Telus Tower | U/C | 30 st | 136.1 m | Downtown

[valantino]

hoarding is now fully erected and oh my gosh ... so am I


















chair just broke

[CrazyCanuck]

Wow, that didn't take long at all, does anyone have any pics of the site?

[phunky]

lol valantino

[Marcanadian]

Weird render...

http://www.urbandb.com/canada/ontario/toronto/1union_rendering.jpg

[Martinsizon]

Wow, that didn't take long at all, does anyone have any pics of the site?

Yup they are working quickly on it :| :yes:

http://www.upside-down.ca/sdphotos/shovel.jpg

[neilio]

^^^^^^ oh gosh....please tell me Tom Cruz isnt top dawg on this project...its bound to get attacked by aliens!!

Seriously though is this thing really going to start construction soon?! I mean we dont even know what the official height it do we? Its not even in the SSp diagrams yet.

[Waterloo_Guy]

Why not start now?

[valantino]

Its not even in the SSp diagrams yet.

of course it is

[Marcanadian]

There's info on it but no drawing.

[valantino]

it's there though but I see estimated heights aren't displayed. Unless someone goes out of there way and contacts the developer, architect, or contractor the estimated height of 130m (roof) 160m (spire) will stand for a very long time

[Canuck]

Weird render...

http://www.urbandb.com/canada/ontario/toronto/1union_rendering.jpg

That's an old rendering from a few years ago. Since been updated.

[Marcanadian]

Ah Ok, I wondered about that.

[thryve]

Didn't know old people like yourself were capable of that!

Good to know about the hoarding though!! Crazy!!

-thryve

[valantino]

"I thiink you are old, I'm maybe just assuming"

I don't know if I should feel complimented or affended ;)

[InTheBeach]

Wow, that didn't take long at all, does anyone have any pics of the site?

For the chair to break? Please, no pictures.

[rapideye95]

WOW...some of you are too queer

[Taller, Better]

WOW...some of you are too queer


Oh yeah.. that's an understatement! ;)

[valantino]

"WOW...some of you are too queer"

or intoxiated

[Martinsizon]

Some pics of the prep work: http://p083.ezboard.com/ftorontoskyscraperforumfrm4.showMessageRange?topicID=5071.topic&start=141&stop=148

[Marcanadian]

Does anyone know what is going on to the left of that stupid bronze statue thing? It's a fenced off hole right now but I don't think it has anything to do with Telus Tower because it is in a different section.

[valantino]

^dont know - sounds interesting although it may just be for something banal like upgrading utilities

[Tuscani01]

Does anyone know what is going on to the left of that stupid bronze statue thing? It's a fenced off hole right now but I don't think it has anything to do with Telus Tower because it is in a different section.

Umm.. I believe that 'stupid bronze statue' is going there. Its apparently going to be moved.

[Taller, Better]

Which stupid bronze statue? I can't picture it in my mind. Any photos?

[Marcanadian]

^^ This thing.

http://geo.international.gc.ca/asia/australia/images/acc.jpg

I suppose they are moving it because of the front expansion of the ACC.

[thryve]

The old rendering of Telus looks fugly (previous page), but I am really looking forward to this one having seen the new renders... it's going to be really nice to see an office building like this one past the railway tracks!

Imagine sometime down the road when downtown reaches right to the waterfront! :) *dreams*


http://www.urbandb.com/canada/ontario/toronto/pic_home.jpg

http://www.urbandb.com/canada/ontario/toronto/telus.jpg

[Marcanadian]

Yeah, it's a nice tower. Hopefully after age it won't look like FCP.

[LordMandeep]

well its not made of marble so its alright...

[thryve]

Yeah, it's a nice tower. Hopefully after age it won't look like FCP.

What makes you fear about that?

[Marcanadian]

Forgot FCP was marble for a minute....:doh:

[samsonyuen]

Doesn't the Toronto Star building count?;)

[Taller, Better]

^^ This thing.
I suppose they are moving it because of the front expansion of the ACC.

Oh! The cheese graters. Thanks Marcanadian!

Doesn't the Toronto Star building count?;)

NO! I'm dying to implode that monster. The Star had the NERVE this summer to have votes on the ugliest building in TO when they are IN IT.:toilet:

[Jaye101]

I'm I the only one who likes the bronze statue?

[Waterloo_Guy]

That statue is great. I hope that if they move it, it wont be hidden away in a corner.

[Tuscani01]

I'm I the only one who likes the bronze statue?

Nope... I like it, especially at night

[Marcanadian]

I like it too, although I called it stupid...

[Filip]

That statue is ridiculously 1990's hehehe

I didn't know there was an expansion of the ACC happening there, I thought it was further south.

[Martinsizon]

http://www.nba.com/media/raptors/mlsquare_500.jpg

[Marcanadian]

^^I think that was even before Telus Tower was approved. The statue must be further to the left.

[Martinsizon]

Link to acc expansion PDF(kinda old):
http://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/2005/agendas/committees/te/te051115/it005.pdf

[InTheBeach]

Link to acc expansion PDF(kinda old):
http://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/2005/agendas/committees/te/te051115/it005.pdf

Thanks!

OK, so pages 13 and 18 pretty much show where the square is going. I never quite undertsood how that was going to work. It is on the north side of Bremner, around the court, and to the east of Telus. So the statue will be there (I like them too, much nicer that the woodpecker nearby, although that is somewhat whimsical).

Not sure why, but I pictured the square being surrounded by the towers.

[International]

Listing for Telus Tower on loopnet.

http://static.flickr.com/142/327342223_4360dd18bc_o.jpg

[thryve]

^^ That must be an older rendering. It looks WAY better now.

I must say, because of its noticeable location and the fact that it's bringing a new era of the downtown closer to the waterfront, I am more excited for this than even the RBC Tower... I cannot contain my excitement for this one, and it will really fit well in the city.

[Waterloo_Guy]

Nice render. I like how it's being built in 1989.

[phunky]

^^ That must be an older rendering. It looks WAY better now.

I must say, because of its noticeable location and the fact that it's bringing a new era of the downtown closer to the waterfront, I am more excited for this than even the RBC Tower... I cannot contain my excitement for this one, and it will really fit well in the city.

I hope that's an older rendering lol. That's ugly. The all glass one that I've seen is much nicer!

[Filip]

That rendering screams 1994... ewwie

[Jaye101]

I thought you were all for the 90's Filip?

[Taller, Better]

The top looks completely unresolved.

[Filip]

I thought you were all for the 90's Filip?

This is toooooooo blatantly 90s! If you want elegant eurodanceyness look at Simcoe Place.. this is like the whore.. from nineteen ninety four:D

[Jaye101]

LOL... I fail to see how Simcoe Place has "Eurodanceyness."

[Filip]

LOL... I fail to see how Simcoe Place has "Eurodanceyness."

Competion date:1995 and what was that year? HELLO EUROOOO!

All in all.. the whole design is tres 90s.. with the columns wrapped in stainless steel.. ya know.. tres euro.

[Taller, Better]

Don't mess with Filip on that subject. He is the resident expert on Eurodanciness!!

[thryve]

Most def ^^. (I just went gangsta on y'all, that's right, I went there.)

Why the hell are we on SSC at this time?

[Filip]

Most def ^^. (I just went gangsta on y'all, that's right, I went there.)

Why the hell are we on SSC at this time?

Never underestimate my knowledge of European dance music.. it's absolutely ridiculous.:D Then again, I will only back down after I've turned every single one of you into an old-school gino:D:D

And I'm on because I've got three spares in a row tomorrow.. so I can dick around, and also because I'm on msn with you currently debating about dancing...(location unspecified)

[Jaye101]

It's only 50 minutes past midnight. Common owls, spread your nocturnal wings.

btw.. I think Ellipse is pretty eurodancey. ;)

[Filip]

It's only 50 minutes past midnight. Common owls, spread your nocturnal wings.

btw.. I think Ellipse is pretty eurodancey. ;)

Good you got the meaning down.. physical form.. DEFINITELY! and in era.. it fails, about a decade too late:( but we'll let that slide, won't we?:P

[Tuscani01]

Never underestimate my knowledge of European dance music.. it's absolutely ridiculous.:D Then again, I will only back down after I've turned every single one of you into an old-school gino:D:D

And I'm on because I've got three spares in a row tomorrow.. so I can dick around, and also because I'm on msn with you currently debating about dancing...(location unspecified)

UFO... come lets go!

YOU ARE AN ALIEN WITH SUPER HIGH INTELLIGENCE, flying in a spaceship round and round.

[Jaye101]

UFO's aren't Eurodancey enough... and...

My 3000th post!!!!

[Tuscani01]

UFO's aren't Eurodancey enough... and...

My 3000th post!!!!

Jeeez Jaye... you have lots to learn. Have a seat while me and Filip lecture you...

Open your 90's Euro texbook to page 23.

[Filip]

If you are to understand the deep meaning behind Tuscani's post.. enjoy this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPTwWJ8PBdY

Gosh! Where were you people in the 90s! Am I the only one here with Eurodance background? Grrrr the 90's had Toronto dancing.. Y'all need to smell the flowers (in the 90's) they're sweeter.. The grass is always greener in ... THE NINETIES!

Remember these wise words!

[Tuscani01]

oh and by the way...

I heart Telus tower!

[thryve]

Moi aussi... but the Royal York folks won't haha...

[globetrekker]

The old rendering of Telus looks fugly (previous page), but I am really looking forward to this one having seen the new renders... it's going to be really nice to see an office building like this one in front of the Gardiner!

Imagine sometime down the road when downtown reaches right to the waterfront! :) *dreams*


http://www.urbandb.com/canada/ontario/toronto/pic_home.jpg

http://www.urbandb.com/canada/ontario/toronto/telus.jpg

That is a bland, boring tower compared to the one I just viewed in the last post with the older rendering. I personally prefer the other. It looks more modern to me. I don't see looking dated.

[thryve]

It's gorgeous!!! I love it :banana: Seriously! It's the design, and the location, and the fitingness for Toronto, and everything! It's great!

You eurodance party pooper! ^^... way to poo on our eurodance party! (?)


p.s. the humble Telus Tower Thread has never seen so much action!! haha

[Tuscani01]

Moi aussi... but the Royal York folks won't haha...

hahaha Royal York... poor guys. Maybe thats why Telus is clear looking? lol

[Tuscani01]

That is a bland, boring tower. What's all the excitement about?

You are bland and boring. The tower is sleek and sexy looking. The location makes everyone happy too.

[globetrekker]

Hopefully after age it won't look like FCP.

Too late.

[Taller, Better]

I much prefer that rendering. Cleaner lines, without the 2004 hat on top.

[Filip]

I much prefer that rendering. Cleaner lines, without the 2004 hat on top.

2004? That thing screams good ol' 90s to me hehehe.. Though, I get where you're coming from with the hat.. It's something WZMH would pump out by the billions.

[thryve]

p.p.s

Don't forget this tower is not only mean... it's GREEN!

Plus, it reminds me of that cool NY Times tower in NYC. More dancey, though. And more eurodancey = better.
Therefore the Telus tower kicks ass.

[Filip]

p.p.s

Don't forget this tower is not only mean... it's GREEN!

Plus, it reminds me of that cool NY Times tower in NYC. More dancey, though. And more eurodancey = better.
Therefore the Telus tower kicks ass.

May I mention you're looking very Eurodance today?
It must be the weather.

[thryve]

May I mention that someone has committed an utter CRIME?!

Comparing this thing to First Canadian Place is like comparing Queen Elizabeth II to a eurodancer.


Telus Tower thread Checklist:
-prove how amazing Telus Tower is ... check!
-tell off forum troll ... check!
-act drunk... check!
-make eurodance references... CHECK!

[Tuscani01]

Attention SCC'ers who have problems grasping the Euro concept...

Filip has made a video of himself dancing to demonstrate the euphoria and rhythem that makes euro euro..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5I4CxUIs4Q

^ Well isnt that nice? I failed!

[Filip]

Attention SCC'ers who have problems grasping the Euro concept...

Filip has made a video of himself dancing to demonstrate the euphoria and rhythem that makes euro euro..

<object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/P5I4CxUIs4Q"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/P5I4CxUIs4Q" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"></embed></object>

^ Well isnt that nice? I failed!

I wish that was me.. GO GINONATION.. LMFAO

[thryve]

SSC staff are reporting a 900% increase in eurodancyness! They say it's coming from the Toronto section!

Party!

[Filip]

No.. comparing Telus to FCP is comparing ME to a rocker.. it's just morbid:D

Now stop it with these euro references.. I'm getting really hyper in my chair with all them eurobeatzzz blasting:D

[thryve]

Just to stay soooomewhat on topic:

Telus Tower, Toronto:
http://www.urbandb.com/canada/ontario/toronto/telus.jpg

NY Times Tower, NYC:
http://www.fcrc.com/images%5Cprojects%5Cmainnytimesb.jpg

[globetrekker]

You are bland and boring. The tower is sleek and sexy looking. The location makes everyone happy too.

Mmmhmmm.....

[globetrekker]

Just to stay soooomewhat on topic:

Telus Tower, Toronto:
http://www.urbandb.com/canada/ontario/toronto/telus.jpg

NY Times Tower, NYC:
http://www.fcrc.com/images%5Cprojects%5Cmainnytimesb.jpg

Now the NY Times Tower I can get with! That is nice and modern. They aresimilar but the height of the NYTT wins me over. Thanks for the pics!

[Tuscani01]

Just to stay soooomewhat on topic:

Telus Tower, Toronto:
http://www.urbandb.com/canada/ontario/toronto/telus.jpg

NY Times Tower, NYC:
http://www.fcrc.com/images%5Cprojects%5Cmainnytimesb.jpg

Its sexy... too bad Telus couldnt be taller:(

But hey, half sexy is better than no sexy

[Filip]

As I've said.. we're building our own mini Manhattan down there with Telus (NY Times) and the Waterpark offices (Battery Park) I wonder what's next.. meh, TO has defintely got it going on...

People who underestimate this tower do not realize its dancefloor potential.. viva eurodance..

untz untz untz untz untz

Call him Mr Raider call him Mr Wrong
Call him Mr Vain
Call him Mr Raider call him Mr wrong
Call him insane
He'd say, I know what I want
And I want it now
I want you 'cause I'm Mr Vain
I know what I want and I want it now
I want you 'cause I'm Mr Vain

[thryve]

G'nite y'all. I'm off to sleep, to dance to eurotunez in my dreams.

*Muah* to Telus Tower!

[Filip]

I think I'll be off too.. These eurobeatz will drive me bonkers!

Time to go lay it off for a while.. cmok to Telus, xoxox to my eurodancin peeps out there!!!!! (PEACE OUT)

[Jaye101]

Peace out, one love... Goodnight.

[phunky]

some of u scare me.

[neilio]

im not even going to touch this whole eurodance obsession...yikes!

[Filip]

LOL! I don't remember half the things I wrote:D

Hahaha.. I swear I wasn't drunk.. It was.. only orange juice!:S

[Taller, Better]

Orange juice is a very powerful stimulant! All that vitamin C! ;)

[camel_trainer]

.....plus all the ecstacy pills it was used to wash down!

[Filip]

Now now:D I'm a good boy.. I haven't done drugs (though my dancing is reminiscent of those very high ravers.. lots of crazy euro hand gestures and whatnot:P)

Anyway, why is it taking so long to start digging at Telus? They've been prepping that land for months now. And it seems they're currently working on putting up some sort of retaining wall on the Union Station berm.

[wiki]

that tower looks nice

[samsonyuen]

It's a nice building, I do wish it was taller though. Does anyone know what's happening across the street from it on the NW corner of Bremner and York? The parking lot is fenced off. I see some Simcoe tunnel construction (I think), but nothing else.

[jonovision]

Yes, it would be nice if it were taller. It reminds me a lot of the new New York Times tower.

[thryve]

Had some friends staying at the Intercontinental recently... I will post some shots of the Telus and MLS site, as well as Infinity, in their respective threads. Oh- and the Simcoe Street extension to Front.

[Taller, Better]

In this particular case, I think more height would do wonders for the proportions of the building. It would look much more elegant at about twice the height. It is a handsome building, however.... cleanly designed with no
pretensions.

[valantino]

^100% agreed (although it would then be twin)

[thryve]

Some people I know stayed at the Intercontinental on Front the other day, and of course, in true SSC style, I begged to be taken up there for photos. Not really high up, I know, but... why not? The Intercontinental offers a front-row-seat type of view of the area the downtown is growing over the tracks and into, which is sort of cool.

Telus site:
http://files.photojerk.com/andrewharv/update2.JPG

[ratoronto]

nice shot! This sightline is going to be very exciting to watch over the next few years.

[thryve]

^^ Yeah... we're all going to have to beg our out-of-town friends to visit and stay at Intercontinental on Front Street as often as possible. ;)

[thryve]

Okay... this photo is from the NY Times Tower. Because of its similarity to Telus, I have to say now: can someone promise me that when the spire finally goes onto Telus (looks great on the Telus Tower) can we make sure we obtain a picture just like this one? Imagine... with the Financial District behind? YES!

http://enr.construction.com/photoContest/2006/imgs/22.jpg

[phunky]

i honestly don't know how those people do those jobs. i'd be peeing myself lol.

[Filip]

Unfortunately, Thryve, Telus won't be over 1000 ft tall:D So we won't see something as spectacular as this:(

[urban 2.0]

i honestly don't know how those people do those jobs. i'd be peeing myself lol.

they're probably near-sighted, so they have no idea what the risk really is.

[monkeyronin]

i honestly don't know how those people do those jobs. i'd be peeing myself lol.

Someone on a skyscraper forum afraid of heights? ;)

[phunky]

Someone on a skyscraper forum afraid of heights? ;)

i appreciate skyscrapers from the ground ;)

[thryve]

Unfortunately, Thryve, Telus won't be over 1000 ft tall:D So we won't see something as spectacular as this:(

DUHHhhhh... it'd still be a great shot though!

[BWG]

the good thing is that were getting an office tower after 14 long years and it looks great..yes the height could of been higher but then again we have 3 other offfice towers that will be taller RBC centre, BA tower, Richmond-Adelaide Tower

[thryve]

Guys, I wish this was one of those stickied developments. :banana:

This is an office tower, PLUS it's south of the railway tracks... and it's a great design. I can't believe it gets such little interest around here. Then again, I'm sort of obsessed with it.

Here's urbandb's update from mid-March. I think it's the latest update we've got:

http://www.urbandb.com/canada/ontario/toronto/photograph_telus_tower_2007_03_18_7531.jpg

[thryve]

http://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2007/te/bgrd/backgroundfile-2201.pdf

March 9, 2007 --- 25 York Public Art Plan

The 25 York Street Tower Public Art Plan is for a very high profile office tower in the downtown core.

The site is located in the Union Station District. The owner is building the South Public Building for Union Station which will provide a direct connection from the building into Union Station. It is adjacent to the Air Canada Centre to the east and Union station to the north. The public art plan proposes that the public art be situated in the large indoor galleria. An indoor site allows opportunities for a wider variety of artists in a broader range of media.

This site will have significant pedestrian traffic and used by the tenants and the public alike. Visibility will also be high through the “glass skin” of the building façade. The public art will be very prominent.


* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

Description of Telus Tower:

The 25 York Street, landmark office tower is located in the heart of the downtown core at the northeast corner of York and Bremner Blvd. This 30-storey development comprises 780,000 square feet of “AAA” office space. The project is adjacent to the Air Canada Centre to the east and Union Station to the north.

When completed in early 2009, 25 York Street will be the first major new office development in the downtown core in over a decade. It will feature “future friendly” technology in both building communication systems and tenant environments. Its lead tenant, TELUS, will occupy 60% of the total rentable area and will have prominent building signage rights. The ground floor will consist of approximately 30,000 square feet of retail space to service both building tenants and the public. It will have a direct connection to the Air Canada Centre galleria, Union Station and the downtown
underground PATH system. The project is also adjacent to Maple Leaf Square, a proposed mixed use sports and entertainment facility with a 170-room boutique hotel,themed restaurants and a 50,000 square feet urban food market and is steps from Toronto’s waterfront with all its retail shops, restaurants, Toronto Island Ferry and the Martin Goodman recreational trail.

This development supports the long-standing goals of the City of Toronto to realize the area south of Union Station and to foster stronger connections between the city and the waterfront. The public will have excellent transit accessibility, via TTC and GO Transit connections at Union Station, as well as convenient vehicular access via the Gardiner Expressway one block away.

The tower projects an ethereal quality that makes the building less imposing on the Toronto skyline, especially against a backdrop of heavily massed office towers to the north. A glass skin extends beyond the building, dissolving its edges, and accentuating the building’s overall lightness. The extended fins at either end and on top of the building exemplify the illusion that the glazed façade is independent of the frame. While providing a striking visual impact, the exterior skin also serves as an important sustainable design feature for this building, pursuing Silver status under the Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED) program. A horizontal orthogonal
volume, sheathed in ebony glass, creates tension with the airiness of the transparent masses of the tower above it, and the two-storey atrium below it at grade level.

[Tuscani01]

ugh... I was down there the other day. Should've walked past it.

[valantino]

that's a huge hole

[phunky]

I don't know why this isn't stickied actually. It should be!

[Jaye101]

Sapphire, ROM, and the entire College Park development isn't stickied... We may recontruct this whole sub forum to make it more efficient and to do it's job as a directory and update forum instead of an unorganized random updates type of subforum... It's in discussion.

[thryve]

Don't institutionalize it or make it archive-style or whatever.

That really takes the soul from it. I mod. for South Africa and we organized it all into uniform development threads and it's better than what was there in some ways...but not worth it.

Please don't change the Toronto forums. :( I like the haphazardness, it makes it fun and more natural.

[phunky]

Please do change this Toronto forum. Not the other one. :)

[InTheBeach]

ugh... I was down there the other day. Should've walked past it.

Sounds like fun.

[thryve]

^^ ??

[Filip]

I think he means that area isn't the most pleasant to walk through - I can definitely admit to that! Though, my "I love looking at big deep holes" side of me occasionally makes me detour down there.

[p5archit]

I was there the other day- saw Telus and the ACC condo project advancing-

This is one giant hole in the ground-!!

That said, did anyone notice that the connection from Simcoe to Simcoe south of the railway tracks is nearing completion...Will the portal, located behind Telus and just to the right, be opened up to Union-?

p5

[thryve]

Please do change this Toronto forum. Not the other one. :)

I could go for that maybe.

[valantino]

Will the portal, located behind Telus and just to the right, be opened up to Union

apparently - was in some Telus media release

noticed the teamway on the east side of Bay is being renovated to the standards of the teamway on the west side of York

[zerokarma]

Good update

[SerfDude]

apparently - was in some Telus media release

noticed the teamway on the east side of Bay is being renovated to the standards of the teamway on the west side of York

Teamway? Tramway?
Is the Simcoe link transit related?

[phunky]

Teamway? Tramway?
Is the Simcoe link transit related?
A teamway is like the underground tunnels for walking to a train I believe.

[catcher_of_cats]

The Simcoe Link is a tunnel under the railway tracks to connect Simcoe St to Simcoe St. No transit. Just 4 lane road. A Teamway is a pedestrian underpass to the same railway. It is called this because it leads to the ACC (hockey arena).

[Jaye101]

Hmm... I like the proposed new format... But what really matters... Do you guys like it?

[InTheBeach]

I think he means that area isn't the most pleasant to walk through - I can definitely admit to that! Though, my "I love looking at big deep holes" side of me occasionally makes me detour down there.

Yep. I love holes as much as the next person, but would not cross the street to look at one, unless it had a camel toe. Nevermind. I wouldn't cross the street then either.

Anyway...this area might be a good place to go for a stroll in a few years. I hear that there is a nice brewery in the area. :cheers:

[Filip]

Yep. I love holes as much as the next person, but would not cross the street to look at one, unless it had a camel toe. Nevermind. I wouldn't cross the street then either.

Anyway...this area might be a good place to go for a stroll in a few years. I hear that there is a nice brewery in the area. :cheers:

LOL!

[Waterloo_Guy]

Hmm... I like the proposed new format... But what really matters... Do you guys like it?

If you mean the new titles, yes. Although 1 Bloor will probably need to be changed.

[neilio]

Hmm... I like the proposed new format... But what really matters... Do you guys like it?

im liking it allot!

[Martinsizon]

Could we please also include metres in the new format?

[Waterloo_Guy]

Could we please also include metres in the new format?

Don't get greedy.

[sudburyboy]

i actually agree its the canadian section of the forums, why not have metric and imperial measurements, one of which would be in parentheses, make it a standard in the canadian section. rather than converting all the time.

[thryve]

And why does it say "Toronto"... we know the projects are downtown if they're in this section.

It should just say "Downtown".

[valantino]

replace the name with the address

[valantino]

oh yeah ... 'being erected' instead of 'under construction'

[phunky]

oh yeah ... 'being erected' instead of 'under construction'
We are still talking about buildings right? RIGHT? :lol:

[Jaye101]

And why does it say "Toronto"... we know the projects are downtown if they're in this section.

It should just say "Downtown".

Was thinking like...

Scarborough; City Centre
Etobicoke; Humber Bay Shores
Toronto; Midtown

[phunky]

Was thinking like...

Scarborough; City Centre
Etobicoke; Humber Bay Shores
Toronto; Midtown
I still think you should avoid using the former borough/city names. Toronto is Toronto. Just put the cross streets in the first post of the topic.

[valantino]

I still think you should avoid using the former borough/city names. Toronto is Toronto

pfffft! Beacher first here

[Waterloo_Guy]

We are still talking about buildings right? RIGHT? :lol:

Dirty bird.

[phunky]

Dirty bird.
Dirty monkey ;)

[Waterloo_Guy]

Lol

[pancsi]

april 22/07

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h248/pancsi/P4220783.jpg

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h248/pancsi/P4220795.jpg

[G_DOG]

telus has got a crane,yeah baby!

[ToRoNto, g-town]

this is going to be one amazing tower when completed.

[Waterloo_Guy]

pansci, thanks for the pics.

This city is on fire!

[phunky]

YAY! Crane! Exciting!

[Waterloo_Guy]

Happened quick, didn't it?

[Toronto - West]

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w132/TorontoWest/CIMG1445.jpg

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w132/TorontoWest/CIMG1431.jpg

[Regan4000]

Great pictures again Toronto-West.

I have a question for a real professional, and If it must be KGB, then so be it.

In this last picture, it is quite easy to see that all of these towers have their own, massive bases, making it seem as if they are all separate buildings, which they of course are. But this style of planting different projects here and there reminds me more of Suburban planning. Cities like New York, and Chicago have these tall buildings downtown by the water, but many of them meet each other on the street. Is this style of 'block' condos we're getting in Toronto better or worse for street life? And if it's not, why are city planners doing it this way?

City Place is another example of these block condo projects. I think they look nice in a skyline, but from Aerial photos like the one's Toronto-West is providing us with, each tower looks completely alienated from the others.

[yin_yang]

Great pictures again Toronto-West.

I have a question for a real professional, and If it must be KGB, then so be it.

In this last picture, it is quite easy to see that all of these towers have their own, massive bases, making it seem as if they are all separate buildings, which they of course are. But this style of planting different projects here and there reminds me more of Suburban planning. Cities like New York, and Chicago have these tall buildings downtown by the water, but many of them meet each other on the street. Is this style of 'block' condos we're getting in Toronto better or worse for street life? And if it's not, why are city planners doing it this way?

City Place is another example of these block condo projects. I think they look nice in a skyline, but from Aerial photos like the one's Toronto-West is providing us with, each tower looks completely alienated from the others.


it's bad for density no doubt, so it does affect streetlife somewhat, but that part of town is pretty high density res and entertainment, it'll be alright even with the podiums taking away building space.

[Filip]

I wonder if the ACC will move the location of the Air Canada Centre sign from where it's at (since MLS will block it completely) to maybe at the foot of Bremner?

EDIT: Just remembered, the expansion will probably tear that old sign anyway, the new one would most likely be situated facing Bremner. Quite cool, looking down from Bremner you see the Rogers Centre at one side and Air Canada Centre on the other - surrounded by a dense streetwall.. Hehe, corporate Canada!

[G_DOG]

from yesterday

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j145/gbelan/100_0036.jpg


http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j145/gbelan/100_0038.jpg

[phunky]

When building large buildings why do they have a square in the ground like that? Does anyone know? I've been wondering this lately.

[valantino]

^It's the building's core - massive foundation as it supports most of the buildings column free space

[phunky]

^It's the building's core - massive foundation as it supports most of the buildings column free space
So like the old stump right?

[VikkyD]

I really like this building! I'm happy to see it go up! (which is a change from my usual attitude on tall buildings)

can't wait to see what the street level looks like! are there going to be shops? or just... financial-district-style nothingness (which I do enjoy aswell...)

[phunky]

A different view of the site:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/168/481803891_c056b30fe8_b.jpg
Taken by: http://www.flickr.com/people/7791383@N05/

I like how there is like a bridge from York to the front of ACC. Kinda neat.

[valantino]

So like the old stump right?

hopefully not a stump but yeah

[Taller, Better]

I'm happy to see it go up! (which is a change from my usual attitude on tall buildings)


LOL! I am curious as to what drew you to a forum of "skyscraper" aficionados?!:lol:

[KGB]

In this last picture, it is quite easy to see that all of these towers have their own, massive bases, making it seem as if they are all separate buildings, which they of course are. But this style of planting different projects here and there reminds me more of Suburban planning. Cities like New York, and Chicago have these tall buildings downtown by the water, but many of them meet each other on the street. Is this style of 'block' condos we're getting in Toronto better or worse for street life? And if it's not, why are city planners doing it this way?


Full lot footprint podiums allow for continuous streetwalls with retail, which is good for streetlife, and smaller footprint point towers above them allow for more window space and better views from units on all four sides. Point towers also create less shadowing effects which the city takes fairly serious when approving projects. Point towers also allow for taller buildings for the same density as more squat buildings...generally good for us skyscraper fans...yea?

New York and Chicago also have these type of developments, but you tend to see them in large brownfiield redevelopment projects like the Railway Lands, because the space is there...infil projects tend to be smaller lots that don't allow for the podium-point tower design.

I like the canyon effect you see on Bay Street, and I also like the podium-point tower design as well...they both have their advantages....nothing wrong with a little space between towers...you can see them better.

It's all good (when it's done well of course).




KGB

[Taller, Better]

I also like the idea of the canyon on Bay St. it is a short block walk to Yonge St, and that is where the concentration of retail/entertainment should be. The higher the population of the area, the better Yonge St will be. Bay Street itself can be a mostly residential street, and doesn't have to be all things.

[phunky]

Taken on May 8th.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/206/491153686_0ba50d9fc2_b.jpg
Taken by: http://www.flickr.com/people/norliss/

[ScrapeTheSky]

i love the bridge over the moat.

[kettal]

What's taking so long, this should be near completion by now >(

[Taller, Better]

? Say whaaa? finished by now?

[phunky]

LOL! I have a feeling he may have posted in the wrong topic. Cuz this should be nowhere near completion yet :P

[urban 2.0]

I also like the idea of the canyon on Bay St. it is a short block walk to Yonge St, and that is where the concentration of retail/entertainment should be. The higher the population of the area, the better Yonge St will be. Bay Street itself can be a mostly residential street, and doesn't have to be all things.

... when you walk up Yonge you really notice how the area north of College to Charles St. Could easily take up a lot more buildings - I think this is the next area of Downtown Toronto Growth.

Like the block of 2 story buildings that are 2 blocks north of college on the East side (across from Mr. Sub) - they could easily be torn down and see 2 tall towers.

[rick1016]

Is it the one on the left or the right?

[nitzomoe]

Is it the one on the left or the right?

its the lot with the crane.

[monkeyronin]

... when you walk up Yonge you really notice how the area north of College to Charles St. Could easily take up a lot more buildings - I think this is the next area of Downtown Toronto Growth.

The 3 tower development at St. Micheal's College, Lumiere, and the 3 Murano/Burano towers (any more?) will all be going up in this vicinity.

[outinleftfield]

If the rocp propsal succeeds at the omb.... there's another

[valantino]

Like the block of 2 story buildings that are 2 blocks north of college on the East side (across from Mr. Sub) - they could easily be torn down and see 2 tall towers

unlikely with the current administration at city hall but maybe down the road

[caltrane74]

Updated Renderings!!

http://www.spectranet.ca/sior/downloads/presentations/JoeNesticMenkesPresentation.pdf

[Filip]

Wow I love it! I didn't know this came with a square too!

[phunky]

i love this tower. how i wish it were taller

[Regan4000]

Thx for the info KGB.

As for Urban 2.0's comment, I agree, and I only think it's a matter of time before Yonge from the lake to Bloor will be walled with buildings. I think in cases like this the city raises land taxes high enough that these small time tenants like the novelty and souvenir shops that line Yonge north of College are forced to move out, thus making room for expensive condos, with the ability to pay the desired taxes. I could be wrong, but I don't know how else developers will force out the existing tenants. It could be as simple as the owner of the space selling it to developers who in turn just kick out the existing stores.

It's only a matter of time before it's all filled in.

[valantino]

you're quite a bit off base

the strict zoning connected to heritage preservation is and will continue to for the forseeable future keep Yonge from being 'walled' with buildings. Tenants are easily removed and alot of Yonge is already owned in large blocks.

I see a shift to Church Street once the few remaining parking lots and perhaps some lowrise commerical blocks are re-developed on Bay

[CrazyCanuck]

I'm likin the base on Telus, still wish it was a bit taller but i'm just being greedy. That area will shine once Telus and MLS are completed.

[duff+eglin]

Wow I didn't realize how pathetically short it was until now. I'd read the numbers but these renders really brought it home.

[Taller, Better]

well, a 30 storey office tower is not exactly a mud hut. It is not a supertall, but esthetically the height suits this building.

[Wrk_InProgress]

well, a 30 storey office tower is not exactly a mud hut. It is not a supertall, but esthetically the height suits this building.

Agreed. I think if every building was a supertall or 50 stories, it would get boring quickly. It's good to have some variation.

As well, with MLS at 50 stories across the street, I think 30 stories works well here.

[VikkyD]

I don't like supertalls, especially in toronto, nothing should ever trump the CN tower.

projects like telus are perfect for downtown toronto

[Waterloo_Guy]

What are you talking about?

[phunky]

lol. he apparently doesn't have a love for skyscrapers like the majority of us here at skyscrapercity.

i would love to see a supertall about 3/4 the height of CN Tower in the financial district.

[valantino]

wait-a-sec ... Vikky is a dude? ;)

[InTheBeach]

wait-a-sec ... Vikky is a dude? ;)

Yes. VD is a he.

[kettal]

lol. he apparently doesn't have a love for skyscrapers like the majority of us here at skyscrapercity.

i would love to see a supertall about 3/4 the height of CN Tower in the financial district.

No! the skyline will start to resemble a pincushion if this happened!

[Tuscani01]

I don't like supertalls, especially in toronto, nothing should ever trump the CN tower.

projects like telus are perfect for downtown toronto

I agree, lets keep the supertalls in Mississauga where they belong:P

[Dino Domingo]

Are there any females in the forum?

[Waterloo_Guy]

Yes. VD is a he.

VD, lol.

[VikkyD]

yall are hilarious....

And are you telling me there s no difference between a SUPERTALL, and a skyscraper? there is a time and place for everything, and if we were to get a "supertall" then the only place it would fit would be in the financial district,

I happen to find most supertalls, too large, ugly, and monolithic, with exceptions of course..

I'm more of a fan of tall towers, or multi-building developments, does Toronto really have USE for a 400m tall residence or office building?

and I'm entitled to my opinions so don't none of you try and tell me I'm wrong. I respect your views on supertalls.... and so forth.

and FURTHERMORE!

YES, i am a guy, and YES my initials are VD, (Victor Dane) I would APPRECIATE it if you wouldn't act immature and makes references to vaginal diseases... since MOST of you are GAY anyways, and know NOTHING about vaginas!



BAH!

[phunky]

yall are hilarious....

And are you telling me there s no difference between a SUPERTALL, and a skyscraper? there is a time and place for everything, and if we were to get a "supertall" then the only place it would fit would be in the financial district,

I happen to find most supertalls, too large, ugly, and monolithic, with exceptions of course..

I'm more of a fan of tall towers, or multi-building developments, does Toronto really have USE for a 400m tall residence or office building?

and I'm entitled to my opinions so don't none of you try and tell me I'm wrong. I respect your views on supertalls.... and so forth.

and FURTHERMORE!

YES, i am a guy, and YES my initials are VD, (Victor Dane) I would APPRECIATE it if you wouldn't act immature and makes references to vaginal diseases... since MOST of you are GAY anyways, and know NOTHING about vaginas!



BAH!
Chill out.

[yin_yang]

haha y'all really are hilarious. toronto has got a lot more to offer than a skyline, so we don't NEED to draw attention to ourselves with a huge tower like dubai or kuala lumpur. at this point it's not even efficient to build way up high, is it?

[InTheBeach]

Vaginal Diseases? Ummm...no.

Venereal Disease is what you mean, I think.

Venereal from Latin venereus (of sexual love).

Which ever way you swing, y'all watch out when you are getting vernereus.

[Waterloo_Guy]

and I'm entitled to my opinions so don't none of you try and tell me I'm wrong.




You are wrong. Deal with it. This is a public forum, if you don't have the maturity to deal with someone attacking your position on something you wont be happy here. I offer you the same respect I would to anyone here, but I don't automatically respect your opinions--there's a difference between these two things.

If you don't like tall buildings, that's cool. But don't be surprised or indignant when people here disagree with you. And if you say something crazy, expect to get flamed.

[phunky]

lol oh my. take it to PMs guys. or you might get brigged.

[phunky]

Found some cool photos that I don't remember seeing anywhere else...

http://www.khristopher.com/pictures/urban%20stuff/Telus%20-%20Street%20Level.jpg

http://www.khristopher.com/pictures/urban%20stuff/Telus%20Tower%20-%20Interior.jpg

[Dino Domingo]

Nice, boy. Where'd you get 'em? The exterior lobby has changed in that shot - the black lined area, 2nd and 3rd floors.

[phunky]

From the designer's website :)

[Taller, Better]

^^ You are great at ferreting out these pictures, phunky!

[phunky]

^^ You are great at ferreting out these pictures, phunky!
Can you tell I have too much time on my hands? hahaha.

[aberrate]

Aw, it's a great tower but I will miss seeing the Royal York grace the face of Toronto when I'm south of Front St. I thought it was a great juxtaposition to all the newer developments looming behind and beside...and now in front of it!

[Taller, Better]

Well, your view will only be blocked from one small area. Telus is not that wide a building.

[401_King]

Telus now has its 2nd Crane as of today.

[phunky]

I didn't know it was getting two. Nice! Man there are gonna be a lot of cranes in the air by this fall!!

[valantino]

Telus is not that wide a building.

25000 sq foot plates is wide enough. If Telus were being built in Vancouver where aberrate spends some time, it would just slide in behind the largest tower by area which is around 800000 square feet (Pan Pacific Hotel?)

[current]

They are installing the second concrete pouring crane so they will soon have four cranes on site.

[Canadian Chocho]

Woah!! Those pics make that area look alive!!

[Dino Domingo]

Pics?

[Taller, Better]

Chocho is seeing things!! Too much partying! :tongue4:

[Dino Domingo]

Chocho is seeing things!! Too much partying! :tongue4:

LOL!

I've always thought his nick was funny. Chocho!

[Marcanadian]

Update from today.

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/8467/img3382us1.jpg

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/6779/img3368xm3.jpg

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/4255/img3369ik2.jpg

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/5782/img3371wr1.jpg

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/6752/img3370ce2.jpg

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/8043/img3372zt5.jpg

[look@round]

Thanks!
Still a lot to go there...

[WinnipegPatriot]

Can't wait until this area is filled in...I never liked that across from the "tracks" it was so barren...

[willy789]

that area near the ACC is going to be packed
better than baren!
can't wait...

[Skybean]

http://www.khristopher.com/pictures/urban%20stuff/Telus%20Tower%20-%20Interior.jpg


Looks like they'll be keeping wild monkeys in the lobby

[elliot]

holy shit... a Skybean post... maybe the forum ain't dead afterall.

[CrazyCanuck]

Looks like they'll be keeping wild monkeys in the lobby

Almost thought you'd left Skybean :) They have now switched to fish, so expect a massive fish tank on the first floor. ;)

[neilio]

holy shit... a Skybean post... maybe the forum ain't dead afterall.

holy shit a ....post by me! the forum is alive indeed

[G_DOG]

:nuts: alive!

[Taller, Better]

holy shit a ....post by me! the forum is alive indeed

neilio!! Welcome back!! :cheers:

[Jackhammer]

neilio!! Welcome back!! :cheers:
Yes, welcome back, now make yourself useful and go whip up a render or something. ;)

[Tuscani01]

I dont know if these have been seen here before. If so, here they are again.

The new south entrance to Union:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/canadian_gino87/union2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/canadian_gino87/union.jpg

[urban 2.0]

I dont know if these have been seen here before. If so, here they are again.

The new south entrance to Union:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/canadian_gino87/union2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/canadian_gino87/union.jpg

Do Canadian architects have any other shape than a square box in their tool kit???

Why is everything in Toronto sooo boxy, bland and unimaginative? This includes the Tower, and the Lobby of the building.

Yawn.

[ScrapeTheSky]

Hey well at least it'll be easy to replace once the city actually has money to do architecture properly.

[Taller, Better]

Do Canadian architects have any other shape than a square box in their tool kit???

Why is everything in Toronto sooo boxy, bland and unimaginative? This includes the Tower, and the Lobby of the building.

Yawn.

Just out of curiosity.... why do you live in Toronto?

[azzo]

Do Canadian architects have any other shape than a square box in their tool kit???

Why is everything in Toronto sooo boxy, bland and unimaginative? This includes the Tower, and the Lobby of the building.

Yawn.

you know im getting sick and tired of people saying boxes are boring and unimaginative! god if you think you can do better why dont you become an architect and see how friggin hard it is to design a building.

[Dream Brother]

you know im getting sick and tired of people saying boxes are boring and unimaginative! god if you think you can do better why dont you become an architect and see how friggin hard it is to design a building.

It's shouldn't be hard when you're an architect. They have artistic gifts, so designing a creative building shouldn't be so hard. I could design some really nice buildings if I took the time but I don't have the engineering background to make them a reality. That's the difference. If you can draw and have a creative mind, you can come up with beautiful designs. However, Telus is one of the few nice box towers from what it appears in the renderings.

[Dream Brother]

Just out of curiosity.... why do you live in Toronto?

So, because some has issues with their city's architecture, they're not allowed to live here? I think Toronto has some of the worst architecture I've ever seen. We're not a pretty city in terms of design. That doesn't mean I don't like living here.

[azzo]

It's shouldn't be hard when you're an architect. They have artistic gifts, so designing a creative building shouldn't be so hard. I could design some really nice buildings if I took the time but I don't have the engineering background to make them a reality. That's the difference. If you can draw and have a creative mind, you can come up with beautiful designs. However, Telus is one of the few nice box towers from what it appears in the renderings.

well you seem to know everything dont you. By the way im an architecture student and ive worked in many architecture firms, and im sorry to break your bubble, but it isnt easy, and you dont need the engineering background either, thats what a civil engineer is for. In alot of cases yes they cheap out by building badly designed boxes, but to make a good box is the hardest thing to do, thats why i praise buildings like the farnsworth house and the td centre.

[Dream Brother]

well you seem to know everything dont you. By the way im an architecture student and ive worked in many architecture firms, and im sorry to break your bubble, but it isnt easy, and you dont need the engineering background either, thats what a civil engineer is for. In alot of cases yes they cheap out by building badly designed boxes, but to make a good box is the hardest thing to do, thats why i praise buildings like the farnsworth house and the td centre.

The TD Centre? It's merely a black box. There are countless buildings in the world that look the same.

[Optimus-Prime]

I think Toronto has some of the worst architecture I've ever seen. We're not a pretty city in terms of design.

I take it you haven't travelled much? Or maybe you just have poor taste. I'd go more with the later, judging by other posts I've read by you.


The TD Centre? It's merely a black box. There are countless buildings in the world that look the same.

Uh-oh....

[azzo]

The TD Centre? It's merely a black box. There are countless buildings in the world that look the same.

you have it stuck in your head that because its a "black box" that it does not require any creative merit, or for that matter interest. if you would only go to the centre and examine the buildings, the placement of them, the adjacency to one-another, the clean lines, how the buildings meet the ground and allow the outside penetrate to the interior, the attention to detail, his use of the exterior hss columns to accentuate the verticality and how the structure actually works. the buildings are almost perfect, it has to be one of mies' greatest work, save the seagram building. More care and attention to detail was put into the td centre than most buildings in toronto

[vancouverite/to'er]

well you seem to know everything dont you. By the way im an architecture student and ive worked in many architecture firms, and im sorry to break your bubble, but it isnt easy, and you dont need the engineering background either, thats what a civil engineer is for. In alot of cases yes they cheap out by building badly designed boxes, but to make a good box is the hardest thing to do, thats why i praise buildings like the farnsworth house and the td centre.

im considering becoming an architect what requirments are there?

[azzo]

im considering becoming an architect what requirments are there?

well i guess it depends which school you go to, in canada anyways you have to go to an accredited architecture school( so ryerson is out of the question, unless you want to be a tech guy who drafts up construction documents all day), get your masters degree, then go and bank hours for 3 years to allow you to take the Ncarb exams, then after all of that your allowed to practice architecture.
you can break the accredited schools into 2 groups, 1 group which only offers a masters degree like uoft, which means you get a degree in whatever you want and then the masters degree would be about 3 years. or you can go to a school which offers a undergrad in arch as well as a masters, i chose this approach because, mostly because you get more training in terms of learning to design. Personally(and not because i go there) waterloo school of architecture is by far the best school that canada has to offer, and is known world wide. if you want to know more just email me

[Dream Brother]

I take it you haven't travelled much? Or maybe you just have poor taste. I'd go more with the later, judging by other posts I've read by you.




Uh-oh....

Oh, I've travelled plenty. I've been all over Europe, including Russia. All over America and the Carribean.

[Dream Brother]

you have it stuck in your head that because its a "black box" that it does not require any creative merit, or for that matter interest. if you would only go to the centre and examine the buildings, the placement of them, the adjacency to one-another, the clean lines, how the buildings meet the ground and allow the outside penetrate to the interior, the attention to detail, his use of the exterior hss columns to accentuate the verticality and how the structure actually works. the buildings are almost perfect, it has to be one of mies' greatest work, save the seagram building. More care and attention to detail was put into the td centre than most buildings in toronto

They are completely boring. 4 basically identical structures with little detail. Seriously. Look at them. There's hardly anything to them. They are so utterly plain. Way more effort could have been put into them.

[Dream Brother]

im considering becoming an architect what requirments are there?

In Toronto? Uninspiring taste.

[Optimus-Prime]

Oh, I've travelled plenty. I've been all over Europe, including Russia. All over America and the Carribean.

Yeah, but like, actually outside of the quiant historical districts? Just curious though, what do you think of as quality architecture?

They are completely boring. 4 basically identical structures with little detail. Seriously. Look at them. There's hardly anything to them. They are so utterly plain. Way more effort could have been put into them.

Not much detail? No effort? dude...

Look at 'em closely, you can see its not all a big black glass wall. As for "effort", I think azzo went over that pretty well...the clean lines, perfect arrangement, etc, etc.

A modernist masterpiece.

[Taller, Better]

So, because some has issues with their city's architecture, they're not allowed to live here? .

The TD Centre? It's merely a black box. There are countless buildings in the world that look the same.

Uhmmm...... don't worry.. you are safe. We let all sorts live here.

and have a great day! :)

[look@round]

They are completely boring. 4 basically identical structures with little detail. Seriously. Look at them. There's hardly anything to them. They are so utterly plain. Way more effort could have been put into them.

I Looooooove TD Center..............
Just because it's black, simple, high, classical. This kind of building will never be "out-of-date".
Definitly one of my favorite in TO...

[leaf345]

They are completely boring. 4 basically identical structures with little detail. Seriously. Look at them. There's hardly anything to them. They are so utterly plain. Way more effort could have been put into them.

Oh yeah, you sure showed him. If only azzo would LOOK at the building. He probably just pulled that whole description out of his ass.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/76/TD_Centre_Toronto.jpg
Argh. Terrible. If only Trump was around back then, he would have made us a building we could be proud of!

[Joe P]

I personally don't mind boxes.

I mean, the ones from the 70's I generally find ugly. But there are a lot of sleek, shiny, boxes I find attractive.

Which is why I'm really hyped for BA,RBC, Shangri-La....the list goes on.

[KGB]

Oh com'on...you guys waste your time debating architecture with someone who can't tell the difference between Mies and anything else? It's beneath you.


Why is everything in Toronto sooo boxy, bland and unimaginative?


Perhaps you are looking at the wrong stuff...or maybe not interpreting it correctly?

I'd say Toronto has been consistantly turning out excellent modern architecture, and impressive "statements" for over 50 years...whether it be "boxes" or the very unboxy (City Hall, Ontario Place, Science Centre, Prii buildings or ROM...the list is endless).

There are very few cities in the world that can boast a more diverse and quality collection of modern architecture since WW2. To say Toronto is one of the worst cities in the world for architecture and design is silly.





KGB

[Dream Brother]

Yeah, but like, actually outside of the quiant historical districts? Just curious though, what do you think of as quality architecture?



Not much detail? No effort? dude...

Look at 'em closely, you can see its not all a big black glass wall. As for "effort", I think azzo went over that pretty well...the clean lines, perfect arrangement, etc, etc.

A modernist masterpiece.

It looks completed outdated and tired. I really don't find it interesting at all. I see the lines and they don't appeal to me. Scotia Tower is much sexier.

[Dream Brother]

Oh com'on...you guys waste your time debating architecture with someone who can't tell the difference between Mies and anything else? It's beneath you.





Perhaps you are looking at the wrong stuff...or maybe not interpreting it correctly?

I'd say Toronto has been consistantly turning out excellent modern architecture, and impressive "statements" for over 50 years...whether it be "boxes" or the very unboxy (City Hall, Ontario Place, Science Centre, Prii buildings or ROM...the list is endless).

There are very few cities in the world that can boast a more diverse and quality collection of modern architecture since WW2. To say Toronto is one of the worst cities in the world for architecture and design is silly.





KGB

City Hall is a cool design but the concrete is gross. It needs to be brightened up. No concrete building looks good. They all look so cold and dated. What's nice about the Science Centre? and the new ROM addition is bloody awful. They couldn't even get matching strips on the exterior. It might have looked ok had it been built in it's original all glass vision.

[talltowers]

I dont know if these have been seen here before. If so, here they are again.

The new south entrance to Union:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/canadian_gino87/union2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/canadian_gino87/union.jpg

Back to the topic at hand. These pictures seem like there is going to be a lot of empy space in between Telus and the Air Canada Centre possibly for the talked about "public square"? However, what about Bremner Blvd road? Isnt it going to take up at least half of the empty space they show the pedestrians walking on? Also, isnt MLS (Maple Leaf Square) going to take up some of this space as well? Or are they planning on not having a road there anymore. Looks nice but I highly doubt there will be that much space to walk around.

[azzo]

City Hall is a cool design but the concrete is gross. It needs to be brightened up. No concrete building looks good. They all look so cold and dated. What's nice about the Science Centre? and the new ROM addition is bloody awful. They couldn't even get matching strips on the exterior. It might have looked ok had it been built in it's original all glass vision.

god, how can you say such a general statement like "No concrete building looks good"? have you seen every concrete building? i guess we should just take your word as you seem to know everything. look up Tadao Ando and Louis Khan, they have some amazing concrete buildings which are considered modern masterpieces

[Bisonblight]

Tall Towers, if you look at this photo posted by Phunky, you can see already where the round-a-bout is along Bremmer. The area just to the North of it, which is currently a hole will be the "square." In the second of the renderings Tuscani posted, I believe the man in the foreground is facing the street.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/206/491153686_0ba50d9fc2_b.jpg Taken by: http://www.flickr.com/people/norliss/