Four Seasons | U/C | 56, ?? st | 210, ??? m | Downtown

[Mr Man]

http://www.toronto.ca/planning/pdf/4seasons_commeet_notice.pdf

[Travis007]

Aww...had me excited there for a moment... ;)

But I look forward to seeing the whole rendering for the FSII although I think it will resemble the current boxy/glassy TO condo look, which is pretty nice IMO. :)

[valantino]

I had no idea the proposal included the car dealership - thanks for posting

[valantino]

The online zoning application probably will be available tomorrow as well

[Bertez]

Ahhh the announcement I have been waiting for ;);)

[rt_0891]

Can't wait.

[bboy_u]

That is a great location. I hope the design will complement the surrounding neighbourhood and towers. Hopefully more buildings will sprout from this area to create another cluster.

[bizorky]

Thanks, Mr. Man.

[Mechie]

^so did this end up happening or what?

[Bertez]

It is 7-9, so you'll have to wait a bit ;);)

[Hillis]

I'm getting lost, so many projects :o

[addisonwesley]

What...? 7-9?

[Bertez]

^^The meeting is from 7pm to 9pm

[rt_0891]

It's 9:30 now, any news yet?

[Mr Man]

Don't ask me, I'm in Tallahassee. I posted the meeting time/date here in hopes someone would attend and take a few photos.

If nothing materiales for tonight, who wants to volunteer and visit Kyle Rae's office and get a few scans for us? Since they were displayed tonight, it should be no problem getting a hold of them from Kyle Rae as they are now public record.

[valantino]

The whiteboards went up around the site about 3 to 4 weeks ago so I assumed it would be on this month's community council agenda - oh well, good chance it may still be added considering the public meeting was scheduled late or that a newspaper was there

[Mr Man]

Must have been one of thoes stealth applications...

I donno why they happen, but they do every once in awhile. One St. Thomas comes to mind. You'll never find a preliminary report for that one online.

[Confused Philosopher]

I'm getting lost, so many projects :o

As am I.

This is suppose to be 180mish luxury condos right?

Correct me please.

[Jaye101]

It's 9:30 now, any news yet?

Sum1's excited. lmao.

[Canuck]

The list is for buildings greater than 400 feet, or 40 floors or more when height is unknown.

If you see anything that needs correcting/updating, let me know and I'll change it up.


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Legend

Black Text Indicates The Tower Is Built
Red Text Indicates The Tower Is Under Construction
Blue Text Indicates The Residential &/Or Hotel Tower Is In Sales
Green Text Indicates the Residential, Residential & Office, Residential & Hotel, or Hotel Tower is Proposed
Purple Text Indicates A Proposed Office Tower
* This Symbol Indicates The Building Is Located In Mississauga


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Toronto's 400ft and up list

Sapphire Tower - 1,122 ft spire (1,030 ft. roof) 88 floors

---------1,100 ft---------

Trump International - 1,064 ft. spire (988 ft. roof) 70 floors

---------1,000 ft---------

First Canadian Place - 978 ft. 72 floors
Scotia Plaza - 902 ft. 68 floors

----------900 ft----------

Canada Trust Tower [BCE Place] - 856 ft. 53 floors

----------800 ft----------

Bay-Adelaide Centre Tower I [Bay-Adelaide Centre] - 797 ft. 62 floors
Commerce Court West [Commerce Court] - 784 ft. 57 floors
Toronto Dominion Bank Tower [Toronto-Dominion Centre] - 731 ft. 56 floors
1 Bloor East - 718 ft. 60 floors
Signature Tower [CityPlace] - 714 ft. 69 floors

----------700 ft----------

Ritz Carlton Hotel [Simcoe Place] - 699 ft. 53 floors
Shangri-La - 686 ft. 65 floors
Bay Wellington Tower [BCE Place] - 679 ft. 49 floors
BCE III [BCE Place] - HEIGHT NEEDED 49 floors
Wellington Square [Simcoe Place] - HEIGHT NEEDED 48 floors
Four Seasons Hotel - HEIGHT NEEDED 55 floors
Bay-Adelaide Centre Tower II [Bay-Adelaide Centre] - HEIGHT NEEDED 53 floors
ROM Tower [Royal Ontario Museum] - 648 ft. 40 floors
City Centre Tower [Hummingbird Centre] - 619 ft. 50 floors
Royal Trust Tower [Toronto-Dominion Centre] - 600 ft. 46 floors

----------600 ft----------

Richmond-Adelaide Centre [Richmond-Adelaide Centre] - 595 ft. 41 floors
Royal Bank Plaza South [Royal Bank Plaza] - 591 ft. 40 floors
1 King West - 578 ft. 51 floors
MLSE Tower I [MLSE Complex] - 558 ft. 53 floors
151 Front Street West - 549 ft. 36 floors
44 Charles Street West [Manulife Centre] - 545 ft. 51 floors
Bay-Adelaide Centre Tower III [Bay-Adelaide Centre] - 531 ft. 49 floors
MLSE Tower II [MLSE Complex] - 529 ft. 49 floors
Quantum II [Minto Midtown] - 525 ft. 52 floors
One City Hall Phase II [One City Hall Condominiums] - HEIGHT NEEDED 50 floors
The Uptown Residences - 518 ft. 48 floors
Festival Tower - 514 ft. 42 floors
College Park Tower I [RoCP] - 505 ft. 52 floors
*Parkside Village - Tower I [Parkside Village] - 505 ft. 50 floors
79 Wellington Street West [Toronto-Dominion Centre] - 504 ft. 39 floors
Harbour View Estates II [CityPlace] - 503 ft. 49 floors
Exchange Tower - 502 ft. 36 floors

----------500 ft----------

The 250 [Eaton Centre] - 494 ft. 35 floors
Two Bloor West - 488 ft. 34 floors
Bank of America Tower [Simcoe Place] - 486 ft. 33 floors
West ONE [CityPlace] - 484 ft. 49 floors
Montage [CityPlace] - HEIGHT NEEDED 47 floors
Parkway Forest I [Parkway Forest] - 479 ft. 48 floors
Commerce Court North [Commerce Court] - 476 ft. 34 floors
Spire - 476 ft. 45 floors
Simpson Tower - 472 ft. 33 floors
Cadillac Fairview Tower [Eaton Centre] - 466 ft. 36 floors
Murano Tower I [The Murano] - 459 ft. 41 floors
Pantages Tower [Pantages Place] - 458 ft. 46 floors
*Parkside Village - Tower II [Parkside Village] - 456 ft. 45 floors
*Parkside Village - Tower III [Parkside Village] - 456 ft. 45 floors
Palace Place [The Palace Pier] - 453 ft. 46 floors
Palace Pier [The Palace Pier] - 453 ft. 46 floors
College Park Tower II [RoCP] - HEIGHT NEEDED - 45 floors
Casa - 453 ft. 43 floors
Continental Bank of Canada Building [Richmond-Adelaide Centre] - 449 ft. 33 floors
18 York Street - 449 ft. 37 floors
Pinnacle Building C [Pinnacle Centre] - 449 ft. 46 floors
Sheraton Centre Hotel [Sheraton Centre] - 443 ft. 43 floors
Two Bloor East [Hudson's Bay Centre] - 439 ft. 34 floors
Ernst & Young Tower [Toronto-Dominion Centre] - 437 ft. 31 floors
The MET Phase I [The Met Condos] - 431 ft. 43 floors
Empire Tower [NY Towers] - 427 ft. 28 floors
One Financial Place - 424 ft. 31 floors
Leaside Towers II [Leaside Towers] - 423 ft. 44 floors
Leaside Towers I [Leaside Towers] - 423 ft. 44 floors
590 Jarvis - 423 ft. 41 floors
Canadian Pacific Tower [Toronto Dominion Centre] - 420 ft. 32 floors
Metro Hall West [Metro Hall] - 420 ft. 27 floors
Parkway Forest II [Parkway Forest] - 420 ft. 42 floors
Parkway Forest IV [Parkway Forest] - 420 ft. 42 floors
Parkway Forest V [Parkway Forest] - 420 ft. 42 floors
Marriott Hotel/Plaza 2 Apartments [Hudson's Bay Centre] - 415 ft. 41 floors
Sun Life Centre East Tower [Sun Life Centre] - 410 ft. 28 floors
N1 [CityPlace] - 410 ft. 42 floors
Yonge Eglinton Centre I [Yonge Eglinton Centre] - 408 ft. 30 floors
Royal York Hotel - 407 ft. 28 floors
Harbour View Estates I [CityPlace] - HEIGHT NEEDED 40 floors
Number One York Quay South Tower [Harbour Square] - HEIGHT NEEDED 40 floors
*Parkside Village - Tower IV [Parkside Village] - HEIGHT NEEDED 40 floors
*Parkside Village - Tower V [Parkside Village] - HEIGHT NEEDED 40 floors


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Status of Projects

Built
1) First Canadian Place - 978 ft. 72 floors
2) Scotia Plaza - 902 ft. 68 floors
3) Canada Trust Tower - 856 ft. 53 floors
4) Commerce Court West [Commerce Court] - 784 ft. 57 floors
5) Toronto Dominion Bank Tower [Toronto-Dominion Centre] - 731 ft. 56 floors
6) Bay Wellington Tower [BCE Place] - 679 ft. 49 floors
7) Royal Trust Tower [Toronto-Dominion Centre] - 600 ft. 46 floors
8) Royal Bank Plaza South [Royal Bank Plaza] - 591 ft. 40 floors
9) 1 King West - 578 ft. 51 floors
10) 44 Charles Street West [Manulife Centre] - 545 ft. 51 floors
11) 79 Wellington Street West [Toronto-Dominion Centre] - 504 ft. 39 floors
12) Harbour View Estates II [CityPlace] - 503 ft. - 49 floors
13) Exchange Tower - 502 ft. 36 floors
14) The 250 [Eaton Centre] - 494 ft. 35 floors
15) Two Bloor West - 488 ft. 34 floors
16) Bank of America Tower [Simcoe Place] - 486 ft. 33 floors
17) Commerce Court North [Commerce Court] - 476 ft. 34 floors
18) Simpson Tower - 472 ft. 33 floors
19) Cadillac Fairview Tower [Eaton Centre] - 466 ft. 36 floors
20) Pantages Tower [Pantages Place] - 458 ft. 46 floors
21) Palace Place [The Palace Pier] - 453 ft. 46 floors
22) Palace Pier [The Palace Pier] - 453 ft. 46 floors
23) Continental Bank of Canada Building [Richmond-Adelaide Centre] - 449 ft. 33 floors
24) Sheraton Centre Hotel [Sheraton Centre] - 443 ft. 43 floors
25) Two Bloor East [Hudson's Bay Centre] - 439 ft. 34 floors
26) Ernst & Young Tower [Toronto-Dominion Centre] - 437 ft. 31 floors
27) Empire Tower [NY Towers] - 427 ft. 28 floors
28) One Financial Place - 424 ft. 31 floors
29) Leaside Towers II [Leaside Towers] - 423 ft. 44 floors
30) Leaside Towers I [Leaside Towers] - 423 ft. 44 floors
31) Canadian Pacific Tower [Toronto Dominion Centre] - 420 ft. 32 floors
32) Metro Hall West [Metro Hall] - 420 ft. 27 floors
33) Marriott Hotel/Plaza 2 Apartments [Hudson's Bay Centre] - 415 ft. 41 floors
34) Sun Life Centre East Tower [Sun Life Centre] - 410 ft. 28 floors
35) Yonge Eglinton Centre I [Yonge Eglinton Centre] - 408 ft. 30 floors
36) Royal York Hotel - 407 ft. 28 floors
37) Number One York Quay South Tower [Harbour Square] - HEIGHT NEEDED 40 floors
38) Harbour View Estates I [CityPlace] - HEIGHT NEEDED 40 floors

Buildings Under Construction
1) College Park Tower I [RoCP] - 505 ft. 52 floors
2) West ONE [CityPlace] - 484 ft. 49 floors
3) Spire - 476 ft. 45 floors
4) Murano Tower I [The Murano] - 459 ft. 41 floors
5) College Park Tower II [RoCP] - HEIGHT NEEDED - 45 floors
6) The MET Phase I [The Met Condos] - 431 ft. 43 floors
7) N1 [CityPlace] - 410 ft. 42 floors

Residential &/or Hotel Towers In Sales
1) Sapphire Tower - 1,122 ft spire (1,030 ft. roof) 88 floors
2) Trump International - 1,064 ft. spire (988 ft. roof) 70 floors
3) Ritz Carlton Hotel [Simcoe Place] - 699 ft. 53 floors
4) Quantum II [Minto Midtown] - 525 ft. 52 floors
5) The Uptown Residences - 518 ft. 48 floors
6) Montage [CityPlace] - HEIGHT NEEDED 47 floors
7) Casa - 453 ft. 43 floors

Proposed Residential, Residential & Office, Residential & Hotel, or Hotel Towers
1) Bay-Adelaide Centre Tower I [Bay-Adelaide Centre] - 797 ft. 62 floors
2) 1 Bloor East - 718 ft. 60 floors
3) Signature Tower [CityPlace] - 714 ft. 69 floors
4) Shangri-La - 686 ft. 65 floors
5) Four Seasons Hotel - HEIGHT NEEDED 55 floors
6) Bay-Adelaide Centre Tower II [Bay-Adelaide Centre] - HEIGHT NEEDED 53 floors
7) ROM Tower [Royal Ontario Museum] - 648 ft. 40 floors
8) City Centre Tower [Hummingbird Centre] - 619 ft. 50 floors
9) MLSE Tower I [MLSE Complex] - 558 ft. 53 floors
10) Bay-Adelaide Centre Tower III [Bay-Adelaide Centre] - 531 ft. 49 floors
11) MLSE Tower II [MLSE Complex] - 529 ft. 49 floors
12) Festival Tower - 514 ft. 42 floors
13) *Parkside Village - Tower I [Parkside Village] - 505 ft. 50 floors
14) One City Hall Phase II [One City Hall Condominiums] - HEIGHT NEEDED 50 floors
15) Parkway Forest I [Parkway Forest] - 479 ft. 48 floors
16) *Parkside Village - Tower II [Parkside Village] - 456 ft. 45 floors
17) *Parkside Village - Tower III [Parkside Village] - 456 ft. 45 floors
18) Pinnacle Building C [Pinnacle Centre] - 449 ft. 46 floors
19) 590 Jarvis - 423 ft. 41 floors
20) Parkway Forest II [Parkway Forest] - 420 ft. 42 floors
21) Parkway Forest IV [Parkway Forest] - 420 ft. 42 floors
22) Parkway Forest V [Parkway Forest] - 420 ft. 42 floors
23) *Parkside Village - Tower IV [Parkside Village] - HEIGHT NEEDED 40 floors
24) *Parkside Village - Tower V [Parkside Village] - HEIGHT NEEDED 40 floors

Proposed Office Towers
1) BCE III [BCE Place] - HEIGHT NEEDED 49 floors
2) Wellington Square [Simcoe Place] - HEIGHT NEEDED 48 floors
3) Richmond-Adelaide Centre [Richmond-Adelaide Centre] - 595 ft. 41 floors
4) 151 Front Street West - 549 ft. 36 floors
5) 18 York Street - 449 ft. 37 floors

Sub-Totals
Built - 38
Buildings Under Construction - 7
Residential &/or Hotel Towers In Sales - 7
Proposed Residential, Residential & Office, Residential & Hotel, or Hotel Towers - 24
Proposed Office Towers - 5

Grand Total: 81


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[B]Usage of Buildings

Residential:
1 Bloor East - 718 ft. 60 floors
Signature Tower [CityPlace] - 714 ft. 69 floors
ROM Tower [Royal Ontario Museum] - 648 ft. 40 floors
City Centre Tower [Hummingbird Centre] - 619 ft. 50 floors
44 Charles Street West [Manulife Centre] - 545 ft. 51 floors
Quantum II [Minto Midtown] - 525 ft. 52 floors
One City Hall Phase II [One City Hall Condominiums] - HEIGHT NEEDED 50 floors
The Uptown Residences - 518 ft. 48 floors
Festival Tower - 514 ft. 42 floors
College Park Tower I [RoCP] - 505 ft. 52 floors
*Parkside Village - Tower I [Parkside Village] - 505 ft. 50 floors
Harbour View Estates II [CityPlace] - 503 ft. 49 floors
West ONE [CityPlace] - 484 ft. 49 floors
Montage [CityPlace] - HEIGHT NEEDED 47 floors
Parkway Forest I [Parkway Forest] - 479 ft. 48 floors
Spire - 476 ft. 45 floors
Murano Tower I [The Murano] - 459 ft. 41 floors
Pantages Tower [Pantages Place] - 458 ft. 46 floors
*Parkside Village - Tower II [Parkside Village] - 456 ft. 45 floors
*Parkside Village - Tower III [Parkside Village] - 456 ft. 45 floors
Palace Place [The Palace Pier] - 453 ft. 46 floors
Palace Pier [The Palace Pier] - 453 ft. 46 floors
College Park Tower II [RoCP] - HEIGHT NEEDED - 45 floors
Casa - 453 ft. 43 floors
Pinnacle Building C [Pinnacle Centre] - 449 ft. 46 floors
The MET Phase I [The Met Condos] - 431 ft. 43 floors
Empire Tower [NY Towers] - 427 ft. 28 floors
Leaside Towers II [Leaside Towers] - 423 ft. 44 floors
Leaside Towers I [Leaside Towers] - 423 ft. 44 floors
590 Jarvis - 423 ft. 41 floors
Parkway Forest II [Parkway Forest] - 420 ft. 42 floors
Parkway Forest IV [Parkway Forest] - 420 ft. 42 floors
Parkway Forest V [Parkway Forest] - 420 ft. 42 floors
N1 [CityPlace] - 410 ft. 42 floors
Harbour View Estates I [CityPlace] - HEIGHT NEEDED 40 floors
Number One York Quay South Tower [Harbour Square] - HEIGHT NEEDED 40 floors
*Parkside Village - Tower IV [Parkside Village] - HEIGHT NEEDED 40 floors
*Parkside Village - Tower V [Parkside Village] - HEIGHT NEEDED 40 floors


Office:
First Canadian Place - 978 ft. 72 floors
Scotia Plaza - 902 ft. 68 floors
Canada Trust Tower [BCE Place] - 856 ft. 53 floors
Commerce Court West [Commerce Court] - 784 ft. 57 floors
Toronto Dominion Bank Tower [Toronto-Dominion Centre] - 731 ft. 56 floors
Bay Wellington Tower [BCE Place] - 679 ft. 49 floors
BCE III [BCE Place] - HEIGHT NEEDED 49 floors
Wellington Square [Simcoe Place] - HEIGHT NEEDED 48 floors
Royal Trust Tower [Toronto-Dominion Centre] - 600 ft. 46 flo
Richmond-Adelaide Centre [Richmond-Adelaide Centre] - 595 ft. 41 floors
Royal Bank Plaza South [Royal Bank Plaza] - 591 ft. 40 floors
151 Front Street West - 549 ft. 36 floors
79 Wellington Street West [Toronto-Dominion Centre] - 504 ft. 39 floors
Exchange Tower - 502 ft. 36 floors
The 250 [Eaton Centre] - 494 ft. 35 floors
Two Bloor West - 488 ft. 34 floors
Bank of America Tower [Simcoe Place] - 486 ft. 33 floors
Commerce Court North [Commerce Court] - 476 ft. 34 floors
Simpson Tower - 472 ft. 33 floors
Cadillac Fairview Tower [Eaton Centre] - 466 ft. 36 floors
Continental Bank of Canada Building [Richmond-Adelaide Centre] - 449 ft. 33 floors
18 York Street - 449 ft. 37 floors
Two Bloor East [Hudson's Bay Centre] - 439 ft. 34 floors
Ernst & Young Tower [Toronto-Dominion Centre] - 437 ft. 31 floors
One Financial Place - 424 ft. 31 floors
Canadian Pacific Tower [Toronto Dominion Centre] - 420 ft. 32 floors
Metro Hall West [Metro Hall] - 420 ft. 27 floors
Sun Life Centre East Tower [Sun Life Centre] - 410 ft. 28 floors
Yonge Eglinton Centre I [Yonge Eglinton Centre] - 408 ft. 30 floors


Hotel:
Sheraton Centre Hotel [Sheraton Centre] - 443 ft. 43 floors
Royal York Hotel - 407 ft. 28 floors


Mixed: Residential & Hotel:
Sapphire Tower - 1,122 ft spire (1,030 ft. roof) 88 floors
Trump International - 1,064 ft. spire (988 ft. roof) 70 floors
Ritz Carlton Hotel [Simcoe Place] - 699 ft. 53 floors
Shangri-La - 686 ft. 65 floors
Four Seasons Hotel - HEIGHT NEEDED 55 floors
1 King West - 578 ft. 51 floors
MLSE Tower I [MLSE Complex] - 558 ft. 53 floors
Bay-Adelaide Centre Tower III [Bay-Adelaide Centre] - 531 ft. 49 floors
MLSE Tower II [MLSE Complex] - 529 ft. 49 floors
Marriott Hotel/Plaza 2 Apartments [Hudson's Bay Centre] - 415 ft. 41 floors


Mixed: Residential & Office:
Bay-Adelaide Centre Tower I [Bay-Adelaide Centre] - 797 ft. 62 floors
Bay-Adelaide Centre Tower II [Bay-Adelaide Centre] - HEIGHT NEEDED 53 floors


Mixed: Office & Hotel:
N/A


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Projects with more than one entry on this list

Bay-Adelaide Centre:
Bay-Adelaide Centre Tower I [Bay-Adelaide Centre] - 797 ft. 62 floors
Bay-Adelaide Centre Tower III [Bay-Adelaide Centre] - 531 ft. 49 floors
Bay-Adelaide Centre Tower II [Bay-Adelaide Centre] - HEIGHT NEEDED 53 floors

BCE Place:
Canada Trust Tower [BCE Place] - 856 ft. 53 floors
Bay Wellington Tower [BCE Place] - 679 ft. 49 floors
BCE III [BCE Place] - HEIGHT NEEDED 49 floors

CityPlace:
Signature Tower [CityPlace] - 714 ft. 69 floors
Harbour View Estates II [CityPlace] - 503 ft. 49 floors
West ONE [CityPlace] - 484 ft. 49 floors
Montage [CityPlace] - HEIGHT NEEDED 47 floors
N1 [CityPlace] - 410 ft. 42 floors
Harbour View Estates I [CityPlace] - HEIGHT NEEDED 40 floors

Commerce Court:
Commerce Court West [Commerce Court] - 784 ft. 57 floors
Commerce Court North [Commerce Court] - 476 ft. 34 floors

Eaton Centre:
The 250 [Eaton Centre] - 494 ft. 35 floors
Cadillac Fairview Tower [Eaton Centre] - 466 ft. 36 floors

Hudson's Bay Centre:
Two Bloor East [Hudson's Bay Centre] - 439 ft. 34 floors
Marriott Hotel/Plaza 2 Apartments [Hudson's Bay Centre] - 415 ft. 41 floors

Leaside Towers:
Leaside Towers II [Leaside Towers] - 423 ft. 44 floors
Leaside Towers I [Leaside Towers] - 423 ft. 44 floors

MLSE Complex:
MLSE Tower I [MLSE Complex] - 558 ft. 53 floors
MLSE Tower II [MLSE Complex] - 529 ft. 49 floors

Parkside Village:
*Parkside Village - Tower I [Parkside Village] - 505 ft. 50 floors
*Parkside Village - Tower II [Parkside Village] - 456 ft. 45 floors
*Parkside Village - Tower III [Parkside Village] - 456 ft. 45 floors
*Parkside Village - Tower IV [Parkside Village] - HEIGHT NEEDED 40 floors
*Parkside Village - Tower V [Parkside Village] - HEIGHT NEEDED 40 floors

Parkway Forest:
Parkway Forest I [Parkway Forest] - 479 ft. 48 floors
Parkway Forest II [Parkway Forest] - 420 ft. 42 floors
Parkway Forest IV [Parkway Forest] - 420 ft. 42 floors
Parkway Forest V [Parkway Forest] - 420 ft. 42 floors

Richmond-Adelaide Centre:
Richmond-Adelaide Centre [Richmond-Adelaide Centre] - 595 ft. 41 floors
Continental Bank of Canada Building [Richmond-Adelaide Centre] - 449 ft. 33 floors

RoCP:
College Park Tower I [RoCP] - 505 ft. 52 floors
College Park Tower II [RoCP] - HEIGHT NEEDED - 45 floors

Simcoe Place:
Ritz Carlton Hotel [Simcoe Place] - 699 ft. 53 floors
Wellington Square [Simcoe Place] - HEIGHT NEEDED 48 floors
Bank of America Tower [Simcoe Place] - 486 ft. 33 floors

The Palace Pier:
Palace Place [The Palace Pier] - 453 ft. 46 floors
Palace Pier [The Palace Pier] - 453 ft. 46 floors

Toronto Dominion Centre:
Toronto Dominion Bank Tower [Toronto-Dominion Centre] - 731 ft. 56 floors
Royal Trust Tower [Toronto-Dominion Centre] - 600 ft. 46 floors
79 Wellington Street West [Toronto-Dominion Centre] - 504 ft. 39 floors
Ernst & Young Tower [Toronto-Dominion Centre] - 437 ft. 31 floors
Canadian Pacific Tower [Toronto Dominion Centre] - 420 ft. 32 floors


Note: I know Pantages has a Hotel element to it, and I suspect others may too, but I don't know what % of the building is different from it's primary use. Generally I want to list a building as being single use if over 95% of its space/rooms are for that purpose.

[Confused Philosopher]

Is the Bay-Adelaide still being built?

[Bertez]

^^They modified it so it will include three towers.....

[Filip]

Has anyone noticed the Maritime Life sign has been taken off the curving roof element of that building? Why?

[Homer J. Simpson]

The list is for buildings greater than 400 feet, or 40 floors or more when height is unknown.

If you see anything that needs correcting/updating, let me know and I'll change it up.


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Legend

Black Text Indicates The Tower Is Built
Red Text Indicates The Tower Is Under Construction
Blue Text Indicates The Residential &/Or Hotel Tower Is In Sales
Green Text Indicates the Residential, Residential & Office, Residential & Hotel, or Hotel Tower is Proposed
Purple Text Indicates A Proposed Office Tower
* This Symbol Indicates The Building Is Located In Mississauga


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Toronto's 400ft and up list

Sapphire Tower - 1,122 ft spire (1,030 ft. roof) 88 floors

---------1,100 ft---------

Trump International - 1,064 ft. spire (988 ft. roof) 70 floors

---------1,000 ft---------

First Canadian Place - 978 ft. 72 floors
Scotia Plaza - 902 ft. 68 floors

----------900 ft----------

Canada Trust Tower [BCE Place] - 856 ft. 53 floors

----------800 ft----------

Bay-Adelaide Centre Tower I [Bay-Adelaide Centre] - 797 ft. 62 floors
Commerce Court West [Commerce Court] - 784 ft. 57 floors
Toronto Dominion Bank Tower [Toronto-Dominion Centre] - 731 ft. 56 floors
1 Bloor East - 718 ft. 60 floors
Signature Tower [CityPlace] - 714 ft. 69 floors

----------700 ft----------

Ritz Carlton Hotel [Simcoe Place] - 699 ft. 53 floors
Shangri-La - 686 ft. 65 floors
Bay Wellington Tower [BCE Place] - 679 ft. 49 floors
BCE III [BCE Place] - HEIGHT NEEDED 49 floors
Wellington Square [Simcoe Place] - HEIGHT NEEDED 48 floors
Four Seasons Hotel - HEIGHT NEEDED 55 floors
Bay-Adelaide Centre Tower II [Bay-Adelaide Centre] - HEIGHT NEEDED 53 floors
ROM Tower [Royal Ontario Museum] - 648 ft. 40 floors
City Centre Tower [Hummingbird Centre] - 619 ft. 50 floors
Royal Trust Tower [Toronto-Dominion Centre] - 600 ft. 46 floors

----------600 ft----------

Richmond-Adelaide Centre [Richmond-Adelaide Centre] - 595 ft. 41 floors
Royal Bank Plaza South [Royal Bank Plaza] - 591 ft. 40 floors
1 King West - 578 ft. 51 floors
MLSE Tower I [MLSE Complex] - 558 ft. 53 floors
151 Front Street West - 549 ft. 36 floors
44 Charles Street West [Manulife Centre] - 545 ft. 51 floors
Bay-Adelaide Centre Tower III [Bay-Adelaide Centre] - 531 ft. 49 floors
MLSE Tower II [MLSE Complex] - 529 ft. 49 floors
Quantum II [Minto Midtown] - 525 ft. 52 floors
One City Hall Phase II [One City Hall Condominiums] - HEIGHT NEEDED 50 floors
The Uptown Residences - 518 ft. 48 floors
Festival Tower - 514 ft. 42 floors
College Park Tower I [RoCP] - 505 ft. 52 floors
*Parkside Village - Tower I [Parkside Village] - 505 ft. 50 floors
79 Wellington Street West [Toronto-Dominion Centre] - 504 ft. 39 floors
Harbour View Estates II [CityPlace] - 503 ft. 49 floors
Exchange Tower - 502 ft. 36 floors

----------500 ft----------

The 250 [Eaton Centre] - 494 ft. 35 floors
Two Bloor West - 488 ft. 34 floors
Bank of America Tower [Simcoe Place] - 486 ft. 33 floors
West ONE [CityPlace] - 484 ft. 49 floors
Montage [CityPlace] - HEIGHT NEEDED 47 floors
Parkway Forest I [Parkway Forest] - 479 ft. 48 floors
Commerce Court North [Commerce Court] - 476 ft. 34 floors
Spire - 476 ft. 45 floors
Simpson Tower - 472 ft. 33 floors
Cadillac Fairview Tower [Eaton Centre] - 466 ft. 36 floors
Murano Tower I [The Murano] - 459 ft. 41 floors
Pantages Tower [Pantages Place] - 458 ft. 46 floors
*Parkside Village - Tower II [Parkside Village] - 456 ft. 45 floors
*Parkside Village - Tower III [Parkside Village] - 456 ft. 45 floors
Palace Place [The Palace Pier] - 453 ft. 46 floors
Palace Pier [The Palace Pier] - 453 ft. 46 floors
College Park Tower II [RoCP] - HEIGHT NEEDED - 45 floors
Casa - 453 ft. 43 floors
Continental Bank of Canada Building [Richmond-Adelaide Centre] - 449 ft. 33 floors
18 York Street - 449 ft. 37 floors
Pinnacle Building C [Pinnacle Centre] - 449 ft. 46 floors
Sheraton Centre Hotel [Sheraton Centre] - 443 ft. 43 floors
Two Bloor East [Hudson's Bay Centre] - 439 ft. 34 floors
Ernst & Young Tower [Toronto-Dominion Centre] - 437 ft. 31 floors
The MET Phase I [The Met Condos] - 431 ft. 43 floors
Empire Tower [NY Towers] - 427 ft. 28 floors
One Financial Place - 424 ft. 31 floors
Leaside Towers II [Leaside Towers] - 423 ft. 44 floors
Leaside Towers I [Leaside Towers] - 423 ft. 44 floors
590 Jarvis - 423 ft. 41 floors
Canadian Pacific Tower [Toronto Dominion Centre] - 420 ft. 32 floors
Metro Hall West [Metro Hall] - 420 ft. 27 floors
Parkway Forest II [Parkway Forest] - 420 ft. 42 floors
Parkway Forest IV [Parkway Forest] - 420 ft. 42 floors
Parkway Forest V [Parkway Forest] - 420 ft. 42 floors
Marriott Hotel/Plaza 2 Apartments [Hudson's Bay Centre] - 415 ft. 41 floors
Sun Life Centre East Tower [Sun Life Centre] - 410 ft. 28 floors
N1 [CityPlace] - 410 ft. 42 floors
Yonge Eglinton Centre I [Yonge Eglinton Centre] - 408 ft. 30 floors
Royal York Hotel - 407 ft. 28 floors
Harbour View Estates I [CityPlace] - HEIGHT NEEDED 40 floors
Number One York Quay South Tower [Harbour Square] - HEIGHT NEEDED 40 floors
*Parkside Village - Tower IV [Parkside Village] - HEIGHT NEEDED 40 floors
*Parkside Village - Tower V [Parkside Village] - HEIGHT NEEDED 40 floors


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Status of Projects

Built
1) First Canadian Place - 978 ft. 72 floors
2) Scotia Plaza - 902 ft. 68 floors
3) Canada Trust Tower - 856 ft. 53 floors
4) Commerce Court West [Commerce Court] - 784 ft. 57 floors
5) Toronto Dominion Bank Tower [Toronto-Dominion Centre] - 731 ft. 56 floors
6) Bay Wellington Tower [BCE Place] - 679 ft. 49 floors
7) Royal Trust Tower [Toronto-Dominion Centre] - 600 ft. 46 floors
8) Royal Bank Plaza South [Royal Bank Plaza] - 591 ft. 40 floors
9) 1 King West - 578 ft. 51 floors
10) 44 Charles Street West [Manulife Centre] - 545 ft. 51 floors
11) 79 Wellington Street West [Toronto-Dominion Centre] - 504 ft. 39 floors
12) Harbour View Estates II [CityPlace] - 503 ft. - 49 floors
13) Exchange Tower - 502 ft. 36 floors
14) The 250 [Eaton Centre] - 494 ft. 35 floors
15) Two Bloor West - 488 ft. 34 floors
16) Bank of America Tower [Simcoe Place] - 486 ft. 33 floors
17) Commerce Court North [Commerce Court] - 476 ft. 34 floors
18) Simpson Tower - 472 ft. 33 floors
19) Cadillac Fairview Tower [Eaton Centre] - 466 ft. 36 floors
20) Pantages Tower [Pantages Place] - 458 ft. 46 floors
21) Palace Place [The Palace Pier] - 453 ft. 46 floors
22) Palace Pier [The Palace Pier] - 453 ft. 46 floors
23) Continental Bank of Canada Building [Richmond-Adelaide Centre] - 449 ft. 33 floors
24) Sheraton Centre Hotel [Sheraton Centre] - 443 ft. 43 floors
25) Two Bloor East [Hudson's Bay Centre] - 439 ft. 34 floors
26) Ernst & Young Tower [Toronto-Dominion Centre] - 437 ft. 31 floors
27) Empire Tower [NY Towers] - 427 ft. 28 floors
28) One Financial Place - 424 ft. 31 floors
29) Leaside Towers II [Leaside Towers] - 423 ft. 44 floors
30) Leaside Towers I [Leaside Towers] - 423 ft. 44 floors
31) Canadian Pacific Tower [Toronto Dominion Centre] - 420 ft. 32 floors
32) Metro Hall West [Metro Hall] - 420 ft. 27 floors
33) Marriott Hotel/Plaza 2 Apartments [Hudson's Bay Centre] - 415 ft. 41 floors
34) Sun Life Centre East Tower [Sun Life Centre] - 410 ft. 28 floors
35) Yonge Eglinton Centre I [Yonge Eglinton Centre] - 408 ft. 30 floors
36) Royal York Hotel - 407 ft. 28 floors
37) Number One York Quay South Tower [Harbour Square] - HEIGHT NEEDED 40 floors
38) Harbour View Estates I [CityPlace] - HEIGHT NEEDED 40 floors

Buildings Under Construction
1) College Park Tower I [RoCP] - 505 ft. 52 floors
2) West ONE [CityPlace] - 484 ft. 49 floors
3) Spire - 476 ft. 45 floors
4) Murano Tower I [The Murano] - 459 ft. 41 floors
5) College Park Tower II [RoCP] - HEIGHT NEEDED - 45 floors
6) The MET Phase I [The Met Condos] - 431 ft. 43 floors
7) N1 [CityPlace] - 410 ft. 42 floors

Residential &/or Hotel Towers In Sales
1) Sapphire Tower - 1,122 ft spire (1,030 ft. roof) 88 floors
2) Trump International - 1,064 ft. spire (988 ft. roof) 70 floors
3) Ritz Carlton Hotel [Simcoe Place] - 699 ft. 53 floors
4) Quantum II [Minto Midtown] - 525 ft. 52 floors
5) The Uptown Residences - 518 ft. 48 floors
6) Montage [CityPlace] - HEIGHT NEEDED 47 floors
7) Casa - 453 ft. 43 floors

Proposed Residential, Residential & Office, Residential & Hotel, or Hotel Towers
1) Bay-Adelaide Centre Tower I [Bay-Adelaide Centre] - 797 ft. 62 floors
2) 1 Bloor East - 718 ft. 60 floors
3) Signature Tower [CityPlace] - 714 ft. 69 floors
4) Shangri-La - 686 ft. 65 floors
5) Four Seasons Hotel - HEIGHT NEEDED 55 floors
6) Bay-Adelaide Centre Tower II [Bay-Adelaide Centre] - HEIGHT NEEDED 53 floors
7) ROM Tower [Royal Ontario Museum] - 648 ft. 40 floors
8) City Centre Tower [Hummingbird Centre] - 619 ft. 50 floors
9) MLSE Tower I [MLSE Complex] - 558 ft. 53 floors
10) Bay-Adelaide Centre Tower III [Bay-Adelaide Centre] - 531 ft. 49 floors
11) MLSE Tower II [MLSE Complex] - 529 ft. 49 floors
12) Festival Tower - 514 ft. 42 floors
13) *Parkside Village - Tower I [Parkside Village] - 505 ft. 50 floors
14) One City Hall Phase II [One City Hall Condominiums] - HEIGHT NEEDED 50 floors
15) Parkway Forest I [Parkway Forest] - 479 ft. 48 floors
16) *Parkside Village - Tower II [Parkside Village] - 456 ft. 45 floors
17) *Parkside Village - Tower III [Parkside Village] - 456 ft. 45 floors
18) Pinnacle Building C [Pinnacle Centre] - 449 ft. 46 floors
19) 590 Jarvis - 423 ft. 41 floors
20) Parkway Forest II [Parkway Forest] - 420 ft. 42 floors
21) Parkway Forest IV [Parkway Forest] - 420 ft. 42 floors
22) Parkway Forest V [Parkway Forest] - 420 ft. 42 floors
23) *Parkside Village - Tower IV [Parkside Village] - HEIGHT NEEDED 40 floors
24) *Parkside Village - Tower V [Parkside Village] - HEIGHT NEEDED 40 floors

Proposed Office Towers
1) BCE III [BCE Place] - HEIGHT NEEDED 49 floors
2) Wellington Square [Simcoe Place] - HEIGHT NEEDED 48 floors
3) Richmond-Adelaide Centre [Richmond-Adelaide Centre] - 595 ft. 41 floors
4) 151 Front Street West - 549 ft. 36 floors
5) 18 York Street - 449 ft. 37 floors

Sub-Totals
Built - 38
Buildings Under Construction - 7
Residential &/or Hotel Towers In Sales - 7
Proposed Residential, Residential & Office, Residential & Hotel, or Hotel Towers - 24
Proposed Office Towers - 5

Grand Total: 81


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[B]Usage of Buildings

Residential:
1 Bloor East - 718 ft. 60 floors
Signature Tower [CityPlace] - 714 ft. 69 floors
ROM Tower [Royal Ontario Museum] - 648 ft. 40 floors
City Centre Tower [Hummingbird Centre] - 619 ft. 50 floors
44 Charles Street West [Manulife Centre] - 545 ft. 51 floors
Quantum II [Minto Midtown] - 525 ft. 52 floors
One City Hall Phase II [One City Hall Condominiums] - HEIGHT NEEDED 50 floors
The Uptown Residences - 518 ft. 48 floors
Festival Tower - 514 ft. 42 floors
College Park Tower I [RoCP] - 505 ft. 52 floors
*Parkside Village - Tower I [Parkside Village] - 505 ft. 50 floors
Harbour View Estates II [CityPlace] - 503 ft. 49 floors
West ONE [CityPlace] - 484 ft. 49 floors
Montage [CityPlace] - HEIGHT NEEDED 47 floors
Parkway Forest I [Parkway Forest] - 479 ft. 48 floors
Spire - 476 ft. 45 floors
Murano Tower I [The Murano] - 459 ft. 41 floors
Pantages Tower [Pantages Place] - 458 ft. 46 floors
*Parkside Village - Tower II [Parkside Village] - 456 ft. 45 floors
*Parkside Village - Tower III [Parkside Village] - 456 ft. 45 floors
Palace Place [The Palace Pier] - 453 ft. 46 floors
Palace Pier [The Palace Pier] - 453 ft. 46 floors
College Park Tower II [RoCP] - HEIGHT NEEDED - 45 floors
Casa - 453 ft. 43 floors
Pinnacle Building C [Pinnacle Centre] - 449 ft. 46 floors
The MET Phase I [The Met Condos] - 431 ft. 43 floors
Empire Tower [NY Towers] - 427 ft. 28 floors
Leaside Towers II [Leaside Towers] - 423 ft. 44 floors
Leaside Towers I [Leaside Towers] - 423 ft. 44 floors
590 Jarvis - 423 ft. 41 floors
Parkway Forest II [Parkway Forest] - 420 ft. 42 floors
Parkway Forest IV [Parkway Forest] - 420 ft. 42 floors
Parkway Forest V [Parkway Forest] - 420 ft. 42 floors
N1 [CityPlace] - 410 ft. 42 floors
Harbour View Estates I [CityPlace] - HEIGHT NEEDED 40 floors
Number One York Quay South Tower [Harbour Square] - HEIGHT NEEDED 40 floors
*Parkside Village - Tower IV [Parkside Village] - HEIGHT NEEDED 40 floors
*Parkside Village - Tower V [Parkside Village] - HEIGHT NEEDED 40 floors


Office:
First Canadian Place - 978 ft. 72 floors
Scotia Plaza - 902 ft. 68 floors
Canada Trust Tower [BCE Place] - 856 ft. 53 floors
Commerce Court West [Commerce Court] - 784 ft. 57 floors
Toronto Dominion Bank Tower [Toronto-Dominion Centre] - 731 ft. 56 floors
Bay Wellington Tower [BCE Place] - 679 ft. 49 floors
BCE III [BCE Place] - HEIGHT NEEDED 49 floors
Wellington Square [Simcoe Place] - HEIGHT NEEDED 48 floors
Royal Trust Tower [Toronto-Dominion Centre] - 600 ft. 46 flo
Richmond-Adelaide Centre [Richmond-Adelaide Centre] - 595 ft. 41 floors
Royal Bank Plaza South [Royal Bank Plaza] - 591 ft. 40 floors
151 Front Street West - 549 ft. 36 floors
79 Wellington Street West [Toronto-Dominion Centre] - 504 ft. 39 floors
Exchange Tower - 502 ft. 36 floors
The 250 [Eaton Centre] - 494 ft. 35 floors
Two Bloor West - 488 ft. 34 floors
Bank of America Tower [Simcoe Place] - 486 ft. 33 floors
Commerce Court North [Commerce Court] - 476 ft. 34 floors
Simpson Tower - 472 ft. 33 floors
Cadillac Fairview Tower [Eaton Centre] - 466 ft. 36 floors
Continental Bank of Canada Building [Richmond-Adelaide Centre] - 449 ft. 33 floors
18 York Street - 449 ft. 37 floors
Two Bloor East [Hudson's Bay Centre] - 439 ft. 34 floors
Ernst & Young Tower [Toronto-Dominion Centre] - 437 ft. 31 floors
One Financial Place - 424 ft. 31 floors
Canadian Pacific Tower [Toronto Dominion Centre] - 420 ft. 32 floors
Metro Hall West [Metro Hall] - 420 ft. 27 floors
Sun Life Centre East Tower [Sun Life Centre] - 410 ft. 28 floors
Yonge Eglinton Centre I [Yonge Eglinton Centre] - 408 ft. 30 floors


Hotel:
Sheraton Centre Hotel [Sheraton Centre] - 443 ft. 43 floors
Royal York Hotel - 407 ft. 28 floors


Mixed: Residential & Hotel:
Sapphire Tower - 1,122 ft spire (1,030 ft. roof) 88 floors
Trump International - 1,064 ft. spire (988 ft. roof) 70 floors
Ritz Carlton Hotel [Simcoe Place] - 699 ft. 53 floors
Shangri-La - 686 ft. 65 floors
Four Seasons Hotel - HEIGHT NEEDED 55 floors
1 King West - 578 ft. 51 floors
MLSE Tower I [MLSE Complex] - 558 ft. 53 floors
Bay-Adelaide Centre Tower III [Bay-Adelaide Centre] - 531 ft. 49 floors
MLSE Tower II [MLSE Complex] - 529 ft. 49 floors
Marriott Hotel/Plaza 2 Apartments [Hudson's Bay Centre] - 415 ft. 41 floors


Mixed: Residential & Office:
Bay-Adelaide Centre Tower I [Bay-Adelaide Centre] - 797 ft. 62 floors
Bay-Adelaide Centre Tower II [Bay-Adelaide Centre] - HEIGHT NEEDED 53 floors


Mixed: Office & Hotel:
N/A


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Projects with more than one entry on this list

Bay-Adelaide Centre:
Bay-Adelaide Centre Tower I [Bay-Adelaide Centre] - 797 ft. 62 floors
Bay-Adelaide Centre Tower III [Bay-Adelaide Centre] - 531 ft. 49 floors
Bay-Adelaide Centre Tower II [Bay-Adelaide Centre] - HEIGHT NEEDED 53 floors

BCE Place:
Canada Trust Tower [BCE Place] - 856 ft. 53 floors
Bay Wellington Tower [BCE Place] - 679 ft. 49 floors
BCE III [BCE Place] - HEIGHT NEEDED 49 floors

CityPlace:
Signature Tower [CityPlace] - 714 ft. 69 floors
Harbour View Estates II [CityPlace] - 503 ft. 49 floors
West ONE [CityPlace] - 484 ft. 49 floors
Montage [CityPlace] - HEIGHT NEEDED 47 floors
N1 [CityPlace] - 410 ft. 42 floors
Harbour View Estates I [CityPlace] - HEIGHT NEEDED 40 floors

Commerce Court:
Commerce Court West [Commerce Court] - 784 ft. 57 floors
Commerce Court North [Commerce Court] - 476 ft. 34 floors

Eaton Centre:
The 250 [Eaton Centre] - 494 ft. 35 floors
Cadillac Fairview Tower [Eaton Centre] - 466 ft. 36 floors

Hudson's Bay Centre:
Two Bloor East [Hudson's Bay Centre] - 439 ft. 34 floors
Marriott Hotel/Plaza 2 Apartments [Hudson's Bay Centre] - 415 ft. 41 floors

Leaside Towers:
Leaside Towers II [Leaside Towers] - 423 ft. 44 floors
Leaside Towers I [Leaside Towers] - 423 ft. 44 floors

MLSE Complex:
MLSE Tower I [MLSE Complex] - 558 ft. 53 floors
MLSE Tower II [MLSE Complex] - 529 ft. 49 floors

Parkside Village:
*Parkside Village - Tower I [Parkside Village] - 505 ft. 50 floors
*Parkside Village - Tower II [Parkside Village] - 456 ft. 45 floors
*Parkside Village - Tower III [Parkside Village] - 456 ft. 45 floors
*Parkside Village - Tower IV [Parkside Village] - HEIGHT NEEDED 40 floors
*Parkside Village - Tower V [Parkside Village] - HEIGHT NEEDED 40 floors

Parkway Forest:
Parkway Forest I [Parkway Forest] - 479 ft. 48 floors
Parkway Forest II [Parkway Forest] - 420 ft. 42 floors
Parkway Forest IV [Parkway Forest] - 420 ft. 42 floors
Parkway Forest V [Parkway Forest] - 420 ft. 42 floors

Richmond-Adelaide Centre:
Richmond-Adelaide Centre [Richmond-Adelaide Centre] - 595 ft. 41 floors
Continental Bank of Canada Building [Richmond-Adelaide Centre] - 449 ft. 33 floors

RoCP:
College Park Tower I [RoCP] - 505 ft. 52 floors
College Park Tower II [RoCP] - HEIGHT NEEDED - 45 floors

Simcoe Place:
Ritz Carlton Hotel [Simcoe Place] - 699 ft. 53 floors
Wellington Square [Simcoe Place] - HEIGHT NEEDED 48 floors
Bank of America Tower [Simcoe Place] - 486 ft. 33 floors

The Palace Pier:
Palace Place [The Palace Pier] - 453 ft. 46 floors
Palace Pier [The Palace Pier] - 453 ft. 46 floors

Toronto Dominion Centre:
Toronto Dominion Bank Tower [Toronto-Dominion Centre] - 731 ft. 56 floors
Royal Trust Tower [Toronto-Dominion Centre] - 600 ft. 46 floors
79 Wellington Street West [Toronto-Dominion Centre] - 504 ft. 39 floors
Ernst & Young Tower [Toronto-Dominion Centre] - 437 ft. 31 floors
Canadian Pacific Tower [Toronto Dominion Centre] - 420 ft. 32 floors


Note: I know Pantages has a Hotel element to it, and I suspect others may too, but I don't know what % of the building is different from it's primary use. Generally I want to list a building as being single use if over 95% of its space/rooms are for that purpose.

Wow that really puts the building boom in perspective. I count 37 buildings over 500 ft in all statuses/stages of developement on this list. That is not so bad when you also consider how many buildings that are even less than 500 ft Toronto already has and the 40 or so on this list that are no less than 400 ft.

[valantino]

"Has anyone noticed the Maritime Life sign has been taken off the curving roof element of that building? Why?"

Probably because it no longer exists

[snoopy]

"Has anyone noticed the Maritime Life sign has been taken off the curving roof element of that building? Why?"

Probably because it no longer exists

can you care to explain to us that are ignorant? lol or just out of it completely.

[Filip]

^What doesn't exist, the company or the name? How am I supposed to know, I don't give two shits about company mergers, bankrupcies etc etc happening here.

[addisonwesley]

lol - Maritime Life + Manulife = Manulife

[Bertez]

^^LOL

[Istrian]

Originally Posted by Canuck
The list is for buildings greater than 400 feet, or 40 floors or more when height is unknown.

If you see anything that needs correcting/updating, let me know and I'll change it up.


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The Pinnacle Is not 37 but 40 storeys. They are just workin' on the 41 mechanical or the roof.

[Mr Man]

^ There are four pinnacle towers. I think one of them is to exceed 500ft.

But maybe the threads can be split and my original one closed if no rendering materializes.

All someone would need to do is call this number and drop by Kyle Rae's office to pick it up or snap a photo.

(416) 392-7903.

I'd do it myself if I was in town.

[thryve]

lol - Maritime Life + Manulife = Manulife

aww shucks i liked that sign with that building... dang... it was some nice infill too... but atleast the building is still there ;)

[Canuck]

Originally Posted by Canuck
The list is for buildings greater than 400 feet, or 40 floors or more when height is unknown.

If you see anything that needs correcting/updating, let me know and I'll change it up.


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The Pinnacle Is not 37 but 40 storeys. They are just workin' on the 41 mechanical or the roof.

Pinnicle Building I is 40 floors, and 397 feet. It does not meet the criteria for this list as I've set out.

[greekguymike]

big deal..3 feet difference..thats like half a persons size

[Canuck]

You're more than welcome to create your own list of buildings in Toronto that are 397 feet or taller.

[valantino]

Has that height been confirmed? - I remember it as 37 storeys & 397ft

I wonder why you chose 400 instead of the more popular 500 feet as your cutoff

[partybits]

I've personally have always used 400ft as the cutoff for skyscrapers. Obviously any number is arbitrary, but 500ft is only popular due to rounding (half of 1000). However, a 40 storey building (usually 400ft) is by all means a skyscpraper in my book.
Of course someone can also argue 300ft should be the cutoff. Any lower and your just being dumb...lol

[SD]

I've personally have always used 400ft as the cutoff for skyscrapers. Obviously any number is arbitrary, but 500ft is only popular due to rounding (half of 1000). However, a 40 storey building (usually 400ft) is by all means a skyscpraper in my book.
Of course someone can also argue 300ft should be the cutoff. Any lower and your just being dumb...lol


Jump off a 287ft. building and you may not think so anymore :wink2:

[Mr Man]

The height for the Four Seasons is 672ft by the way.

[samsonyuen]

Technically, it was Manulife Financial buying John Hancock, based in Boston. Maritime Life was their Canadian division. I guess we'll see Manulife on the building now.

[Mr Man]

And the 30-storey secondary tower will be 410ft, another to add to the list.
Planning report will be ready in mid-november.

Four Seasons must really be serious about this being their flagship hotel. The floor-to-ceiling heights are higher than your average hotel/condo.

[elliot]

672'?? It will absolutely dominate Y/B! Goes to show that "storeys" don't tell the story.

[Homer J. Simpson]

^Floor to ceiling heights, architectual roof elements and lobby levels have a way of making the storey count mean little at times. If you knew a building was 30 stories, then you would expect it to be something like 200 ft. But if it has a 100 ft spire, 13 ft per floor and a large mulity level lobby that is 50 ft, than the building will be someting like 450 ft. It's a totally ficticous example but it works.

[rbt]

672'?? It will absolutely dominate Y/B! Goes to show that "storeys" don't tell the story.
Not really. A person standing at Yonge & Bloor would probably find that Uptown or 1 Bloor East, if built, dominates the corner.

Bay and Bloor on the other hand...

Either way, over the next 5 years the height of nearly the entire core (Bloor south to Front) will be increasing quite a bit. 500' buildings seem to have become standard height for Bay street (Murano, College Park, Four Seasons, One City Hall if approved).

I think 2008 will be the year for all those parking lots just north of Dundas. Possible PATH connections, good transit, centre of the core, and successful projects to the north and south makes it a pretty good value even with the EnWave plant and other fugly neighbours.

[snoopy]

Just a question:
Is the 672ft tall tower "all" hotel and the 410ft tower entirely condominiums? Or are both a mixture of hotel and condominium units?

Also, will the Four Seasons be selling their Hotel units like Trump have?
If they don't, this baby, excluding the nimbies, could be built quite quickly. ^_^

[Mr Man]

The 672ft tower is a mix.

[CrazyCanuck]

Four Seasons must really be serious about this being their flagship hotel. The floor-to-ceiling heights are higher than your average hotel/condo.

I would hope so, this is their home city and we should deserve the best, as it seems like every other hotel operator at the moment is giving us. 672 ft is pretty tall, and it looks like in 5 years Manulife, the Bay and The CIBC buildings won't stand out so much anymore and will be eclipsed by all these new proposals, like Uptown, 1BE, Four Seasons etc...

[Jaye101]

I mean REALLY... Tomorro has come and gone, yet no picture.

[rapideye95]

Yeah talk about a HUGE delay

[Canuck]

Has that height been confirmed? - I remember it as 37 storeys & 397ft

I wonder why you chose 400 instead of the more popular 500 feet as your cutoff
Just because if I limited it to 500 feet the list would be substantialy shortened and a lot of rather tall, noticeable projects would be left out.

If I went shorter, say to 300 feet, then I'd have the hassles of keeping track of many more towers and the list would get ever messier as a great number of built towers wouldn't have a known height.

400 seems like a reasonable compromise - big enough to allow for movement and change on the list, but not too big to keep track of.

[Canuck]

Are both towers in the Four Seasons Complex a Hotel/Residential split?

[416]

There's a website up but no renderings:

http://www.yorkvilleresidences.com

[Bertez]

^^It has been up for a while

[partybits]

Okay Mr. Man, since you started this thread, I expect you to go to Kyle Rae's office pronto. Don't give me that i'm in Tallahassee b/s. That's why they invented planes. Now...get going. I want an answer by 5PM tonight! :jk:

[valantino]

If only I had a scanner

[Byron]

^^ Do you have a digital camera?

[Mr Man]

Are both towers in the Four Seasons Complex a Hotel/Residential split?

the 30-storey one is fully residential. The other is more or less an equal mix.

[Mr Man]

http://www.toronto.ca/planning/fourseasons.htm

Nothing new but check it out if your hungry for info.

Nov 15 is the date the full report will come before council.

[rapideye95]

Not bad, that update did help a bit....but no rendering is still just...ah....CRAP....but thanks for the update Mr.Man

[Travis007]

I think the thread title is cursed, tomorrow is always coming but it never arrives. ;)

[partybits]

For the sake of my sanity, let's close this thread until we get a rendering...lol

[Jackhammer]

^^^^^^^ I suppose if we could all contain ourselves and stop posting the damn thing will get buried. We can then start again once someone has an actual rendering.

[rbt]

Why stop posting? At this rate the thread might split before we even get a rendering, let alone a finished building.

[Travis007]

And we're back!!

Here's a beautiful higher-res render of the base from a city PDF file:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Switzer/fourseasons.jpg

Other PDF file elevation renderings:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Switzer/363848YorkvilleRoad-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Switzer/363848YorkvilleRoad-2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Switzer/363848YorkvilleRoad-3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Switzer/363848YorkvilleRoad-5.jpg


Hopefully we'll see a full-colour and detailed rendering released very soon.

[Bertez]

The base looks awesome

[KGB]

What a great new focus for the north end of the downtown skyline...at nearly 700 feet ( 211m), it will not only extend the skyline slightly north of Bloor, it will take focus away from the less-than-inspiring architecture of those towers at Y&B.






KGB

[CrazyCanuck]

yeah, Yonge and Bloor with Uptown and four seasons will detract from the lifeless towers that are there now.

[Mr Man]

Looks like my initial fears may have been overblown. This tower looks good.

[valantino]

I am somewhat surprised by the neutral position of the planning department

[Mr Man]

It's also receiving special treatment...

The City website is hosting high quality PDF renderings and all. They have never done that for any other development.

[rbt]

So who is going to take the over/under bets for construction start?

I say it gets tendered within 1 month of public sales for the residential units.

[Filip]

This thing should go up pretty quickly. It's Four Seasons' new flagship hotel, in their hometown of Toronto. I say they're wanting to make quite the impact, as quickly as possible.

[rise_against]

are they not building bigger hotels beside the petrona's towers on KL? If this is the flag ship hotel why dont we get the nicer one?

[Dino Domingo]

are they not building bigger hotels beside the petrona's towers on KL? If this is the flag ship hotel why dont we get the nicer one?

Wow, that's two comments in one night you've made that I could not agree more with!

The Four Season's is Toronto-based (!!!) Why the hell can't our city get the creme of the crop? Not only are Kuala Lumpur's (love that city) much taller, but their design is much nicer. They're very Dubai-ish!

[valantino]

"are they not building bigger hotels beside the petrona's towers on KL?"

remember - sometimes the developer and at other times a tenant

also the KL towers (which I find your typical crass Asian design in a suburban setting) wouldn't find into Yorkville or any other part of the city (Mississauga perhaps)

[drummer]

So..I drove down Bay steet in Yorkville yesterday....so where are these towers gonna be guilt?
I noticed constraction on west corner of Bay and Yorkville.

[Jackhammer]

are they not building bigger hotels beside the petrona's towers on KL? If this is the flag ship hotel why dont we get the nicer one?
All we have are elevations. Too early to tell which will be more attractive and taller does not necessarily mean better.

Besides, I think they would pushing with the residents of Yorkville if they were to propose a taller structure.

[rise_against]

All I’m saying is that why don’t we get the taller one? Are flag ship hotels not usually the biggest and best the chain has to offer? I’m not saying ours is going to be a piece of crap. From the elevations (I realize this is not the final design) it does not look that fantastic or different at all. The ones in KL are great looking in my opinion and different then the average “box” that we seem to love here in Toronto. Don’t get me wrong I like the box design but I want to see something different in this great city. Doesn’t anyone else? Maybe they should build somewhere else then Yorkville?

[Buster]

All I’m saying is that why don’t we get the taller one? Are flag ship hotels not usually the biggest and best the chain has to offer? I’m not saying ours is going to be a piece of crap. From the elevations (I realize this is not the final design) it does not look that fantastic or different at all. The ones in KL are great looking in my opinion and different then the average “box” that we seem to love here in Toronto. Don’t get me wrong I like the box design but I want to see something different in this great city. Doesn’t anyone else? Maybe they should build somewhere else then Yorkville?

Tall is nice but not necessary. I'd take class over crass any day of the week.

As for location, the Four Seasons would be stupid to put it anywhere else BUT Yorkville. The current hotel is already the top choice for those connected with the entertainment industry, and I'd expect the same clientel when the new building is completed.

[rise_against]

I suppose that makes sense...but have you seen the KL renders? If you have i dont think that you would think they are not classy. However if you think they are not classy because there not boxes, thats pretty stupid. Who says non boxes are not classy? I can't believe i'm hearing people on SKYSCRAPERCITY say that more height is not better. I know it may not make a crapy building good (sapphire) but it sure as hell helps and i think that height barriers should always be pushed. Otherwise Toronto will always be a 50 story city.

[rise_against]

Wow, that's two comments in one night you've made that I could not agree more with!

The Four Season's is Toronto-based (!!!) Why the hell can't our city get the creme of the crop? Not only are Kuala Lumpur's (love that city) much taller, but their design is much nicer. They're very Dubai-ish!

:righton:right on man:hug:

[Jackhammer]

I suppose that makes sense...but have you seen the KL renders? If you have i dont think that you would think they are not classy. However if you think they are not classy because there not boxes, thats pretty stupid. Who says non boxes are not classy? I can't believe i'm hearing people on SKYSCRAPERCITY say that more height is not better. I know it may not make a crapy building good (sapphire) but it sure as hell helps and i think that height barriers should always be pushed. Otherwise Toronto will always be a 50 story city.
Actually I was just playing devil's advocate. I do agree we need another structure besides the CN tower that really stands out. However, I still think we should wait on a full rendering before slumping over our keyboards with are heads in our hands.

[rise_against]

lol true just trying to make a point!

[valantino]

" I do agree we need another structure besides the CN tower that really stands out."

I disagree. I like having the one really tall tower as well as the look of the core where no lone tower dominates the others

[valantino]

"Otherwise Toronto will always be a 50 story city"

Better than being a 200 storey city built on the backs of mistreated workforce

[rise_against]

Hey dont get me wrong i don't want to be like KL or Dubai, It just struck me funny that this is their falgship hotel and yet they are building a bigger one in KL. I think we should get the bigger one! And your right ^^ about your comment. I think you just misinturpreted what i was trying to say.

[Taller, Better]

Hey dont get me wrong i don't want to be like KL or Dubai, It just struck me funny that this is their falgship hotel and yet they are building a bigger one in KL. I think we should get the bigger one! And your right ^^ about your comment. I think you just misinturpreted what i was trying to say.
The number of rooms in the planned hotel has to be a realistic figure to
match the demand in each city. It would be pointless building a super tall
hotel if they can't fill it. Remember, as it stands, there will be two Four
Seasons operating in TO at the end of it all... no one knows yet what will be
done with the old one. May just keep it operating with lower room rates.
Personally, I am very happy with the one they are proposing! :)

[rapideye95]

Toronto can build a bit taller...but Toronto's skyline has always intended the CN tower to take the cake in height.... If you want to build continuity in the skyline...then do it like this start from the CBD...then rise a bit of going north....like elliot's rendering...then the more north you go just build a bit taller...till about the end of college/carlton...and then gradually decrease height until you get to yonge and bloor...their should be no building past 400m tall....look at new york...they don't have the tallest buildings....but the city has pure continuity in their skyline....if toronto can do this then we will have the #1 skyline.

[valantino]

"It just struck me funny that this is their falgship hotel and yet they are building a bigger one in KL. "

But like I mention one the previous page - they may not be the developer for the one in KL (not to mention KL is far closer than Toronto to their major shareholder)

[Dino Domingo]

Well the former village of Yorkville was swallowed up by the city of Toronto a long time ago. I think the residents there need to step into the 21st century and get over their NIMBY-selves. This is where the Four Season's is located, and as the flagship hotel, it's time for an extreme make-over. Should this include building wider, taller, and (hopefully) more elegantly than so be it.

[rise_against]

Yup i wish :)

[Travis007]

Well it all depends on the city settings and context of the surroundings. TO could have the world's most goddamn elegant building in the world proposed for this site and it wouldn't work because of the relatively low-rise surroundings. The towers in KL work because anything goes in Asia, that's why there are usually so much tacky pomo buildings that wouldn't be found anywhere else in the world. (Not saying that I find KL's FS towers ugly, I like them but you wouldn't find something like that in downtown Toronto) The boxy-glassy designs for TO's Four Seasons, I find them fairly impressive, nothing jaw-droppingly amazing but it sure does upgrade the area skyline-wise.

As for height, well the developer has to respect the original low-rise neigbourhood which is Yorkville. We could easily have a single 800 ft. tower but that would be pushing it too far. The height works well for me being around 600 ft. and TO's skyline heights will gradually increase with so many developments built along the Yonge corridor. There's only a few places in the city where you could build a super-tall building without controversy and they are rare. The only sites I see outside of the MINT are Yonge/Bloor and Yonge/Gerrard.

[rbt]

The only sites I see outside of the MINT are ... Yonge/Gerrard.
Wishful thinking for a certain parking lot?
I wouldn't have thought so a few years ago, but with Murano, Met, and College Park a 200 to 230m tower here doesn't seem so out of place anymore.

[valantino]

I don't see the assumed RoCP 3 (& 4?) site being much taller than the first 2 towers

MY choices would be the CBD, Bloor/Yorkville, and Mississauga City Centre

[Bertez]

Well, the renderings are due tommorow.......

[rise_against]

Can't wait ;) they better be stunning!

[Travis007]

Umm....the renderings were due tomorrow since Oct. 10. We do however have the elevations which give a broad outline of how the towers will look like but stay tuned until full coloured renders are released, I'm guessing when they'll start sales or something.

[urban 2.0]

-- now if they could do something about the corner to the north of the site - it is the ugliest mish-mashes of buildings in the city.

This city has some of the ugliest architecture in the world!!!

[Mr Man]

The renderings were on display during a public meeting which took place October 11th. No one attended and the oppurtunity is lost. I thought you guys would have appreciated the heads up, but I now see that was a mistake.

[Travis007]

-- now if they could do something about the corner to the north of the site - it is the ugliest mish-mashes of buildings in the city.

This city has some of the ugliest architecture in the world!!!

Yeah there's a lot of shit buildings in and around Yorkville. Bay/Bloor, Yonge/Bloor and the northern portions of Bay and Yonge have some ugly shit on it.

BTW: Any news on a possible re-development on the underwhelming Cumberland Lanes.?

[Travis007]

The renderings were on display during a public meeting which took place October 11th. No one attended and the oppurtunity is lost. I thought you guys would have appreciated the heads up, but I now see that was a mistake.

*sigh* If only I had a digital camera with me... :(

[rise_against]

if i lived closer i would have went..:(

[valantino]

I was out of town

[cassius]

I was at today's meeting but didn't realize that Four Seasons was going before counsil today or I would have stuck around a little longer. Didn't have a digital camera with me though.

[Travis007]

http://www.toronto.ca/planning/fourseasons.htm

http://www.toronto.ca/planning/images/4s_courtyard2_lg.jpg
http://www.toronto.ca/planning/images/4s_bay_elevation_lg.jpg
http://www.toronto.ca/planning/images/4s_bay_lobby_lg.jpg
http://www.toronto.ca/planning/images/4s_bayyorkville_cafe_lg.jpg

Description of Proposal

The development proposal is for a mixed-use development consisting of two buildings, a 205 metre (55-storey) hotel-residential tower at the northeast corner of Bay Street and Yorkville Avenue and a 125 metre (30-storey) residential tower on the south side of Scollard Street east of Bay Street. The floor plate for the hotel portion is 1,225 square metres and above that, the residential portion of the tower has a step back of 4.6 m along the east and west walls and a floor plate of approximately 955 square metres. The floor plate for the 30-storey building is approximately 735 square metres up to the 8th storey, stepping back to 665 square metres above that height.

The at-grade street frontages of the podium building along Bay Street and Yorkville Avenue consist of retail uses along both frontages and the hotel lobby would open onto both Bay Street and an internal courtyard. The lobby for the 30-storey building would also open onto Scollard Street. The residential lobby of the 55-storey building would also open onto the internal courtyard.

The 55-storey tower would sit atop a terraced 6-storey podium building, which would occupy the entire Bay Street frontage on the site. The two towers would be linked together with a central access courtyard at grade, as well as by a pedestrian bridge at the 6th storey level.

The 55-storey tower would comprise of a 23-storey, 265-room hotel and the remaining 32-stories above the hotel floors consist of 150-unit residential tower. The second to the fifth floors would accommodate ballrooms, banquet rooms and meeting rooms for the hotel. At the sixth floor level, there would be a fitness facility and a swimming pool on a rooftop terrace overlooking Scollard Street. The 30-storey tower would contain 180 units.

Vehicular access would be provided from both Yorkville Avenue and Scollard Street. The internal courtyard would provide access to drop-off areas for the hotel lobby and the two residential towers. Ramp access to a four level underground garage would be located in the northwest corner of the courtyard. The 1st level of parking will contain the limousine/taxi waiting area. Loading would be located within the podium building facing Scollard Street.

[Skybean]

Wow. The base looks quite nice. See some of the Opera House in the design, with less brick and more glass. Looks to be very open and refreshing. Any renders for the full elevation?

[Travis007]

^^ Nope, not yet but it should be soon since they have released more detailed base renderings. Apparently, the ugly-ass car dealership will also be demolished so it's great news. I love the base and how the courtyard connects with the older buildings of Yorkville. This is definitely one of my favorite projects in TO right now! :)

[valantino]

I like it - so much so I may buy

[CrazyCanuck]

Then you know you would have to have a party for all of your scc buddies don't you? LOL That would be amazing though, it looks like such a nice building. The second and third renderings look almost like the design is based on the TD centre.

[snoopy]

SUGEI! amazing base... i am awaiting the renderings of the tower in anticipation.

LOOK at the ceiling heights.... hahaha.

[Buster]

Cool. I really like how a lot of new buildings (particulalry instiutional buildings) have giant glass facades at ground-level which blurs the line between the street and a building's interior.

[CrazyCanuck]

In T.O. lately it seems there is a high priority on having a building that interacts with the street.

[rise_against]

A cafe, a huge podium and outside lighting effects...looks good. I want to see the elevation renders now really bad!

[Travis007]

Lookin' super fresh! :cool:

New 3D full colour elevation of the towers released by the city:

http://www.toronto.ca/planning/images/4s_dusk_lg.jpg

The current retail building along Bay and the ugly car dealership bunker will be gone. :)

http://www.toronto.ca/planning/images/4s_siteplan_lg.jpg

[Filip]

^^OOOOOOOOO
That's one slick looking building!;)

[bboy_u]

that looks wicked!!!
the yonge/bloor area needs some new buildings to blend in with the old (CASA, Uptown, Four Seasons).
looking forward to the developments.
thanks travis

[rt_0891]

Great!

[Bertez]

Wow......Wow.......Wow........

[DrT]

OMG! My jaw is on the floor somewhere. :eek2:



Deserving flagship for The Four Seasons "home" property. :applause:

[metroboi_nay]

Nice building :) Now since this is Toronto and things get delayed or not even built, is there any idea if and when it will be built? *thank god that old dealership is going, it makes the area look trashy* lol

[Jackhammer]

Well if were going to be a city of boxes, at least we may be able to say no one builds them like us. Beautiful buildings.

[Taller, Better]

I don't think it looks boxy at all... I think it looks supremely sophisticated and
sleek. If this is "boxy" I'd take it over butt-plug, or corkscrew shaped anyday..

[snoopy]

toronto... we have a masterpiece

[Confused Philosopher]

Well if were going to be a city of boxes, at least we may be able to say no one builds them like us. Beautiful buildings.

Agreed. How most people envision boxes are usually thinking of buildings say from the 60's to 80's. This here is pure quality.

[rise_against]

That building is timeless. Truly a "Toronto Style" building.

[neilio]

FINALLYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wow ive been waiting for this for along time!
It looks great

[Filip]

That building is timeless. Truly a "Toronto Style" building.
Agreed - who to do the Toronto style better than Toronto itself?;)

This could very well be the best example we have of our style, along with the Shangri La,

[neilio]

Agreed - who to do the Toronto style better than Toronto itself?;)

This could very well be the best example we have of our style, along with the Shangri La,

I thought shangri-la was more of a vancouver style...i guess it does fit in with the "Toronto style" though.

[Filip]

I thought shangri-la was more of a vancouver style...i guess it does fit in with the "Toronto style" though.
Vancouver style is the more bland cityplace design. Toronto style has sleek lines, powerful use of glass, glass canopies and the glass crown;)

[Taller, Better]

Agreed. How most people envision boxes are usually thinking of buildings say from the 60's to 80's. This here is pure quality.
Always remember, Mies Van der Rohe's TD Tower is a "box"!
Boxes are not always bad........ :) :)

[rt_0891]

Vancouver style is the more bland cityplace design. Toronto style has sleek lines, powerful use of glass, glass canopies and the glass crown;)

That actually sounds like the maturing Vancouver style .. ie. Shaw Tower. ;)

Many of James Cheung's ideas for the new Fairmont in Vancouver, and the 2 new Shangri-La buildings emulate Shaw Tower's successes.

[neilio]

So is ther any Time line for this tower yet (date of construction start/occupation)

[valantino]

"Vancouver style is the more bland cityplace design. Toronto style has sleek lines, powerful use of glass, glass canopies and the glass crown"

no offense - but I believe you're quite confused

Vancouver no doubt is the centre of the glass canopy universe and haven't a clue where the glass crowns comes from unless a glass clad mechanical floor, in your opinions, counts.

Also, while Cityplace has similarities, the towers are not of the prevailing Vancouver Style which is a hodgepodge of setbacks and solariums

[urban 2.0]

http://www.toronto.ca/planning/images/4s_siteplan_lg.jpg

... my only change would be to have the loading section on the north side of the building and to place cafe's lining the square (west side of the building) be great to sit outside in summer with views of the firehall tower.

[TORONTOCOPENHAGEN]

It's a beauty. When is construction supposed to start?

Peter K

[wheelingman]

I love it!!

[CrazyCanuck]

I love it, it seems to me the thin black lines scream art deco design. A nice Po-mo box at that. I'm curious as to what the shorter tower looks like.

[Buster]

... my only change would be to have the loading section on the north side of the building and to place cafe's lining the square (west side of the building) be great to sit outside in summer with views of the firehall tower.

I'd love to see more courtyard cafes and intimate outdoor spaces in Toronto, and that would be a fine location for that (except when the firetruck sirens start wailing!).

On the other hand, Bay street anywhere north of Queen lacks the pedestrian traffic of streets like Yonge, a block away. We can't expect every street in this city to be as vibrant as Bloor/College/Queen/Yonge etc., but Bay plays a pivitol role in Yorkville.

With the exception of the Bay-Bloor intersection, it's a huge barrier where pedestrians (reminds me of Avenue road on the other side of Yorkville), risk life and limb trying to dodge taxis, beamers, and buses. Streets north of Bloor, south of Davenport, and east of Bay are isolated from the rest of Yorkville, cut off by giant arteries, and plagued by a nasty car dealership (thank god it's going), and Cumberland Terrace.

So getting back to the original discussion, anything that'll encourage more pedestrian activity on Bay street in Yorkville is good news to me. Now we have to add more stoplights along the street.

[Taller, Better]

PoMo? I don't see this project being that style from the 80's.

[Filip]

Ok officially this is the most carefully planned condo tower going up - this park is simply what Toronto needed. Large courtyard + large fancy fountain!

http://www.toronto.ca/planning/images/4s_5_view_of_courtyard.jpg
http://www.toronto.ca/planning/images/4s_6_19th_century_scale.jpg
http://www.toronto.ca/planning/images/4s_3_concept_victoriancollection_box.jpg
http://www.toronto.ca/planning/images/4s_11_landscape_plan.jpg
http://www.toronto.ca/planning/images/4s_4_birdsey_view.jpg
http://www.toronto.ca/planning/images/4s_9_grandfountain.jpg

Victorian meets clean modern lines? ONLY IN TO!

[camel_trainer]

Wow. Love it. It just has that look of a top notch, well-planned site. Where did you get those renderings, Filip? They kick ass.

[Filip]

^^Hehe UrbanToronto - great forum for Toronto development freaks... Umm, but the renderings are originally from the Toronto planning website. Even the city seems to be really giving this project a friendly push forward.

[camel_trainer]

^^Hehe UrbanToronto - great forum for Toronto development freaks... Umm, but the renderings are originally from the Toronto planning website. Even the city seems to be really giving this project a friendly push forward.

UrbanToronto won't let me set up an account to post there. It rejects me with no explanation and then there's nowhere to go for help. I feel like an immigrant trying to get a job in Canada.

[urban 2.0]

... me too - the back door to the site is to do google searches and find relevent pages!

I gave up and stuck around here, yawn.

Welcome to the 905!

[KGB]

What a big change eh....that entire block used to be total crap...now it will be total quality.

We should do more of that. Next block?






KGB

[Dino Domingo]

Wow! Until I saw this latest rendering of the two Four Seasons Buildings, I couldn't picture exactly where they would be in terms of their position in the upper-downtown skyline. They are on the same street as 18 Yorkville! That whole area is gonna really explode in the coming years! The Uptown, Casa, the X, and possibly 1 Bloor East too, all around Yonge/Bloor, it's gonna look amazing together.

:)

[rise_against]

Holy 'Exceeded Expectations' Batman! Thats gonna look sweeeeeeet. Now they should rip up the roads and put in interlocking bricks to make that area look real classy.

[camel_trainer]

Holy 'Exceeded Expectations' Batman! Thats gonna look sweeeeeeet. Now they should rip up the roads and put in interlocking bricks to make that area look real classy.

Holy cobblestones, Batman! That's a damn good idea. At least for Yorkville. I wonder how prohibitive the cost would be and who would pay for it.

[KGB]

Doesn't Yorkville already have a $30 million street ehancement program they are supposed to be starting this year?






KGB

[valantino]

"Holy cobblestones, Batman! That's a damn good idea. At least for Yorkville. I wonder how prohibitive the cost would be and who would pay for it."

(low end) interlocking brick are incredibly cheap - at most twice the cost of asphalt

[Taller, Better]

"Holy cobblestones, Batman! That's a damn good idea. At least for Yorkville. I wonder how prohibitive the cost would be and who would pay for it."

(low end) interlocking brick are incredibly cheap - at most twice the cost of asphalt

It all depends how much they want to spend. The low-end interlocking bricks
look more suburban patio than quaint cobblestone, but if they are serious in having an authentic look they can achieve it. Here is a newish installation at harbourfront that is particularily well done:

http://img485.imageshack.us/img485/4217/jan3006harbourfrontpigeonsi3tq.jpg

[snoopy]

i love i love i love the 4Seasons even more now... those residents at 18 Yorkville got such a good deal...

P.S. someone HAS to post these courtyard renderings in the News and Developments page... i would but i do not want to take credit away from filip

[rise_against]

Do the cobblestones last as long as asphalt?

[Metroland]

Ok officially this is the most carefully planned condo tower going up - this park is simply what Toronto needed. Large courtyard + large fancy fountain!

http://www.toronto.ca/planning/images/4s_5_view_of_courtyard.jpg
http://www.toronto.ca/planning/images/4s_6_19th_century_scale.jpg
http://www.toronto.ca/planning/images/4s_3_concept_victoriancollection_box.jpg
http://www.toronto.ca/planning/images/4s_11_landscape_plan.jpg
http://www.toronto.ca/planning/images/4s_4_birdsey_view.jpg
http://www.toronto.ca/planning/images/4s_9_grandfountain.jpg

Victorian meets clean modern lines? ONLY IN TO!

I'm a big fan of fountains, I hope this one turns out nice.
Too bad its not a public fountain, I want Toronto to get some more.

[valantino]

"Do the cobblestones last as long as asphalt"

cobblestones, if installed properly, will last longer than the proposed Four Seasons Tower

[Travis007]

I love the whole courtyard idea integrating the older historic Yorkville buildings with the new development. That whole block (including 18 Yorkville) might just be the greatest newly developed block in the city when its completed, fully integrating residential, retail, and parks/plazas. In fact all of Yorkville will be greatly improved with all these condo projects adding life and street presence to the neighbourhood. This has quickly become my favorite project in TO right now, just hope they'll sell well.

I like the fountain, just not so keen on a Victorian fountain, considering how it clashes with the neo-modern towers.

[Bertez]

WOW

[DrJoe]

http://www.toronto.ca/planning/images/4s_5_view_of_courtyard.jpg

http://www.toronto.ca/planning/images/4s_6_19th_century_scale.jpg

http://www.toronto.ca/planning/images/4s_9_grandfountain.jpg

Wow, if those are all to scale(and it looks like they are) that fountain will be like 25 ft tall.

[neilio]

holy crap...thats a big fountian!

[urban 2.0]

... We should just make it an official planning rule that all new buildings must make the city look like some other city - as to give us even more locals for American made movies.

I think we need more of a Paris - London look - and this is a great first start.

[Taller, Better]

Do the cobblestones last as long as asphalt?

We call them cobblestones, but they are not really such in the sense that
they are in Europe, where they used small stones with rounded tops that
gave a very bumpy ride to people on bicycles. The best we could hope for
is they could use bricks, which would echo the way it was done historically
in early Canadian cities. Here are a couple of examples. The first is at our
Distillery District. I do not know if the "cobblestones" are original to the 1830
site. The second was taken in Old Montreal. Again, I have no idea exactly how
old they are:

http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/7739/jan3006distillerydistrictsidew.jpg

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/9260/oct2305oldmontrealcobblestones.jpg
So, like Valantino says, if done correctly they will last longer than any of us.
I am just afraid they might cheap out and use those ghastly "interlok" patio
dealies... whoa are they hideous looking.

[thryve]

Down with patio stones! Yorkville deserves better!

-thryve

[rise_against]

We call them cobblestones, but they are not really such in the sense that
they are in Europe, where they used small stones with rounded tops that
gave a very bumpy ride to people on bicycles. The best we could hope for
is they could use bricks, which would echo the way it was done historically
in early Canadian cities. Here are a couple of examples. The first is at our
Distillery District. I do not know if the "cobblestones" are original to the 1830
site. The second was taken in Old Montreal. Again, I have no idea exactly how
old they are:

http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/7739/jan3006distillerydistrictsidew.jpg

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/9260/oct2305oldmontrealcobblestones.jpg
So, like Valantino says, if done correctly they will last longer than any of us.
I am just afraid they might cheap out and use those ghastly "interlok" patio
dealies... whoa are they hideous looking.

Great pics! Thats what i am talking about!!!

[addisonwesley]

Looks like they gave up on using a straight edge after the first eight bricks or so.

[valantino]

Just remember the road builders are the closest thing to the Simpson's stonecutters - further discussion on cobblestone roadways may earn us all a pair of concrete boots

[urban 2.0]

Is there any difference between using brick or stone for the cobblestone type road?

I noticed where ever the city uses brick in the sidewalk that after a decade they crack and crumble.

[officedweller]

In the second shot it looks like there's a depression there - so the curve could either be shifting of stones or purposely to direct drainage.

[Taller, Better]

In the second shot it looks like there's a depression there - so the curve could either be shifting of stones or purposely to direct drainage.

I believe it was just shifting of the stones due to age of the old street in
Old Montreal. The street was going downhill, and I imagine freezing/thawing
play havoc with the straight design of the bricks. It was so wonky, that I
couldn't resist the photo.
Just outside on my street I saw a couple of examples of interlocking brick:
First, the dreaded cheapo patio ones:

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/4724/feb2305dreadedinterlockbricks8.jpg

and a much nicer installation with moss growing in between the cobblestones
and staying green all winter:

http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/2884/feb2305nicerinterlockbricks9qi.jpg

Never thought so much of cobblestones in all my life! LOL!

[riley]

Wow, I just saw those renderings of the Four Seasons hotel, condo and park, and they look great. I live in 18 Yorkville, and when I was told there was going to be a Four Seasons rising there, I was really upset that it was going to totally block my view. I actually AM still sort of upset about losing my view, but I've come to accept that living downtown today with so much construction, your view is bound to get lost at some point. Now at least my neighbour will be contributing a very nice looking park and the building itself looks great. I suppose it will probably help my condo in the end, and if I have to be looking at a hotel, at least I'll have a view of a nice additional park. thanks for posting those pics.

[Mike in TO]

^ The new development should also contribute significantly to your property value. You are lucky to have a five star hotel and condos selling for $800sqf next door to your property.

[KGB]

I really don't see how it could "block" your view anyway. It's far enough away, and thin enough, that it will just be part of your view, rather than blocking it...it's not like there is anything on the other side of the part facing you worth looking at anyway.







KGB

[riley]

Well, if you could see my view now, i get a nice long unobstructed view overlooking Yorkville Ave and beyond, and stunning sunsets and vistas of clouds, etc. It's like a beautiful open view. If I can figure out how to post pics on here I could post a pic of the current view from my West window. I can see cranes for the Regency and the Hazelton too. The new building will effectively wipe out most of my nice view, and block a lot of the direct sun that currently floods in. However, it is far enough away that I'll still be able to see to the left and right of it, and i have a corner unit, so my view will still wrap to the north. I'm okay with it now, (i dont have a choice), and the fact that the proposed plan does look so nice makes me happy. View issues aside, it definitely will make the rest of the street looks a million times better as that park and the new hotel are obviously massive improvements over that ugly bunker of a car dealership and the Mr. Sub.

[elliot]

What he's saying is you could throw a rock and it will fall hundreds of feet short of your new neighbour. Therefore your view will be changed but still spectacular. Your original investment will appreciate by 50% minimum in the first year.

So enjoy the view.

[rise_against]

Nice to see you understand the ideals of living in a booming downtowns. Kudos for not throwing a hissy fit like most people would.

[riley]

Thanks rise.

[camel_trainer]

Wow, I just saw those renderings of the Four Seasons hotel, condo and park, and they look great. I live in 18 Yorkville, and when I was told there was going to be a Four Seasons rising there, I was really upset that it was going to totally block my view. I actually AM still sort of upset about losing my view, but I've come to accept that living downtown today with so much construction, your view is bound to get lost at some point. Now at least my neighbour will be contributing a very nice looking park and the building itself looks great. I suppose it will probably help my condo in the end, and if I have to be looking at a hotel, at least I'll have a view of a nice additional park. thanks for posting those pics.

Yeah, riley, great attitude. This is what Toronto needs. People that buy into what this city can be with good density intensification and beautiful projects like the Four Seasons. While you acknowledge the change in view will be an issue, you also see the bigger picture. I'm wondering if you could possibly gauge the reaction from others in your situation to shed some light on whether yours is an attitude that is becoming more common.

Thanks.

[riley]

thanks camel trainer! sure, i'll ask some of my neighbours their thoughts on the development and let you know what the consensus seems to be.

[mikep]

This was in The Globe And Mail:


School board gets $2-million over shadow hotel would cast

JEFF GRAY

The developers behind a proposed high-rise Four Seasons Hotel and condominium complex in Yorkville are giving $2-million to a nearby school after concerns were raised about how much shadow the project's two towers would cast over the school's playground.

But the plans for the Toronto-based luxury hotel chain's new five-star, 46-storey flagship, just east of the existing Four Seasons in Yorkville, are still expected to face opposition before a city council committee today.

The development, which will cost at least $325-million, has been in the works since last summer, and calls for two towers, one 46 storeys and the other 30 storeys, mostly on land now occupied by a car dealership at Bay Street and Yorkville Avenue.

The taller structure was originally set to be 55 storeys, but was shortened after a series of meetings with residents and city officials, said Councillor Kyle Rae, who supports the project.

However, the towers will still cast some shadows, especially in the morning, on the playground at Jesse Ketchum Public School, on Davenport Road north of the site, causing parents and some local residents to object to the plans.

Toronto District School Board chairwoman Sheila Ward agreed yesterday to drop the board's objections in return for $2-million.

The money will go to building new play equipment relocated to a sunny area, skylights to compensate for the lack of sunlight, and other building improvements.

"Two million dollars is not to be sneezed at," said Ms. Ward, who accepted the deal before a 5 p.m. deadline yesterday that was set by the developers, a joint venture between the Four Seasons and Menkes Developments Ltd.

Ms. Ward said she had spoken with three of the five members of the school's parents' council, who were supportive of the $2-million deal.

However, Donna Wright, chairwoman of the parents' council, said yesterday, before she learned of the deal, that she didn't want the school to trade sunlight for cash.

"I don't think sunshine should be sold at any price," Ms. Wright said.

She pledged to speak out against the development today when the plans come before the Toronto and East York Community Council.

In addition to the $2-million for the school, the developer is promising another almost $8-million in street improvements, public art, a publicly accessible park area, and improvements to the nearby historic fire hall and the Toronto Reference Library.

But Mary-Helen Spence of the Avenue Bay Cottingham Residents Association said the project is too dense for the area, and accuses the city of giving the development "special treatment."

The current Four Seasons on Avenue Road, which has played host in recent years to countless Hollywood stars during the Toronto International Film Festival, as well as the Rolling Stones, Nelson Mandela and Tony Bennett, is expected to continue to operate as a hotel even after the new property opens in 2009

[KGB]

People sure are scared of shadows. Saving those kids from getting skin cancer anyhow...developer should ask for $2 mill from the school. 2 million dollars...jezuz christ. They better do something useful with that money.






KGB

[DrT]

RE: $2 million to school board.

That is plain extortion and ransom taking by NIMBY'S.
Never pay ransoms, everyone will now want cash for "shadows".
If I were the Four Seasons, I'd tell them they can live with all their sunshine in eventual poverty after all self respecting businesses and new residentials that bring jobs and people to the area build elsewhere. They can keep a deteriorating neighborhood where no one builds anything that will shadow anyone.
That is the biggest bunch of BS I ever heard. Thanks to city hall for bringing the shadow issue up and using it to kill the Sapphire project. Now everyone is jumping on that bandwagon.

[Bertez]

Fucking NIMBY's......

[CrazyCanuck]

Over at SSP one of those Nimby's signed up on the board just to discuss this. The forumers were giving her the third degree. Basically this is saying that urban development around schools is a bad thing.

Those kids better get gold covered rubber balls.

[rise_against]

Well at least its going towards a school and not...a car dealership or something.

[Taller, Better]

I think they should take the 2 mil and shut up.

[duff+eglin]

Hearing it was down to 46 stories made me feel sick. Couldnt they have at least raised the height of the other building 9 stories to compensate?

[Dino Domingo]

What??? Its no longer 55 stories???

:cry:

[Taller, Better]

Nope. Kyle the councillor talked them down.
A shadow striking a child can be fatal.

[camel_trainer]

The whole skin cancer thing is pretty funny, isn't it.

As long as no homeowner ever tries to get a cash settlement, I have no problem with a public school getting it. Yeah, it's a slippery slope, but at least it's a school and not an individual.