keep ignoring the ansers you get.

[smussuw]

Huaiwei , how about you step down off of your high horse first ?

I guess now we are 3 who are not intrested in reading Huwaiwei posts.

[juiced]

What's enjoyable about a city to me, is not the government sponsered and regulated whatever...but the unrestricted and endless miscelaneous urbana.

And I'm afraid Dubai just don't cut it...not even a bit.







"You can eat pork, you can have a drink at a party and you can walk on the beach or everywhere else with your girlfriend."


WOW!!!!!


Sure you don't need a permit or something???






KGB


:lol: :lol:

[KGB]

"I don't understand why you keep asking questions"

Perhaps when you figure out that I'm not really asking questions, it'll all start making more sense.

Which reminds me of another very important reason why I find Dubai unbearable...no sense of irony.





KGB

[AltinD]

^ End you found that out by trolling Dubai roads and ironyising with the "empty, soulless, fake" buildings?

[huaiwei]

^ No, there isn't a Dubai cuisine, but you can find here any kind of cuisine restaurant, even a couple of Singaporians.
Wow...this thread is still alive...and quite interesting how my question on food evolves into another round of disputes.

Well, I honestly know little of Arabic cuisine, and hence I wondered if Dubai, or the UAE, has adapted food such that they become specialities of the city/emirates, in the way some major cities do. Afterall, should I fly to Dubai, I will be trying to check out its "local food", and not potentially inauthentic Singaporean food or macdonalds. I have noticed relatively little talk on food there, hence my question.

[DeiraBoy]

There isnt a DUBAIAN cuisine because there is no cuisine specific to ONE city, but we all know very well that there's Arabic cuisine. It varies from region to region rather than by country or by city and so you'll find many regions share some things and some don't. What people eat here traditionally is available in many places in the UAE. There are many places too that offer specialities of the Gulf. This includes dishes such as Mandi, Kabseh, Ghoozi and many more. There are many traditional restaurants (sometimes referred to as traditional kitchens). As for UAE specialities, there is the Biryani (this differs from the Indian type, although shares the name) Fogah, Herees, Erseyeh. As for sweets there are Lgaymat, Labwah and more. Many people in the Gulf also eat similar stuff, but they differ in the ways the dishes are prepared and so on.

[KingWest]

Building high rises is easy, regardless of height. There is no technical difficulty there. Simply by imitating the appearance of a great city doesn't make one a great city. A baby wearing an adult suit doesn't make it an adult. A great city is backed by a sound economic system and many other things.

There is no instant great city. It will take time and it's still too early to give any rating to a baby like Dubai. So there is no such thing as overrated/underrated for Dubai.

[wickedestcity]

"you bastard!!! now I started starving and must go to find some snacks "

g-d am i drooling now......ggggggggghhh !! thank g-d i live in chicago

[planet urrranus]

Dubaians deserves to achieve its aspirations and that includes its rapid attempt to change its physical environment. It certainly has a culture and although not as widely adopted elsewhere, there is a consensus among their peoples that what they practice and preach daily is Dubaian and only Dubaian. Some people tend to be judgmental, nervous and envious when development occurs elsewhere other than theirs. And if the competition becomes real, how else would they react?

[huaiwei]

There isnt a DUBAIAN cuisine because there is no cuisine specific to ONE city, but we all know very well that there's Arabic cuisine. It varies from region to region rather than by country or by city and so you'll find many regions share some things and some don't. What people eat here traditionally is available in many places in the UAE. There are many places too that offer specialities of the Gulf. This includes dishes such as Mandi, Kabseh, Ghoozi and many more. There are many traditional restaurants (sometimes referred to as traditional kitchens). As for UAE specialities, there is the Biryani (this differs from the Indian type, although shares the name) Fogah, Herees, Erseyeh. As for sweets there are Lgaymat, Labwah and more. Many people in the Gulf also eat similar stuff, but they differ in the ways the dishes are prepared and so on.
Any pictures please? The Biryani dish you talk about sounds like Briyani in this part of the world. :D

[DeiraBoy]

Any pictures please? The Biryani dish you talk about sounds like Briyani in this part of the world. :D

Sorry I wasn't able to find pictures online, only recipes and even then only in Arabic, so you won't understand them. You see I'm currenty in the UK, should be back home in a month inshallah when I should be able to take pictures of the dishes mentioned because we eat that at home. Meanwhile, I'll be searching online, and feel free to ask other users from the UAE, I think Dubai_Boy, Bin Dubai and smussuw should be able to help, being Emiratis themselves.

Any other questions? :)

[Urban Girl]

about the thread;
i dont think Dubai is so overrated(maybe a little bit). why some people against to developing countries, or why they dont want to see developed cities around the world.
Dubaians trying to improve their city and want to build a developed modern city. and i think they are doing good job(but im only talking about infrastructure of dubai;) )
their projects, their skyscrapers are one of the bests in the world. people need to congratulate them about this subject. threads like overrated, underrated etc.. are pointless, i think.

[EleGance]

i agree dubai doing very well though

[huaiwei]

Sorry I wasn't able to find pictures online, only recipes and even then only in Arabic, so you won't understand them. You see I'm currenty in the UK, should be back home in a month inshallah when I should be able to take pictures of the dishes mentioned because we eat that at home. Meanwhile, I'll be searching online, and feel free to ask other users from the UAE, I think Dubai_Boy, Bin Dubai and smussuw should be able to help, being Emiratis themselves.

Any other questions? :)
Icic..thanks, and I will be looking forward to those pictures! :D

Other questions...hmmm... What do they think of Chinese folks? :D

[Hed Kandi]

I do have that internet hype feeling when i see the projects in dubai.
If you want to create an oase for the tourist that can work but if it fails the losses will be huge foor the local people.

[lumpia]

... and I thought cheese was not part of Eastern Asia cuisine :Ddoes it have to be "Eastern Asia cuisine" (whatever THAT's meant to be) for someone from East Asia to like it??

[pottebaum]

People here (SSC) rate Dubai so highly mainly because of the skyscrapers. But, in reality, people of western countries aren't really that interested in high structures any more. They're really cool, but hardly what makes a city famous.

[AltinD]

Other questions...hmmm... What do they think of Chinese folks? :D

That depends on the kind of relations they have.

Me, for instance, have very close and special relation to a representative of that group ... if you know what I mean. :runaway:

[DeiraBoy]

@ huaiwei - what do they think of chinese folk? hmm...i'll be honest here, some are alright with them like our friend Altind seems to be :runaway:
others seem to have this view that China is a dirty place, outbreak of SARS didn't do its image any good u see, but thats China only. I know MANY people who love visiting the far east and have been to places like Japan, Singapore, Malaysia, Thailand and Indonesia. I know many too who were previously Europhiles but after visiting those places just stopped travelling to Europe and went for Asia instead, they loved it that much. I personally haven't been to any places east of the UAE (although one day i hope to), but I have a Singaporean friend, who incidentally is of Chinese origin and he HATES China. I however, respect the Singaporeans. I respect how theyre clean, organised and friendly as my good friend is. Most of his friends are the same too so thats how Singapores picture is painted in my mind at the moment. :)

[CborG]

It's like dutch vinex on steroids!!!

[huaiwei]

@ huaiwei - what do they think of chinese folk? hmm...i'll be honest here, some are alright with them like our friend Altind seems to be :runaway:
others seem to have this view that China is a dirty place, outbreak of SARS didn't do its image any good u see, but thats China only. I know MANY people who love visiting the far east and have been to places like Japan, Singapore, Malaysia, Thailand and Indonesia. I know many too who were previously Europhiles but after visiting those places just stopped travelling to Europe and went for Asia instead, they loved it that much. I personally haven't been to any places east of the UAE (although one day i hope to), but I have a Singaporean friend, who incidentally is of Chinese origin and he HATES China. I however, respect the Singaporeans. I respect how theyre clean, organised and friendly as my good friend is. Most of his friends are the same too so thats how Singapores picture is painted in my mind at the moment. :)
Oh Altind...haha. I wonder if its close enough to produce little Altinds? :D

Hm..not too surprised about those impressions of ethnic Chinese. But as for your Singaporean friend, I am curious. You mean he was a recent migrant to Singapore and became a citizen/PR, or a Singaporean who is ethnic Chinese but has basically had generations living in Singapore already?

[DeiraBoy]

oh no he is ethnic chinese and was born and raised in singapore and has had generations living in Singapore

[huaiwei]

oh no he is ethnic chinese and was born and raised in singapore and has had generations living in Singapore
Now that makes sense then. :D I can tell you the "Mainland Chinese", ie, Chiense nationals who are in Singapore for various reasons are sometimes looked upon negatively, but for slightly different reasons. Mainland Chinese men tend to come here uneducated and uncouth, and work as construction or other blue collor jobs, so they are sometimes viewed in the same way as Bangladeshi workers, for example.

Mainland Chinese women are often viewed with suspicion, because they suffer from negative publicity. There has been much talk on "Paidu mamas"...the mums who accompany their children to Singapore, and who often take on temporary jobs here. The problem is there is a social prejudice that many of them go into prostitution (which has a certain degree of truth), and they are also often seen as the "scarlet women" who break up otherwise wholesome and happy families. Indeed, stories of these women coming to Singapore, marrying a local Chinese man, squanddering his money away, and than asking for a divorce or simply dissapearing is quite common place. One such story just appeared in our national papers yesterday!

http://www.asia1.com.sg/st/st_20050508_315737.html

As for the younger Mainland Chinese who often come here for studies, they often present themselves as major competitors, who often excel academically and give local students a run for their money. In my varsity, for example, Chinese and Indian nationals regularly sweep the first class honours degrees in the engineering and IT related faculties, much to the chagrin of locals who complain over supposed "unfairness".

It dosent help that these students, quite a number of whom are on Singapore government scholarships which bonds them to work here for a period of time, are also often depicted as being ungrateful to the country which hosted them and paid for their education, and who leave the country as soon as they can with no intentions to give anything back to their benefectors.

Of coz, there are always scorns of the earth, but there are also angels. But sadly, human society tends to concentrate on the negative, and they are an obviously victim to this. I personally have interacted with quite a number of these Chinese nationals, and I see far more diversity then any of these discriminations and presuptions against them would led us to believe initially.

A waste, I must say.

Whoopps....I am talking too long. But yeah, that was kinda why I asked the question on the impressions of ethnic Chinese in Dubai. I do wonder if such strong sentiments exists towards people in the far east! :D

[huaiwei]

I better post that article before it goes offline in a few hour's time. :D

Beware of my wicked wife
By Ng Mei Yan
May 8, 2005

FURIOUS with his wife for wiping out his life savings of $100,000 and then walking out on him, a 58-year-old man decided to shame the China woman in public.

Mr Tan, a former odd-job worker, put up five posters on community billboards near the Clementi, Outram Park and Commonwealth MRT stations last Monday, asking people not to be taken in by his 'wicked' wife, who is good at 'sweet talk'.

The posters, handwritten and then photocopied onto A4-size paper, include a photograph of the 49-year-old woman. Her full name, address in China and passport number are also listed.

He chose the three locations because these were places she frequented, he told The Sunday Times.

Although the posters have been taken down, he is not bothered.

'It's okay, I can put up more,' he said during an interview at his two-room rental flat near Havelock Road.

Mr Tan, whom we cannot name in full for legal reasons, said he has not seen his wife since she packed up and left in January, leaving him with just $1,000 in their joint bank account.

She has disconnected her mobile phone line. In his efforts to locate her, he has tried asking her niece, her friends in Singapore and her relatives in China, but no one knows where she is.

When asked why he hasn't made a missing persons report, he said: 'It's no use! She's bent on hiding from everyone.'

He wasn't always so bitter.

Mr Tan, who has a son and a daughter from a previous marriage, said he met the woman in 1999 at a bus stop in Ghim Moh. She was jogging and he was on his way to work.

The divorcee, who has a grown-up son, was in Singapore on a one-month social visit pass to visit friends.

'We clicked, so we kept in touch,' he said.

Days after they met, he took her home to see his bedridden mother, and she offered to take care of the elderly woman while he was at work.

Soon, she suggested getting married, but he made her promise him three things first.

'I told her, if you want to marry me, you must stick with me through thick and thin, you cannot cheat me of my money, and you have to help look after my mother,' he said.

About a month after they had met, they got married.

Their old neighbours in Commonwealth, where they used to live, said the woman was friendly, but added that they sometimes heard the couple arguing.

One neighbour, a 42-year-old sales coordinator, said: 'She dressed very sexily in high heels and spaghetti-strap tops even when she was only going to the market.'

But a 54-year-old gardener said: 'She was very friendly to the neighbours. It is hard to think of her as a scheming woman.'

Mr Tan said his wife started taking money from him in 2000, after she became a permanent resident. She would withdraw money from their joint account, sometimes with permission and sometimes without.

There was the $10,000 she needed to pay off her son's gambling debts in China, then $30,000 for his wedding, and money to rebuild her parents' tombs and to buy shares.

He said the nest egg was made up of his savings, and the $70,000 he got from selling the Commonwealth flat after his mother moved into a nursing home.

He added: 'She always managed to get her way because she would cry and threaten to kill herself if I did not give her the money or said I wanted the money back.

'My heart is too soft.'

Last September, Mr Tan claimed, she threatened to kill him after he asked her to return some money to him.

Court documents show that she was charged with criminal intimidation, but he said he asked for the charge to be dropped as he still cared for her.

Then came the final straw. In December, she withdrew $19,000 from the dwindling bank account, leaving Mr Tan with only $1,000. They had a big row when he found out and she moved out.

'I was so mad. She took away money meant for my medication and for my mother's funeral in the future,' he said.

Mr Tan suffers from coronary heart disease and a spinal condition that makes his limbs weak.

Because of his health problems, he stopped working eight months ago.

His brother-in-law, 67, who wanted to be known only as Mr Leow, now helps him out by occasionally giving him some money.

'I keep telling him that he's not that old,' he said. 'He can still take up some jobs that are not physically demanding.'

But Mr Tan said: 'I can't get my money back. I am sick and I can't work. I am as good as dead.'

[Dhakar Odhibashi]

ofcourse SINGAPORE..very friendly country , suitable to all ethnic group.


I can tell you the "Mainland Chinese", ie, Chiense nationals who are in Singapore for various reasons are sometimes looked upon negatively, but for slightly different reasons. Mainland Chinese men tend to come here uneducated and uncouth, and work as construction or other blue collor jobs, so they are sometimes viewed in the same way as Bangladeshi workers, for example.



now huaiwei I'm deeply offended by your comments. Quite a constrast to the beautiful singapore that appears in the various shots, isn't it? Any explanations?

Anniyan's comments are proven wrong without a shadow of a doubt. Huaiwei, frankly I'm having a hard time not hurling obscenities at your ******* nation....you get the drift, just from the ****** out words, right?

Singapore's the only racist nation that I've heard of in modern times. It's a total total total shame....in this day and age, for someone to openly proclaim the way you do about others.....shame on you..

[panamared]

Its only overrated because its seems like its nothing for miles, then a cluster of tall ugly buildings, then nothing again. What is so great about the city really.


tall ugly buildings???? are u kidding???? this is a great city and have better buildings then nyc .

[huaiwei]

now huaiwei I'm deeply offended by your comments. Quite a constrast to the beautiful singapore that appears in the various shots, isn't it? Any explanations?

Anniyan's comments are proven wrong without a shadow of a doubt. Huaiwei, frankly I'm having a hard time not hurling obscenities at your ******* nation....you get the drift, just from the ****** out words, right?

Singapore's the only racist nation that I've heard of in modern times. It's a total total total shame....in this day and age, for someone to openly proclaim the way you do about others.....shame on you..
And could you tell me in what way should my comments offend you?

I simply relate how Chinese nationals are sometimes being viewed amongst the populance here. Sometimes....ie, not all the time, not towards all Chinese nationals, and not by every Singaporean. You seem to take my comments completely out of context, dont you?

[Dhakar Odhibashi]

And could you tell me in what way should my comments offend you?

I simply relate how Chinese nationals are sometimes being viewed amongst the populance here. Sometimes....ie, not all the time, not towards all Chinese nationals, and not by every Singaporean. You seem to take my comments completely out of context, dont you?


I can tell you the "Mainland Chinese", ie, Chiense nationals who are in Singapore for various reasons are sometimes looked upon negatively, but for slightly different reasons. Mainland Chinese men tend to come here uneducated and uncouth, and work as construction or other blue collor jobs, so they are sometimes viewed in the same way as Bangladeshi workers, for example.

What did you mean by "..they are sometimes viewed in the same way as Bangladeshi workers, for example..."? How do Singaporeans view Bangladeshis?

What I gathered from your comment was Singaporeans discriminate against Bangladeshis on account of their nationality alone.

I am surprised you have the gall to open your mouth even after being from a nation that is openly racist.

[UnitedPakistan]

Gwadar is coming which will be a strategic port

[smussuw]

^ No offence but can I know what does tha above have to do with the discussion?

[UnitedPakistan]

Errm seems like i hit the post reply button in the wrong window

anyway dubai is not overated infact its underated!

BUT Pakistanis overate dubai

[smussuw]

What a quick post thanx.

[huaiwei]

What did you mean by "..they are sometimes viewed in the same way as Bangladeshi workers, for example..."? How do Singaporeans view Bangladeshis?

What I gathered from your comment was Singaporeans discriminate against Bangladeshis on account of their nationality alone.

I am surprised you have the gall to open your mouth even after being from a nation that is openly racist.
I state what I observe, and yes, that is precisely what happens here. Singaporeans do have a tendency of showing discrimination against foreign construction workers in general, because of perceived notions of them commiting crimes and harrasing women (yet statistics show they hardly do so any more often than other social groups). For Bangladeshis and South Asians in particular, their perceived lack of personal hygiene, and their usage of certain oils in their hair puts off locals, and that even includes local ethnic Indians.

But I must point out one important disclaimer. If a Bangladeshi comes to Singapore as a well dressed and well groomed person, it is unlikely for him to face similar discrimination. The same thing for Indians, many of whom also come here as professionals and tourists. I see it more as an example of discrimination against blue collor workers and those engaging in menual work, and the accompany impressions of dirt, poverty and uncivilised behavior (whether true or otherwise). It is not so much of nationality alone. As I said above, Chinese nationals who come here as labourers and construction workers often face similar discrimination. But when they come as students and such, they tend to face discrimination for a different reason, provided discrimination does take place.

No society, country, or city on earth is immune from discrimination or even racism. This, most of us know and accept by now. I am surprised you are insisting that I keep my mouth shut and abstain from discussing this just because I am from a "nation that is openly racist." Could you mind explaining this logic? As I say, I will say what I observe. How does it make things better by keeping quiet about it? Isnt that a sign of accepting and condorning racism and discrimination?

[DeiraBoy]

BUT Pakistanis overate dubai

lol i can imagine...

[_alonso_]

lol, only now I realised what a freak the author of this thread must be;)

the heading is: "List 3 reasons why you think DUBAI is overrated". people answer to the question, and afterwards threre come dubaians with curses, because of insulting their city.

LOL, once again!

[null]

where's dubai?

[null]

@huaiwei

歧视在哪里都有，东南亚人（包括汉人）在中国大陆也会遭到歧视

很多北方人视东南亚人（有时甚至包括中国南部的一些省份的居民）为“畸形人”，认为他们是“黑、瘦、小、穷和未开化”的代名词

对于这个情况我是知道的，但一直羞于言表...

[DeiraBoy]

@ alonso: loool...WE DONT TAKE CRITICISM WELL ok?!?...actually we take none at all :D :D ... i think Dubai_Boy intended for this thread to educate those who had distorted views of Dubai based purely on what they think rather than what they KNOW about Dubai. This is good, but not everything turns out as intended...but i think it has helped in educating more and more about the real dubai

and to prove that dubais underrated...

where's dubai?
...lol

[null]

what's so funny about it?

[DeiraBoy]

oh...sorry thought u were making a joke there...lol

Dubai is one of seven Emirates that form the country, the United Arab Emirates (UAE). The UAE is located in the middle east and is one of six Gulf states. It shares borders with Oman and Saudi Arabia.

[null]

tks for the info.

i dont know about Dubai because we call it 'Dibai' in Chinese:D

[Alfred]

Dubai is overrated because:
1. Looks can be decieving...I mean it looks good, but remember 30 years ago the arabs there were camel herders.

2. No substance. Hollow. No development in any form, just sucking in money from oil.

3. Human right violators!! Few women on the streets, all covered up, the citizens look like arabs from thousand years ago.

[huaiwei]

@huaiwei

歧视在哪里都有，东南亚人（包括汉人）在中国大陆也会遭到歧视

很多北方人视东南亚人（有时甚至包括中国南部的一些省份的居民）为“畸形人”，认为他们是“黑、瘦、小、穷和未开化”的代名词

对于这个情况我是知道的，但一直羞于言表...
True true. In fact, I also see the same thing in the way some HKers view Mainland Chinese.

I suppose the Chinese people are a proud and materialistic lot who seems to use matrial gains as a means of discriminating against others...even if we are of the same ethnicity and skin colour!

[Sen]

people of other nationalities also use material gains as means of discrimination, FOR EXAMPLE, New Yorkers discriminate(or at least look down on) people from midwest. it's esp evident among ethnic Chinese because we have such huge wealthy disparity, both between mainland Chinese and Chinese in HK Taiwan and overseas, and also between Chinese from different parts of mainland.

[smussuw]

Dubai is overrated because:
1. Looks can be decieving...I mean it looks good, but remember 30 years ago the arabs there were camel herders.

2. No substance. Hollow. No development in any form, just sucking in money from oil.

3. Human right violators!! Few women on the streets, all covered up, the citizens look like arabs from thousand years ago.

First of all this isnt human rights thread. Second can I kno whats wrong with having women all covered up? Did anyone said that its ur business? Beside Women are ok with the custom and will never think of taking it away. And no one is forcing them. This isnt Iran. Maybe u'd be happy if our women would start bitising in streets and acted like whores. We are happy in our costum. Can I know who decide wether those clothes are suitable for this century or not. I am sure that it isnt u.

One more thing ur post show how u lack information. Arabs (only in the gulf countries) ride camels 30 years ago. But we also had cars. It wasnt our only way of transportatiom.

Who said that those money is from oil? beside what is wrong in having the money from oil. Atl east we know how to invest it. Dubai was rewarded as the 3rd best city in the world in management.

[Alfred]

I'm informed quite good. I've worked in dubai...2002
A camel herder's nest....were no women to be seen and saudis sitting at the hotel bars drinking whiskey while wife is taking care of kids.

omg, no woman wants to be covered up. so shut it u prick

Money is definately from oil, arabs do not posses the know-how to delevop ANYTHING.

your city is managed by other countries...you can't do anything for yourselves.

[ssiguy2]

Sorry but I have absolutly no respect for a place where women are not equal. I know it is probably amongst the more "liberal" Arab states but that says next to nothing. Women are treated somewhere between cattle and baby machines. No sence of true equality. That also means no respect for human rights of other kinds {eg gay rights} and no sence of democracy or what it means.
I couldn't visit a place for vacation where half the poulation is considered unworthy all because they were born with different genetalia.
Offensive, repressive, and foul.

[Alfred]

and to you all muslims, arabs, whatever...the only reason you can sit in your computer, in this forum, is because WE, WESTERN FREE DEMOCRATIC society has been developing advanced technology. What do you do for us?
you keep raising oil price, you send terrorists!!

You should be ashamed, not proud, cause you have nothing to be proud of.
REDEEM yourselves, start making GOOD things for a bloody change!

My country is being invaded by arabs, 26% of the entire swedish population.

THANKS! :bash:

[AltinD]

and to you all muslims, arabs, whatever...the only reason you can sit in your computer, in this forum, is because WE, WESTERN FREE DEMOCRATIC society has been developing advanced technology. What do you do for us?
you keep raising oil price, you send terrorists!!

You should be ashamed, not proud, cause you have nothing to be proud of.
REDEEM yourselves, start making GOOD things for a bloody change!

My country is being invaded by arabs, 26% of the entire swedish population.

THANKS! :bash:

You are a bigot, racist, xenophobe, ignorant of the first degree. You should have been BANNED when you started that thread: "Europeans finally united against our enemies"

You're a lost case and you should be BANNED for life.


... and I'm a non-muslim European.

[Dubai-Lover]

i can't believe how many dumb shittalkers are around here :ohno:

total ignorance, biasing, prejudices, hate against tradition & religion :rant:

how can one be so stupid to complain about the clothing of muslims :doh:
nuttin but disrespect!

if you prefer to see many people with rotten clothes and crappy clothing i just have to walk through my home city in germany. yes, it's depressing how the majority of the people is dressed.
what's wrong with wearing a dishdasha? i've never seen an emarati with a dirty dishdasha, neither do they have any creases, they are white and clean. it could be described as the muslims decent clothing and it still is a tradition!
it's like westerners wearing a clean nice suit. as simple as that!

you might see a great minority of saudis drinking whiskey in public, but you might see people sitting at the bar and deceiving their wifes where you come from.

and what the heck does it have to do with a city??????????????????????????? NUTTIN!

and what about: "no women can be seen?" :wtf:
you should leave one room to see them. there are lots of women on dubai's streets,... and is everything about women or what? :ohno:

no development in any form? :lol: this is my new #1 of the hall of fame of dumbest comments ever! :hilarious

arabs don't have the know-how tom develop anything?
how racist can one be???????? oh yes, sure, i forgot all of them are dumb-asses driven by an insane religion!!! :doh:

alfred - i don't believe one word of what you've said!

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sorry about the language!
but i'll get mad when i have to read something like this!

[Alfred]

I haven't started any thread.

Futhermore, when Is a culture or a religion a "race" ?

I don't talk about race, that's something for the ignorant.

We are all the same....but the cultures are a different story!

of course you get mad. That's the difference between you and us.
Here in sweden we can critisise ANYTHING without, getting killed or jailed.

Freedom of speech.

And arabs not possesing know-how is not a racist comment.
It's a simple fact. A racist comment would be "Arabs can't learn anything"
now that would be racists. But wake up! take action, learn! you will notice a big change in your life!

[city of the future]

and to you all muslims, arabs, whatever...the only reason you can sit in your computer, in this forum, is because WE, WESTERN FREE DEMOCRATIC society has been developing advanced technology. What do you do for us?
you keep raising oil price, you send terrorists!!

You should be ashamed, not proud, cause you have nothing to be proud of.
REDEEM yourselves, start making GOOD things for a bloody change!

My country is being invaded by arabs, 26% of the entire swedish population.

THANKS! :bash:

I agree this under educated child should be banned

[Dubai-Lover]

and to you all muslims, arabs, whatever...the only reason you can sit in your computer, in this forum, is because WE, WESTERN FREE DEMOCRATIC society has been developing advanced technology. What do you do for us?
you keep raising oil price, you send terrorists!!

You should be ashamed, not proud, cause you have nothing to be proud of.
REDEEM yourselves, start making GOOD things for a bloody change!

My country is being invaded by arabs, 26% of the entire swedish population.

THANKS! :bash:

if i wrote a reply to these statements i would get banned myself!

[city of the future]

By the way westerners are causing most of the problems in this world

[KingShizzznit]

By the way westerners are causing most of the problems in this world

Westerners do the most good...by far.

[Alfred]

By the way westerners are causing most of the problems in this world

oh now you're better than me?

Understand, it's not you as a human I don't like, it's the backward mentality.

Since this is a western forum, those expressions are allowed.

I have not personal attacked anyone! I never will because quite frankly, I'm a nice guy.

And btw, ALL OF YOU middle east ppl here. Almost NONE of you are in your own country....what does that tell you? be greatful for what you have been given. take this opportunity to learn to like western culture. And adapt...because you could always go back to yemen or whatever.

[city of the future]

Arabs came before western people

[city of the future]

and i am western myself

[KingShizzznit]

Arabs came before western people

Answer the question. Why do most arabs prefer to live in a western city in europe or canada, before their own country?

[smussuw]

My country is being invaded by arabs, 26% of the entire swedish population.


Hopefully ull be dominated by them. :bash:.

[smussuw]

And btw, ALL OF YOU middle east ppl here. Almost NONE of you are in your own country....what does that tell you? be greatful for what you have been given. take this opportunity to learn to like western culture. And adapt...because you could always go back to yemen or whatever.

Am still living in my country. I really dont know any middle easter in the forum living outside. Maybe a student no more and no less.

Kingshizznet
Dont worry I wouldnt like to live outside my country.

[AltinD]

oh now you're better than me?

Understand, it's not you as a human I don't like, it's the backward mentality.

Since this is a western forum, those expressions are allowed.

I have not personal attacked anyone! I never will because quite frankly, I'm a nice guy.

And btw, ALL OF YOU middle east ppl here. Almost NONE of you are in your own country....what does that tell you? be greatful for what you have been given. take this opportunity to learn to like western culture. And adapt...because you could always go back to yemen or whatever.

We are Europeans living in Dubai, and the 26% of Arabs that you say to have invaded your counry, aren't Arabs at all. Most of them are Pakistanis who apart from religion, shares nothing with Arabs.

And let me repeat this: You haven't been in Dubai, NEVER.

[AltinD]

oh now you're better than me?

Understand, it's not you as a human I don't like, it's the backward mentality.

Since this is a western forum, those expressions are allowed.

I have not personal attacked anyone! I never will because quite frankly, I'm a nice guy.

And btw, ALL OF YOU middle east ppl here. Almost NONE of you are in your own country....what does that tell you? be greatful for what you have been given. take this opportunity to learn to like western culture. And adapt...because you could always go back to yemen or whatever.

First of all you're better only to your own shadow and you have proven in more then one ocassion to have one of the most backward mentalities in this forum. You're "up" there with the bimbo Samantha and her many clones.

This is not a westerner, eastern, southern or northern forum, this is a international forum.

You're a "very nice" guy, you don't attack personally anyone, just his family, friends, co-national and everyone else.

I already replyed to the last phrase.

[smussuw]

Where are the moderators? Alfred should be banned.

[KingShizzznit]

What do you mean, don't worry? I grew up with many arabs. They're part of south side Chicago. They're just like you or me, so I see no problems with them and I know why many people of all kinds come to America. For a better opportunity at life, an education, and employment.

[AltinD]

^ He should have been banned indifenetelly last month when he opened a full of hatred thread on the European section of the forum. That thread was deleated and i suposse he was banned for a week or so, and now that his account is re-activated, he comes back with a vengence.

[AltinD]

True true. In fact, I also see the same thing in the way some HKers view Mainland Chinese.

I suppose the Chinese people are a proud and materialistic lot who seems to use matrial gains as a means of discriminating against others...even if we are of the same ethnicity and skin colour!

That happens everywhere.

[smussuw]

What do you mean, don't worry? I grew up with many arabs. They're part of south side Chicago. They're just like you or me, so I see no problems with them and I know why many people of all kinds come to America. For a better opportunity at life, an education, and employment.

You said that Arabs prefer to live abroad and I said I am an arab and not interested in living outside. I can see a better opportunity at life, education and emplyment in my country.

[Alfred]

and i am western myself

LOL! :D

[Alfred]

We are Europeans living in Dubai, and the 26% of Arabs that you say to have invaded your counry, aren't Arabs at all. Most of them are Pakistanis who apart from religion, shares nothing with Arabs.

And let me repeat this: You haven't been in Dubai, NEVER.

of the 26%

7% Iranians
13% Iraquis
4% somalies
2% afghans

etc...

[Alfred]

^ He should have been banned indifenetelly last month when he opened a full of hatred thread on the European section of the forum. That thread was deleated and i suposse he was banned for a week or so, and now that his account is re-activated, he comes back with a vengence.

sorry, you are confusing me with someone else.
I'm sure a moderator can do a back log and check my IP and post history.

I have not started any thread. trust me, I'm not THAT of a maniac.
I've been registered member for almost half a year

[smussuw]

of the 26%

7% Iranians
13% Iraquis
4% somalies
2% afghans

etc...

Since when Afghans and Iranians were arabs? I always those that swedish were really friendly. U are giving us a very negative picture about them.

[smussuw]

sorry, you are confusing me with someone else.
I'm sure a moderator can do a back log and check my IP and post history.

I have not started any thread. trust me, I'm not THAT of a maniac.
I've been registered member for almost half a year

u are another Maniac.

[KingShizzznit]

u are another Maniac.

when one is defensive, they tend to be a maniac.

Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction.

[ssiguy2]

Why shouldn't human rights come in when discussing if a City is overrated???
Much of the success of Dubai is relient on foreign labour.......unskilled foreign labour from the third world not the professionals from the West.
Most are "house maidens" where rape is endemic. My god most don't have access to a phone and the employer takes their passport!!!
2 women were flogged late last year in UAE.
All the buildings in the world don't make up for such abuses and horrific crimes.

That kind of thinking requires a real mentality and one which I want no part of. Its probably the most over-rated city on this forum and most undesireable.

[smussuw]

when one is defensive, they tend to be a maniac.

Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction.


My post wasnt meant to be for u.

[smussuw]

Why shouldn't human rights come in when discussing if a City is overrated???
Much of the success of Dubai is relient on foreign labour.......unskilled foreign labour from the third world not the professionals from the West.
Most are "house maidens" where rape is endemic. My god most don't have access to a phone and the employer takes their passport!!!
2 women were flogged late last year in UAE.
All the buildings in the world don't make up for such abuses and horrific crimes.

That kind of thinking requires a real mentality and one which I want no part of. Its probably the most over-rated city on this forum and most undesireable.

2 women only? That is really low I thought the number is bigger. They do flog men as well and not only women.


As for the labour, as u said most of them are from the 3rd world countries. If something happened and they got upset for any simple reason they would take the passport and run away. Thats why people tend not to trust them. They arent educated. They would simply escape if they felt that they dont to work. They wouldnt even tell their sponsers.

As for the maids rape. Those things happen all over the world. I dont see any difference here. Just while ago I read something about american females being raped every single minute. If there was a percentage for maids rape it would be less than .0001%. I really dont know about the access to phone. Ur story looks like a horror movie.

We have three house maids in our house. They have their own moblie phones They have also a free health care and free housing. I didnt rape them if u know what I mean.

[big W]

Well only 3 issues with Dubai. Its fantastic over all and I enjoied my time there but here are my issues.

1. Its trying to hard to get noticed. Buildings the biggest this and that. Well for started World Class cities don't need that. They know what they are and comfortable with it. I mean look at New York, Paris, London, Tokyo. None of the tallest buildings in the world. Normally you only build up due to land costs. Dubai is not in situation like NYC that its huge land costs make people build up. Its only a "hey everybody look at us. Comeon guys we are here look at us".

2. The city feels disjointed. I mean its spread out out a bit with little bits of developments in a bunch of sections rather than one large flowing city. Thus it lacks the same street feel of the image its trying to portray. City seems built for cars and buildings rather than for people. The streetlife in many areas in nonexistant even in areas one would expect amongst all the highrises.

3. Lack of any real cultural and educational facilities simply due to a very high transient population. By this I mean if I mean poets, writters, artists, actors, musicians etc. Most of this is from either Lebanon or Egypt. It becomes hard to develop such things in the city if most of the population is only going to be ther for 2 years. Thus those there don't care. They come for the money and leave. Thus no real cultural ammenities can really take off for a city of its wealth and influence in many things now. These things are not something that should be discounted lightly. Remember cultural and educational institutions are the backbone of a society.

By this I mean, look at Beirut. Its slightly bigger and in a country of the roughly the same population. But Beirut tends to have a cultural identity that is signifcantly stronger even with war and destuction. It has some of the premier educational institutions of the region. Plus the local human capital is developed to the point that they are leaders in the region in many things. I personally feel that once Lebanon is fully stable it will become a regional rival for Dubai. I know it may not seem like much today, but look at where Beirut in 1999 and the gulf region and look at Beirut of today. Since that time the Isrealis left teh south and ony until a few weeks ago did the Syrians leave. Now with no foreign military in the country I could see it bounce back quickly. Its come a long way and it seems to be continually moving in that direction.

[pottebaum]

http://img246.echo.cx/img246/5635/sscnews3vw.jpg
Here's one of the thing I don't like about Dubai. I mean, are those parking garages!? I know most big buildings have them, but it just looks so very gross that way.

[sdtj]

Alfred is not even Swedish, he's Chilean... He denies it though.

They had some issues with him in the Latin forums.....

Remember Alfred?

[Dubai-Lover]

http://img246.echo.cx/img246/5635/sscnews3vw.jpg
Here's one of the thing I don't like about Dubai. I mean, are those parking garages!? I know most big buildings have them, but it just looks so very gross that way.

yes, these are car parks, every tower has them
in dubai you will rarely find towers with underground car parks due to high ground-water level!
this is why car parks are either integrated in the podium of the towers or behind the towers linked by a skybridge.

you will find these multi-storey car parks only on this particular road, the sheikh zayed road

the newly developed areas with all these towers under construction have car parks in the podium

doesn't look too ugly though

even if you drive along the road of the backside of the towers it looks quite nice

[andrea_despentes]

IT'S TO BLAME CALM DOWN, PEOPLE HAVE OPINIONS, NOT EVERY ONE HAS TO LOVE DUBAI

TO SOME PEOPLE THE CITY IS OVERRATED, TO SOME DONT

BUT U SEEM TO TRY HARD TO MAKE EVERY ONE THINK DUBAI IS GREAT

WHAT HAPPENED TO PERSONAL OPINIONS?

[ssiguy2]

Where did I get my story from re housemaid rapes.............Amnesty International.
As far as I'm concerned a city can a 100 towers over a 100 stories, it means nothing.
Yes It does have a great skyline but it is nothing but a tin-pot, repressive, sexist, undemocratic, barbaric, homophobic, oppresive, intolerant, luttle nothing theocracy in the middle of nowhere and nowhere anyone would want to live. People move their temporarily to get some money but leave as soon as they've got it and small wonder.
You want real opinions...where there is mine.
Join other international cities in 20 years my ass. It will take it 20 years just to reach the 19th century.

[DeiraBoy]

IT'S TO BLAME CALM DOWN, PEOPLE HAVE OPINIONS, NOT EVERY ONE HAS TO LOVE DUBAI

TO SOME PEOPLE THE CITY IS OVERRATED, TO SOME DONT

BUT U SEEM TO TRY HARD TO MAKE EVERY ONE THINK DUBAI IS GREAT

WHAT HAPPENED TO PERSONAL OPINIONS?

theres personal opinion and theres BS.
someone saying: i dont like dubai because its too hot/bad traffic/not enough art galleries/not enough public transport...this is fine cos theyre all valid points
BUT someone saying something like: tin-pot, repressive, sexist, undemocratic, barbaric, homophobic, oppresive, intolerant, luttle nothing theocracy in the middle of nowhere ...thats a load of bull...i could use those words to describe many places that such people describe as "world class cities". People often forget how these so called "world-class cities" came to exist...

[huaiwei]

Wow.

I am unsubscribing from this thread now.

[ssiguy2]

You want opinions, I gave it to you.
It is a repressive nation and all the skyscrapers in the world won't change that.

[[Everywhen]]

okay, 3, but i still like dubai

1. lack of life, seems a bit dull on street level, not very cosmopolitan for its importance in the middle east

2. a cbd rather death for too much building, nothing but buildings in the cbd

3. a city on diapers to be way to admired, though, they are doing well....seems that you need to stop building a bit and start doing some interesting, cultural things on street level

then...i think is quite nice dubai

[UnitedPakistan]

lol i can imagine...
and what in the hell is that supposed to mean?

[Rainier Meadows]

this thread has been beat to death and has been open long enough. Thanks for your participation.