Concord Park Place | Approved | Multi-Tower Development | North York; Willowdale

[p5archit]

Giant condo project planned in North York
20 or more towers on drawing board
Site bought for $150 million
Oct. 31, 2006. 01:00 AM
TONY WONG
BUSINESS REPORTER

One of the largest condominium developments in Canada is being planned next to the Ikea store in North York.

Vancouver-based Concord Adex Investments Ltd. has purchased 16 hectares near Leslie St. and Sheppard Ave. from Canadian Tire Corp. for $149.7 million. Concord plans to build at least 20 condominium towers on the site, including as many as 4,000 units with up to 4 million square feet of space, as well as a park and community centre, Cliff McCracken, senior vice-president of Concord Pacific Group Inc., the parent company, said yesterday.

Concord Adex is responsible for some of Canada's biggest developments, including the $3 billion Concord Pacific Place project on the downtown Vancouver Expo 86 lands site; and the massive CityPlace development on former railway lands by Spadina Ave. in downtown Toronto.

So far, the company has completed nine towers at the CityPlace site and is marketing another four, McCracken said. CityPlace is already Toronto's largest condo site, zoned for 5.5 million square feet of living space.

McCracken said the privately held company, headed by the Hui family of Vancouver, plans to build towers at the North York site that are more in keeping with the scale of the neighbourhood. Some of the developer's downtown towers soar more than 40 storeys.

The site currently has a Canadian Tire distribution centre and store. Canadian Tire plans to keep about 1.2 hectares for future use and will retain the existing store site.

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[civic_man]

I'm sure that we will see more and more devellopment along the currently under-utilized Sheppard Line. This is also very close to the 401 so the access to is should be quite good.

I'm sure that the potential "moving date" for anything in that project is quite far but it's still a good news. :cheers:

[valantino]

"I'm sure that the potential "moving date" for anything in that project is quite far "

I don't know about that

The siteplan and all other relative information is probably already approved when Canadian Tire partnered with (unconfirmed) Monarch to redevelop highrises on many of its properties back around the turn of the millenium

Being in North York, its not exactly competing with Cityplace either

[Homer J. Simpson]

With projects like these, the Sheppard Subway may someday soon become very usefull.

[Taller, Better]

20 condos at Leslie and Sheppard? I've been waiting, but a frisson of excitement has not swept over me.....

[InTheBeach]

Hopefully not as hostile as Cityplace.

TB, here is some frisson...:banana:

[Taller, Better]

Might be a good chance for Concord to recycle a bunch of 12 old condo plans!! Can you get LEED certification for that type of recycling programme?:cheers:

[Marcanadian]

Usually when you use Vancouver and Concord in the same sentence your going to get a bland condominium. Let's hope it's not!

[Epi]

This is great news! I've often wondered if anything was going to happen to that area. I wonder if this development includes the huge plot of empty land in front of the Ikea (where the McDonald's sits). That is a huge and underutilized area that has been waiting for some development. I hope they do it right, and don't extend the uglyness that is New York Towers all the way to Leslie. Now all they need is some more commercial development along Sheppard and it will become the next Eglinton East.

[samsonyuen]

Wow, that is huge. Bessarion station should be a lot busier! I wonder what height they'll build, and how long it'll be til their plans are announced...

I was walking along the Ikea fronting site that's emply and thinking how strange it is that it's also been kept empty. Could they have more retail there? Like a Wal-Mart?

[phunky]

awesome stuff :) another spot in toronto that needs filling that will actually be filled. w00t!

[valantino]

old development
new owners

one can expect a few revisions but I doubt the maimum height of 28 storeys will change

- tallest towers inbehind McDs and along 401
- shortest along Sheppard
- 3 office towers by the subway station

[Byron]

"Cliff McCracken"

If his name had been Phil, I would not have believed you p5.

Great news!

[ScrapeTheSky]

They should use some of the development charges to go toward finishing the Sheppard subway. Any instensification along the Sheppard line is a good thing.

[urban 2.0]

Prediction:

By the year 2050 1/2 of all Toronto residents will live in a building built by Concord Adex.

But I can't complain - at least Concord Adex builds what they say they will - compare that with Pen Equity!!

[p5archit]

It would be great if Concord/Adex held an International Design Competition, inviting various architects to design 1 or 2 towers/ townhomes etc. The variety in architecture would be great for the area, not to mention add some colour to the blandness of the area...

By the way, anyone who considers Wal/Mart retail is out of their mind..We should be promoting small, but smart growth- where people will walk, sit, eat, drink, shop etc. Vacuous places such as Wal-Mart and other such box-stores should not be incorporated.

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[Canadian Chocho]

Wow, now if we could just build stuff between that and NYCC then you have a busy Sheppard line.

[yin_yang]

im still bedazzled by the sheppard line...was it lastman's doing because it's clearly not in an area that needs it most

[caltrane74]

I know the subway line is not great. But riding the bus on sheppard ave before the subway was a total nightmare. It use to take 2 hours to get from yonge to don mills.

[Dino Domingo]

With projects like these, the Sheppard Subway may someday soon become very usefull.

Actually, I think this development will give further might for those pushing to expand the subway line even further east to Scarborough!

[Skybean]

The TTC should improve the bus service on feeder routes of buses that go into stations and increase parking around the stations. These actions increase ridership.

If you need to wait 30 minutes to take a bus into Leslie, no one is going to use the bus. At the same time, there is a parking lot for 30 or so cars. At Don Mills, ridership has been decent because of good feeder lines and a massive parking structure. The infrastructure around the subway line is inadequate as it stands currently.

[rbt]

it's clearly not in an area that needs it most
What is an area that needed a subway more? I'm going to ask you to back it up with surface transit ridership numbers.

I know of two routes. One would be profitable from the outset but cause serious over-crowding. The other appears like it will happen as an oversized tram line -- approx 15k person/hour capacity instead of the subways 30k.

Eglinton West was never a better choice than Sheppard. It just happened to end in NDP territory so Rae liked it. It was originally intended to be surface transit.

Frankly, Eglinton versus Sheppard is a bit like Queen versus Bloor.


Many would say that Sheppard should not have been built and no other subway line either. $1B could have built a pretty substantial LRT network.

[Homer J. Simpson]

^Eglington would have been a fine candidate.

Replacement of the SRT would have been another worthy candidate before Sheppard.

The good news is that there is alot of developement now around Sheppard that is making the line more of a legit expense.

[urban 2.0]

^Eglington would have been a fine candidate.

Replacement of the SRT would have been another worthy candidate before Sheppard.

The good news is that there is alot of developement now around Sheppard that is making the line more of a legit expense.

... Well I would love to see the Eglington - but I think it's paramount to finish the Sheppard East to STC - it only makes sense - and would really help STC become a hub similar to North York.

[KGB]

Sheppard and Eglinton were both good candidates for subway lines (among others). It makes perfect sense to have properly spaced out cross-town lines to compliment the already existing north-south subway routes....makes for smaller feeder routes that get to subways faster, and would increase ridership because of it. The intensification along those routes are also a major part of the city planning idea.

But subways are generally creatures of politics and Sheppard was no exception...it was built because Mel was determined to have it...and he got it.

Eglinton and Sheppard were both going ahead which was good. But then Eglinton was cancelled and Sheppard was scaled back to Don Mills instead of STC. Not so good.





KGB

[p5archit]

^^Not so good is right- not to mention, that a fair chunk of the Eglinton line was actually built, but was filled in with dirt at the Tories request. Obviously, the logical step would have been to complete both the Sheppard and Eglinton lines, spend the money and put an end to Toronto's complaining regarding lack of Public Transit funding..at least for a good amount of time- not to mention possibly win some votes back from Liberal Toronto..

However, this is and was not meant to be, and instead we have a truncated line to nowhere- so I guess we better make the best of it and densify the area..

not sure if i completely strayed here...or not..?

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[Homer J. Simpson]

The EW Line was backfilled at the cost of about $ 80 - $ 90 million at the time or about roughly 10% to 15% of what the total cost would have been.

[wiki]

RENDERSSSSSSSSSSSS

[Jaye101]

What is an area that needed a subway more? I'm going to ask you to back it up with surface transit ridership numbers.

I know of two routes. One would be profitable from the outset but cause serious over-crowding. The other appears like it will happen as an oversized tram line -- approx 15k person/hour capacity instead of the subways 30k.

Eglinton West was never a better choice than Sheppard. It just happened to end in NDP territory so Rae liked it. It was originally intended to be surface transit.

Frankly, Eglinton versus Sheppard is a bit like Queen versus Bloor.


Many would say that Sheppard should not have been built and no other subway line either. $1B could have built a pretty substantial LRT network.

I still think they should have built Queen over Bloor, and I'll always feel they should have built Eglinton over Sheppard.

^Eglington would have been a fine candidate.

Replacement of the SRT would have been another worthy candidate before Sheppard.

The good news is that there is alot of developement now around Sheppard that is making the line more of a legit expense.

... Well I would love to see the Eglington - but I think it's paramount to finish the Sheppard East to STC - it only makes sense - and would really help STC become a hub similar to North York.

To the stake with you!

[Homer J. Simpson]

^I'm no damned herritic!!!

[urban 2.0]

I still think they should have built Queen over Bloor, and I'll always feel they should have built Eglinton over Sheppard.


To the stake with you!

... and your issue being????

[Jaye101]

You guys spelt Eglinton with two g's. :nuts:

Which is almost as bad as spelling it Young, or pronouncing it Queens Qway. Anyways...

[thryve]

A long time ago, I somehow thought it was 'Englington'.... ugh

[Homer J. Simpson]

You guys spelt Eglinton with two g's. :nuts:

Which is almost as bad as spelling it Young, or pronouncing it Queens Qway. Anyways...

LOL, and I didn't even notice!

Who appointed you mod of good spelling? :nuts:

[p5archit]

Eglinton over Sheppard? Queen over Bloor? I would stick with Bloor, however, i think if Queen had been built, it would have been probable that Bloor would have been built afterwards...?

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[Ed007Toronto]

Not so good is right- not to mention, that a fair chunk of the Eglinton line was actually built, but was filled in with dirt at the Tories request.

Actually only a small amount of work was done at Eglinton West station and no where else. Had they actually completed any of the tunnels there would have been no reason to fill them in.

[samsonyuen]

I used to think it was East Lington when I was a kid!

I don't think Bloor would've been build if Queen was built, but who knows?

[valantino]

" I still think they should have built Queen over Bloor"

I disagree

-the TTC was running two-car train on Bloor before it was built (pre 1962)
-Bloor is more centralized than Queen

[urban 2.0]

Actually only a small amount of work was done at Eglinton West station and no where else. Had they actually completed any of the tunnels there would have been no reason to fill them in.

... I also think the main reason they filled in the work was to preserve it for future construction. It would have been far cheaper had they not cared about destroying what had been built. I don't know but I bet proper drainage was put in.

[p5archit]

It would be interesting to find out exactly how much of the Eglinton Line was actually completed and then also to find out if it was filled in like Urban 2.0 says, to preserve it- Also, does anyone know from where to where the Eglinton Line was supposed to run?


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[valantino]

Hard to say what was built and what wasn't if the mode of construction was by TBM - I do however remember the street being ripped apart to relocate utilities (probably why a two or three block stretch west of Eglinton West Station has its overhead wires removed)

[lakeshore]

I think the Eglinton line was supposed to eventually end at the airport. At the time of constuction I think the line was going to end at Black Creek. Someone
correct me if I am wrong.

[urban 2.0]

It would be interesting to find out exactly how much of the Eglinton Line was actually completed and then also to find out if it was filled in like Urban 2.0 says, to preserve it- Also, does anyone know from where to where the Eglinton Line was supposed to run?


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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d0/Eglinton_West_Line.gif


http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/d/d0/Eglinton_West_Line.gif


http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://transit.toronto.on.ca/images/subway-5112-03.jpg&imgrefurl=http://transit.toronto.on.ca/gotransit/2108.shtml&h=364&w=599&sz=63&hl=en&start=1&tbnid=UMPOzSkjFROhPM:&tbnh=82&tbnw=135&prev=/images%3Fq%3DEglinton%2BWest%2Bsubway%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official_s%26sa%3DG

[p5archit]

Urban 2.0- thanks!

I am somewhat confused regarding the above posted map. I would have thought that the line would have crossed Yonge St., but from the map it seems as though the line was to begin at Eglinton West..Also there seems to be two different maps..Can you explain..

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[Jaye101]

Although after WW2 the amount of people who used the Bloor streetcar surged, after the Bloor subway was built it left most of the people to transfer at Yonge Street. It seemed as I read more upon this that Toronto's subways were always planned to follow roads. If most of people commuting to Downtown were going to the Front/King/Queen area, and were comming from places accross the Don Valley. Why not build it along Queen Street in the core, and then drag it north as the city's lakeshore drags north. Although planning along commuting patterns may result in an outdated system, it seems as if 50 years later the statis quo remains the same. The Yonge line's capacity south of Bloor is drastically reduced because of this. All those transfers between The Bloor and Yonge line can be eliminated if the Bloor line had moved south not even 2 kilometers south in the Downtown area. You can see the effects of this cascading into the 1966 attempt to create a more efficient system by allowing trains from Bloor to move unto the YUS line to take people straight downtown-this failed. The Bloor line was a mistake, and if the system was administered as it is today the Queen subway would have been built, because the debate between two powers The City (Queen) and The TTC (Bloor).

[monkeyronin]

What about this? I believe it is an official TTC map plan..

http://img466.imageshack.us/img466/8886/ttcv5jt1.png

Although after WW2 the amount of people who used the Bloor streetcar surged, after the Bloor subway was built it left most of the people to transfer at Yonge Street. It seemed as I read more upon this that Toronto's subways were always planned to follow roads. If most of people commuting to Downtown were going to the Front/King/Queen area, and were comming from places accross the Don Valley. Why not build it along Queen Street in the core, and then drag it north as the city's lakeshore drags north. Although planning along commuting patterns may result in an outdated system, it seems as if 50 years later the statis quo remains the same. The Yonge line's capacity south of Bloor is drastically reduced because of this. All those transfers between The Bloor and Yonge line can be eliminated if the Bloor line had moved south not even 2 kilometers south in the Downtown area. You can see the effects of this cascading into the 1966 attempt to create a more efficient system by allowing trains from Bloor to move unto the YUS line to take people straight downtown-this failed. The Bloor line was a mistake, and if the system was administered as it is today the Queen subway would have been built, because the debate between two powers The City (Queen) and The TTC (Bloor).

Bloor Line was a mistake? Queen would have been so much better? Bloor is a semi-central street that runs through the entire city, as opposed to Queen and its small area in the south. The current Bloor line gives access to many more people than the planned Queen line would have. By the way, Queen was actually to be an underground streetcar line rather than a full on subway.

Here's the planned route:
http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/73/tormap1970tt1.jpg

[Canadian Chocho]

What about this? I believe it is an official TTC map plan..

http://img466.imageshack.us/img466/8886/ttcv5jt1.png

1. I think the the Yonge line should stop at Steeles, definately not in to Richmond Hill.

2. If it is official, why does it have a VIVA "that way is north" sign?

3. What's all this about Eglinton West? I can't beleive I never knew this!

[Homer J. Simpson]

^Never heard of Eglinton West?

You must have spent the early 90's on the moon or perhaps somewhere on Mars.

[Canadian Chocho]

Mars.

[xfogus]

http://img466.imageshack.us/img466/8886/ttcv5jt1.png
This is beautiful, but considering the time it took them to build the existing lines, this will not be happening in our lifetime.

[Canadian Chocho]

Just fly in some Tokyo-(ites?) and they'll do the job right!

[Homer J. Simpson]

Just get Ottawa to right a check.

[monkeyronin]

Just get Ottawa to right a check.

I think lifting Toronto out of the ground and moving it to Spain is a more realistic idea.

[Homer J. Simpson]

Lots of good ideas here tonight.

[Filip]

Very eastern-biased map.

Anyhoo, Toronto is screwed as long as its in Canada.. By the time I'm 70 I don't expect much change regarding infrastructure. Aside from maybe 10 new terminals at Pearson (as they are funded privately)

[monkeyronin]

Very eastern-biased map.

Actually, the west still has more stations, plus coverage further west, the east just has more of a "blanket" of lines. :D

[Jaye101]

What about this? I believe it is an official TTC map plan..

Bloor Line was a mistake? Queen would have been so much better? Bloor is a semi-central street that runs through the entire city, as opposed to Queen and its small area in the south. The current Bloor line gives access to many more people than the planned Queen line would have. By the way, Queen was actually to be an underground streetcar line rather than a full on subway.

Here's the planned route:...


Your map actually states that it is not an official map in the bottom right hand corner.


http://transit.toronto.on.ca/images/subway-5104-18.gif

What I stated was an actual proposal, but I'm not sure why must it follow roads so sharply. This proposal was by the city of Toronto, it was named "The Flying U." Not only did the overcrowding of the Yonge line south of Bloor cause the attempt at a more efficient system in 1966, it actually caused the construction of the University Subway-pretty expensive mistake.

At the time, ridership on the Yonge subway was starting to exceed expectations. Eight-car Gloucester trains which had been the exception became the norm. The TTC realized that suburban commuters using the Bloor line would have to transfer trains in order to continue trips downtown, and they realized that the Yonge subway south of Bloor would bear the brunt of that traffic if measures weren’t taken to alleviate it.

I'm glad they realize their mistake. Too bad incompetence won over logic. To think we're going to have to pay for this again when The Yonge line south of Bloor begins expiriancing massive overcrowding. Bloor will always be a mistake. If you chose to accept it, that's beyond me.

1. I think the the Yonge line should stop at Steeles, definately not in to Richmond Hill.

2. If it is official, why does it have a VIVA "that way is north" sign?

3. What's all this about Eglinton West? I can't beleive I never knew this!

Although in reality the border between the 905 and the 416 is invisible, what it represents is significant. YorkU is a significant destination, but is VCC? People are comming up with some proposals for light rail to actually go into Pickering, East Scarborough couldn't even support light rail and your going to Pickering? As the city begins to intensify in Scarborough, East York, Etobicoke and North York. Shouldn't we try and support their Urban travel before serving suburban travel? If you don't have the time to mow your own lawn, why agree to mow somebody elses. It's you that's going to be left with the crappy lawn, or bad TTC service in this case.

Here's a link to the history of the Eglinton West line.
http://transit.toronto.on.ca/subway/5112.shtml

[monkeyronin]

Your map actually states that it is not an official map in the bottom right hand corner.

touche. It looks like an officual document though, I wouldn't be too suprised if the TTC did something like that if given the cash (after years of studies on what exactally to spend that cash on of course) ;)


I'm glad they realize their mistake. Too bad incompetence won over logic. To think we're going to have to pay for this again when The Yonge line south of Bloor begins expiriancing massive overcrowding. Bloor will always be a mistake. If you chose to accept it, that's beyond me.

So wait, whats wrong with University now? (although about that line.. I'd have put the northern dection along Bathurst or something rather than the Allen)

I also fail to understand everyone's aversion to transfers.. they're not a big deal. and overcrowding isn't such a big deal either, University is available for people coming from Bloor west, Yonge for people from Bloor east. :dunno:

But really, the worst part though about a Queen line would be that the Queen we know and love today would not exist. there would be no streetcar, and there probably wouldn't be the builings that exist right now either.. it would be more like Bloor further dowtown.

[Jaye101]

There's nothing wrong with University, it was built because Bloor was built instead of Queen-not a mistake, but a product of one. I'm not talking about the Northern portion, I'm talking about the YUS line between St. George and Union.

When 90% of the people transfer to travel ~2 kilometers south, the system was not built for efficient travel.

You can't really imagine how the city would have been different, as we don't have special powers. The city would infact be different, which wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing.

[urban 2.0]

This is beautiful, but considering the time it took them to build the existing lines, this will not be happening in our lifetime.

... actually to see the above map built would take about 16 lifetimes at the rate this city moves on anything.


We'll be living on Mars and earth will have all but dried up by the time we can take the subway from the airport to STC without touching the Bloor line, which will because of overcrowding be turned into one giant moving sidewalk.

[urban 2.0]

Very eastern-biased map.

Anyhoo, Toronto is screwed as long as its in Canada.. By the time I'm 70 I don't expect much change regarding infrastructure. Aside from maybe 10 new terminals at Pearson (as they are funded privately)



I nominate the Pearson group to run our transit system - if they can build an airport in the time that we spent talking about the idea of the St. Clair LRT - I think they could get work actually done.

I don't trust Miller or any other professional bureaucrat to run our affairs.

Do nothing - is the Toronto/Ontario/Canada way to running our cities and upgrading our infrastructure (with the exception of highway building).

[monkeyronin]

I nominate the Pearson group to run our transit system - if they can build an airport in the time that we spent talking about the idea of the St. Clair LRT - I think they could get work actually done.

Thats actually one of the best ideas I've heard in ages :/

[LordMandeep]

the light blue line is pointless as long parts of it has no stops...


I will guess total cost would be around 10-15 billion dollars for two new lines plus all thos extentsions???

Thats a lot, i think over 20-30 years is an reasonable timeframe. Build the line up to york region, then in 2010 extend sheppard, in 2015 extend bloor both ways and yonge up to steeles, and in 2025-2030 build the eglinton line.

[urban 2.0]

the light blue line is pointless as long parts of it has no stops...


I will guess total cost would be around 10-15 billion dollars for two new lines plus all thos extentsions???

Thats a lot, i think over 20-30 years is an reasonable timeframe. Build the line up to york region, then in 2010 extend sheppard, in 2015 extend bloor both ways and yonge up to steeles, and in 2025-2030 build the eglinton line.

..... then add 50 years of political discussion and debate.

[Martinsizon]

i dont remember if this was mentioned here or not so i will post it anyway. Planning documents for a 45s/164m mixed use building in North York on the SE corner of Sheppard & Yonge:
http://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/2006/agendas/council/cc060925/nomj(18).pdf

[thryve]

I can't wait to see what this development will look like, by Concord Adex.

When will we be able to see renderings/ planning documents? Anytime remotely soon?

[noob(but not really)]

A long time ago, I somehow thought it was 'Englington'.... ugh

Probably because Islington has a g between the n and the t.

Jaye, I already pointed out why the "flying U" wouldn't work in other threads. The biggest problem is that an eastern DRL was never built, and that's why the status quo in congestion has been maintained.

Yes, I also can't wait to see what this development will look like.

[Regan4000]

I live just south of the 401/Bayview... The traffic these days is bad enough. Turning left, south onto Bayview from Sheppard is like grinding teeth. I'm all for density in the city, but Jesus, this is going to make driving that much worse.

[CrazyCanuck]

I think that is the whole point Regan, make driving worse so PT use goes up.

[Regan4000]

Yeah, I agree. But still. It's wishful thinking. There will be increased ridership on the Sheppard line, but a lot of people who like driving will still drive. People put up with a lot of bullshit to get to work. I assume a good number of people moving in will be people re-locating from the suburbs, who'll will probably welcome the drive from Bayview instead of from Pickering.

I think it's better to build these developments than to sprawl out and destroy what little natural forests we have left; I'll just have to put up with more traffic.

[current]

In the March 19 Condo Guide on page 64:

Concord Adex asks local community to name new project - Unveils community naming contest for new North York development



Concord Adex Developments Corporation has announced that they will ask local residents in Toronto’s Ward 24 to help name their new 42-acre North York condo development project. Located on Sheppard Avenue between Bessarion and Leslie subway stations, the project will feature four million sq. ft. of living space in a mix of low- and high-rise buildings, an eight-acre park, community centre, daycare centre and a range of retail shops.

“Our vision for the site is to create a pleasant urban community connected to North York as well as the Greater Toronto Area,” says Dennis Au-Yeung, Vice-President, Finance and Administration, Concord Adex Developments Corporation. “North York is a vibrant community, and we want to ensure our site reflects that personality. The community-naming contest provides us the opportunity to ask the community for their opinions.”

North York residents will be asked to submit their name suggestions to Concord Adex through the contest site at http://www.concordnamingcontest.com or to fill out ballots at kiosks in Fairview and Bayview Village Mall. The contest is open from March 9 to March 30, 2007. The winning project name will be selected by a judging panel on April 2, 2007. Judges will include: David Shiner, Councillor, Toronto Ward 24; Keith Laking, President, Willowdale Group of Artists; Brent Marchand, Chair of the Institute of Communications and Advertising; and Connie Sephton, Assistant General Manager of Fairchild Television.

The grand prize is a Samsung home entertainment package, which includes a 63-inch Widescreen Plasma HD Television, a 5.1 Channel Home Theatre System and a Blu-ray Disc Player. The approximate retail value is $10,000. All entries will be eligible for one of the 10 secondary prizes – a $200 IKEA gift certificate.

“We encourage local residents to be part of the process and help name the new project,” says Au-Yeung. “We are looking to create a site that fits the North York community and the name is the first step in this process.

About Concord Adex

Concord Adex Developments Corp. is a member of the Concord Pacific Group Inc., a leading developer of urban, master-planned residential neighbourhoods. The company, with headquarters in Vancouver, was founded in 1987 and builds complete communities that create long-term value for residents.

[current]

The contest closes today at midnight and is open only to:

ELIGIBILITY: To enter and be eligible to win, you must be a legal resident of the Province of Ontario, who has reached the age of majority and who resides in the residence whose postal code begins with one of the following prefixes: M2K, M2H, M2M, M2N, M2J, M1W, M1T, M3A, M3B, M2L, M2P, M2R, M3J, M3N, M9L, M9M, M9N, M3L, M3M, M6L, M3K, M6M, M6N, M6E, M6C, M6B, M6A, M5M, M3H, M3C, M4A.

[InTheBeach]

And the winner is....












...California Place!

[Dino Domingo]

No fair! I want to enter but I live downtown. They shouldn't limit the entries. Not everyone who lives in North York lives in the immediate area.

[phunky]

I think it was comletely fair to limit it to the specific community :)

[Regan4000]

California Place? Sheppard and Bayview definitely does not remind me of California. I have lived just south of there for 22 years... It's nice, but California? I don't get the reference, does it have a southern theme?

[kettal]

I nominate the Pearson group to run our transit system - if they can build an airport in the time that we spent talking about the idea of the St. Clair LRT - I think they could get work actually done.

Unfortunately, Pearson is also about the most expensive airport to operate in the world.

[kettal]

California Place? Sheppard and Bayview definitely does not remind me of California. I have lived just south of there for 22 years... It's nice, but California? I don't get the reference, does it have a southern theme?

How long do these marketing names last after they've been built, anyways. 5 years from now it will just be 2000 Sheppard East.

[phunky]

I think he was joking about the name. I hope he was!

[thryve]

Guys, it says right in the article that the name isn't being selected until April 2, 2007.

He was clearly joking... California Place... think about it.

[InTheBeach]

Yes. I was mocking the senseless marketing names that the developers come up with, and suggesting that the general population will come up something equally stupid.

Actually I think this is a good thing, and agree with making sure that entrants are local.

[hyral]

the name has to have "Concord" in it..

I have a feeling its gonna be in the lines of Concord Heights, or Concord Hills, or Concord Place, etc etc :bash:

[valantino]

something along the lines of Renaissance Place

[hyral]

http://www.concordadex.com/parkplace/images/park_place.jpg

It's officially going to be called Concord Park Place.
http://www.concordadex.com/parkplace/

Typical name, but I'm not surprised they couldn't come up with a better name

[Taller, Better]

the name has to have "Concord" in it..

I have a feeling its gonna be in the lines of Concord Heights, or Concord Hills, or Concord Place, etc etc :bash:

My entry: "Concord Grape".

[yin_yang]

CONDORD: we don't have an E on the end so don't expect anything fast...

[current]

There already is in North York a condo development called Park Place by The Lancer Group Corp. It is located on the west side of Bathurst St., just south of Sheppard Ave. W. It is an eight-storey 92-unit building. So the name is not original.

http://www.parkplacetoronto.com/

[phunky]

Interesting. I guess they feel the one being built now, no one will really notice or care about it like their monstrous project.

Still, they should have done their homework and went with something more original.

[InTheBeach]

Yep. The people have spoken, and the picked a stupid name.

Park Place? I guess Boardwalk was taken. Truth be told, this place will be more like Baltic Ave.

[kettal]

Bessarion Place.

Where's my prize?

[current]

There is one more new development that has decided to use the name Park Place. It is in downtown Brampton and it is "coming soon":

http://www.parkplacecondos.ca

Now there will be three Park Place developments in the GTA.

[VikkyD]

OY!! too many projects with such a dull name!

[Tuscani01]

There is one more new development that has decided to use the name Park Place. It is in downtown Brampton and it is "coming soon":

http://www.parkplacecondos.ca

Now there will be three Park Place developments in the GTA.

Wow I like Brampton's Park Place... Its a good modern looking condo... not something I would expect from there.

[phunky]

Wow I like Brampton's Park Place... Its a good modern looking condo... not something I would expect from there.
Ya I was surprised too when I saw it in the newest Condo Guide.

[CrazyCanuck]

I actually like the sound of Concord Boardwalk a lot better, lol.

[kettal]

Is this place going to have any attractions or will it be purely residential?

[valantino]

Park Place? I guess Boardwalk was taken. Truth be told, this place will be more like Baltic Ave.


Concord is co-developing a Park Place in Richmond BC so I don't think there is such a thing as being 'taken'

[InTheBeach]

Concord is co-developing a Park Place in Richmond BC so I don't think there is such a thing as being 'taken'

But you are forgetting about all the people that have/will be 'taken' to the cleaners by these guys.

[current]

Would the name Concord SST fly?

[current]

The Condo Guide Magazine

Concord Adex unveils plans for Concord Park Place – North York’s largest condominium development - Master-planned community invests $2 billion in the area

http://www.newhomesandcondos.ca/content/4/20070528/A1_6815.jpg

Concord Adex Developments Corporation has just unveiled the plans for Concord Park Place, North York’s largest-ever condominium development. Based on its award-winning master-planned communities, Concord Adex outlined plans for the first phase of Concord Park Place’s $2-billion redevelopment of 42 acres of prime land located between Bessarion and Leslie subway stations on Sheppard Avenue.

“Concord Park Place is a fitting name for our vision of revitalizing this part of North York. The name encapsulates the connected community, which aims to create a lasting legacy for residents and the local community alike,” says Terry Hui, Chief Executive Officer, Concord Adex Developments Corporation. “This first phase will showcase Concord Adex’s ability to create a highly livable and vibrant environment where residents will be able to interact with their community and neighbours while taking advantage of everything that the City of Toronto has to offer.”

Concord Adex’s connected community initiative includes building a community centre, daycare facilities, a range of retail stores and an eight-acre park designed to be an urban oasis. With construction starting in summer 2007, Concord Park Place will take approximately 10 years to complete and the finished community will feature a mix of high- and low-rise buildings with more than four million sq. ft. of living space.

Involving the community
To ensure the name reflected the North York community, Concord Adex asked local residents to participate in a naming contest in March. More than 1,000 people entered their name suggestions and a judging panel of North York dignitaries selected the final winner. The contest winner, Toni McDeremott, took home a $10,000 grand prize of a Samsung home entertainment package.

In addition, local North York artist, Stephen Cruise, who has been commissioned to design The Trudeau Memorial, is working with Grade 2 students from Elkhorn Public School to create a mosaic piece for one of Concord Park Place’s buildings.

“This is an exciting first step which is modeled on our highly successful Toronto CityPlace and Vancouver Concord Pacific Place communities,” adds Hui. “Concord Park Place will be a community that offers a sustainable lifestyle welcomed by young professionals, families and seniors.”

About Concord Adex
Concord Adex Developments Corp. is a member of Concord Pacific Group Inc., a leading developer of urban, master-planned, residential neighbourhoods. The company, with headquarters in Vancouver, was founded in 1987 and builds complete communities that create long-term value for residents. For more information, visit www.cityplace.ca.

http://www.newhomesandcondos.ca/modules/magazine/article.asp?AID=5178&MID=4&IDATE=5/28/2007&CMID=4&CIDATE=5/28/2007

[yin_yang]

this development looks pretty gay, seems like they are trying to maximize the publicity of small positive steps they are taking.

[outinleftfield]

please don't use the term gay, referring to something negative. If you are meaning that it is well designed, however... feel free to use the word....:ohno:

[phunky]

^^ I agree, except the only time it should be used is when talking about a homosexual person in my opinion.

[hyral]

passed by canadian tire the other day and they've begun demolition already...
the concord fences are everywhere and it seems like this is developing really fast...

[p5archit]

they also seem to be constructing some sort of bridge and other infrastructure around the area and along the GO line- any ideas what this might be?

p5

[Holland]

I can't get over the pace things move at in this city!!!

[yin_yang]

please don't use the term gay, referring to something negative. If you are meaning that it is well designed, however... feel free to use the word....:ohno:

nothing you can do about it brah, the word's meaning has expanded...was there a ruckus when homosexuals skewed the meaning from happy or something?

[phunky]

Fuck off.

[valantino]

nothing you can do about it brah, the word's meaning has expanded...was there a ruckus when homosexuals skewed the meaning from happy or something?


not expanded but evolved as I imagine the majority of those being refered to 'gay' back in the day when homosexuality was a crime were probably gay

[Jaye101]

Do not use "gay" in that context. Do not insult other members... Com'on, this stuff is implied, you shouold already know this. Please continue the discussion about the Concord's Willowdale development.

I'll change the status to what? Contruction? Because it looks like it when I went to Ikea yesterday. Has it even gone into sales?

[Taller, Better]

Good grief. Using "gay" like that is so three years ago. I can't believe anyone is still using it. It is sort of like saying: "you **GO** girl" and watch everyone's eyebrows rise a bit as they are thinking you belong on a Gerry Springer show. Now, back to Concord....

[Denverboi]

Jaye - you are an excellent moderator! Way to keep it on topic. I use to work in this area and I am excited to hear about how its evolving....

[Homer J. Simpson]

Is there any new pictures or site plans for this yet???

this development looks pretty gay, seems like they are trying to maximize the publicity of small positive steps they are taking.

:bash: Not appropriate!!!

[Filip]

Good grief. Using "gay" like that is so three years ago. I can't believe anyone is still using it. It is sort of like saying: "you **GO** girl" and watch everyone's eyebrows rise a bit as they are thinking you belong on a Gerry Springer show. Now, back to Concord....

You know, I remember when we used the term gay in grade 4 or so... We had some pretty stupid sayings, such as (and I remember these clearly):

"Are you gay, do you want to be gay, does your mother know you're gay?"

"Have you seen the movie: "Gay people say no""

Ugh.. immature days.. TO THE MAX.

Anyway, Concord will just build CityPlace lite... Less interesting for sure.

[CrazyCanuck]

Next person that uses the word gay in this thread more than a warning will be sent out.

[phunky]

You know, I remember when we used the term gay in grade 4 or so... We had some pretty stupid sayings, such as (and I remember these clearly):

"Are you gay, do you want to be gay, does your mother know you're gay?"

"Have you seen the movie: "Gay people say no""

Ugh.. immature days.. TO THE MAX.

Anyway, Concord will just build CityPlace lite... Less interesting for sure.
You mean CityPlace is interesting?

[Filip]

You mean CityPlace is interesting?

CityPlace is not interesting, yet it's downtown - they tried somewhat... This, being out there literally, will be much less interesting.. Ugh, what I'm trying to say is it'll suck monkey nipple!

[The 'Sauga]

The first phase of Concord Park Place, Discovery, a pair of 28 storey towers.

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/5079/parkplacefa3.jpg

Overall, I have no beef with this development. It's an improvement over the other developments in North York (aka NY Towers) and will finally add some life to the seldom used Sheppard subway line. Just can't stand the bland name and boring marketing plan though, I mean "Concord Park Place"??...you don't need a naming contest to figure that one out. X\

[phunky]

Oh look. More Toronto style condos! I like em though! The base is cool. Large balconies.

[punchbuggy]

what exactly is toronto style? vancouver style but with grey glass instead of green?

[phunky]

The roof and the balcony style. Very square with clean lines. Darker glass.

Vancouver style is more rounded and curved with green glass.

[punchbuggy]

It works with what we have here. The green goes well with their ocean and curves look good against a backdrop of jagged mountain peaks.

[valantino]

IMO, there's more grey glass than green in Vancouver

Vancouver's style is slimmer, erratic, with a more pronounced podium and penthouse levels

[camel_trainer]

Definitely a lot of grey glass in Vancouver.

Is this design as boring as I think it is? I can't decide if I like it or if I've forgotten about it already.

As for the "gay" thing, I have to admit that sometimes say it too, in reference to something that is negative. Just habit, although I see completely how it can be offensive even though its meaning, in my mind, is not really in reference to homosexuality. (Though perhaps it once was.)

A friend of mine refuses to stop using it, insisting that the word has multiple meanings. He types it "ghey", as in, "that comment is unbelievably ghey." I think it works, but I try to steer clear of the whole thing now.

Viable alternatives:

That blows. (Optional: That blows the family dog.)

That is nonsense.

That is garbage.

That sucks. (Optional: That sucks the hind teat.)

That is bullsh*t. (Optional: That is pure, warm, fresh bullsh*t, directly from the animal's ass.)

They are also interchangeable and combinable. e.g. - Project Symphony's design sucks the hind teat. It resembles pure, warm, fresh bullsh*t, directly from the animal's ass.

Or whatever.

[Taller, Better]

There is no question about it, "gay" used to describe something negative was started as a homophobic term. It would be pretty hard to not see that. Almost everyone who uses it says that they personally do not mean it to be derogatory.. but I'm truly wondering how they cannot see that it is? In any case, it is a bit "dated" as an expression and one doesn't hear it as much any more, thank god. You are right, Camel... there are a million other expressions to use. And, as a side observation, I have never heard a gay person use "gay" in that specific negative way. Usually I heard it strictly from straight people.

[phunky]

I've heard other gay men use the word gay like that. They are younger though, and probably have internal homophobic issues.

[rt_0891]

from e-mail...

Dear Friends,

Thank you for your interest in Concord Park Place.

We wish to take this opportunity to keep you informed about the latest development of this community in the making.
Concord Park Place is a multi-phased residential community development. This 45 acre site will take approximately 10 years to develop. When complete, Concord Park Place will become the largest residential community in the history of North York, Ontario.

Strategically located on the major transportation hub, with two subway stations, a GO Train station, Hwy 401 and 404/DVP, Concord Park Place is truly at the centre of everything. This unparalleled location will guarantee a strong growth potential.

"Discovery at Concord Park Place" is the first phase of this community development. The Public Grand Opening is tentatively slated for July 18, 2007.

However, as an online registrant, you are invited to attend the following events well in advance of the Public Grand Opening.

1) CONCORD PARK PLACE - EARLY BIRD PREVIEW:
June 29, 2007 - July 4, 2007 (closed on July 1, 2007)
2) DISCOVERY AT CONCORD PARK PLACE - EARLY PURCHASE OPPORTUNITY:
July 5, 2007 at 12 Noon
Location:
Concord Park Place Information Centre
We look forward to seeing you in these two events.

Regards,
Your Friends at Concord Park Place

[KGB]

what exactly is toronto style? vancouver style but with grey glass instead of green?


"Toronto style" is an updated derivative of earlier modern styles...generally International, and commonly mixed with early Commercial style. Contextually, this works well for Toronto, as this reflects major building eras in the city's history.

"Vancouver style" is more PoMo, and not derivative of anything else in Vancouver.



Memo to fellow forumers: If you are over the age of 14, and still using the phrase "that's so gay"...please stop. Not so much because it's politically incorrect, or because that phrase's 10 minutes of fame was up years ago... but because it makes you sound like a total immature idiot.





KGB

[InTheBeach]

I agree that "that's so gay" is a _______ expression.

But I regularly use gay in place of happy.

It was a gay event.

They were having a gay old time.

Does that make me a bad person? Does "gay" need to refer to sexual orientation only?

[KGB]

They were having a gay old time. Does that make me a bad person? Does "gay" need to refer to sexual orientation only?


Well, the Flinstones were apparently having a "gay ole time", and I don't recall any of them being gay....(although we really don't know what happened with Pebbles & bam Bam).





KGB

[elliot]

Every product made by Gay Lea starts with farm fresh, wholesome milk.
So you can feel good about giving it to your family.

http://gaylea.pulpandfiber.com/img/library/_sam_media_icons/gaylea_family.jpg

[camel_trainer]

^^ That's pretty funny.

[look@round]

Pictures taken from CN Tower today:

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/2282/img7749rc6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/6055/img7731mt5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Edit: I wonder if I've posted this in the good thread... Is it the good "Concord", not so sure now... If not, I will correct later... not it's too late, time to go to bed!

[phunky]

The newer buildings are so much nicer than the older ones.

[Filip]

Well, the Flinstones were apparently having a "gay ole time", and I don't recall any of them being gay....(although we really don't know what happened with Pebbles & bam Bam).





KGB

:rofl:

This was pretty good...

[kettal]

Is anyone else getting gay targeted advertisements on this page now, as a result of all this gay talk?

[phunky]

lol. Not I.

[monkeyronin]

I'm getting those "real jock" adds again.

[Jasperhouse]

Isn't North York meant to be a garden suburb?

[Taller, Better]

I agree that "that's so gay" is a _______ expression.

But I regularly use gay in place of happy.

It was a gay event.

They were having a gay old time.

Does that make me a bad person? Does "gay" need to refer to sexual orientation only?


LOL! My mum does, too. Always makes me laugh to myself! :lol:

[civic_man]

Do you think that this project will still go ahead if the Sheppard Subway is closed ?

Or if it still go ahead, that would most likely slow the sales a lot ?? :bash:

[phunky]

Maybe this project will save the Sheppard?

[Regan4000]

The Sheppard line is not going to close, keep your pants on.

Even if it had less than half the ridership it had now, it would be pretty tough closing down a massive, state of the art, underground transit system that has been operational for less than a decade.

You'd have to be blind not to notice the development that is already happening along Sheppard as a result.

Bayview Village is a thriving, upscale shopping mall, rather than the classless dump it used to be.

It would have made sense to somehow connect it To Yorkdale, but I think it still serves a purpose.

Rome wasn't built in a day. The NY Tower complex has already risen, and they're still building - putting in a brand new condo right on the north west corner of Bayview/Sheppard.

There is the proposed Condo plan for the old Canadian Tire site.

And apparently in the morning and night it's quite busy, which indicates that people who work downtown use it, and can use modes of transportation other than their cars.

I think it needs ten more years. If it can draw people away from the suburbs, and into the city, where they can live off of and benefit from a subway line that connects downtown, then it is doing it's job.

It needs time to grow. And one thing that is good about it, is THAT IT'S ALREADY BUILT.

[Regan4000]

Drove by the site yesterday. The entire site it cleared. You can see right through to the 401 from Sheppard.

[noob(but not really)]

Yeah, Sheppard's not closing. The TTC just said that so that they'd get more(much needed) funding.

Great news.

[LordMandeep]

yep, i expect this project to move very fast...

[current]

The article is from the latest Condo Guide magazine:

Concord Park Place
This visionary community is truly a village within the city

http://www.newhomesandcondos.ca/content/4/20071015/A1_3535.jpg

It is the largest master-planned community in North York – 45 acres offering that perfect mix of homes, shopping, restaurants, recreational amenities and parklands. Concord Park Place is a fabulous place to live in North York.

“This is a new community all of us can be proud of,” says Alan Vihant, Vice-President of Development at Concord Adex, creator of Concord Park Place and Toronto’s remarkable Concord CityPlace, which stretches from Front Street to Lakeshore.

“What you are seeing take shape is a remarkable new community, which will eventually be home to 10,000 people. Remarkable in the care and attention to detail; remarkable in its concern for the environment; remarkable in its location and in the lifestyles it offers residents.”

Anyone who has visited the presentation centre at 50 Provost Drive, just south off Sheppard Avenue and west of Leslie Street, knows that Vihant is not engaging in hyperbole. Concord Park Place is truly a tribute to Concord Adex skills as an innovator. It has taken a thoughtful approach to making the best use of what was a prime residential site in waiting.

When completed, Concord Park Place will be a self-contained village within a city. Its precincts are within minutes walk from two subway stations, a GO station, a TTC bus line station, and Hwys. 401, 404 and 407. Leslie Street to the east and Bayview to the west sweep residents speedily downtown. Sheppard carries them east and west across the city’s geographic centre.

Reinforcing Concord’s commitment to greening the community and reducing car usage, the Concord Shuttle Service will carry residents to all those public transit stations in peak hours. After that the same shuttle connects with both Bayview Village and Fairview shopping centres.

But the real delights will lie within those magnificent 45 acres. There will be a central eight-acre park, an urban oasis in a bustling world-class city. There will also be a new elementary school, a daycare centre, secure play areas, public art to lift the spirits and a range of retail that runs from service outlets to a mega home furnishing store and hardware store.

The most recent release of condominium suites is in the Discovery II complex, which includes a trio of 12-storey mid-rises. Discovery ll is an extension of Discovery, the first phase at Concord Park Place, which has enjoyed unprecedented success.

Here the enchantment begins the moment you enter the entrance courtyard. One side of the glass-enclosed walkway dances with water jets. The other side is devoted to private spaces for residents to enjoy the park and courtyard views untroubled by intrusions.

Imagine a central water feature, which links a retail court, complete with cafés and restaurants and a cleverly designed north-south bridge leading to the Discovery Club with a 25-metre swimming pool, children’s pool and play area, pet spa and outdoor exercise yard, badminton courts, fitness centre, yoga room, a theatre and two party rooms.

The 491 suites range from 500-sq.-ft., one-bedroom units up to spacious 1,400-sq.-ft., three-bedroom residences, the size of many suburban town houses. Prices are surprisingly affordable, starting from as low as $170,000 and topping out at $550,000. Parking is available at $20,000 a space, as are lockers, which are priced at $2,500.

Interiors by Ceccone Simone make each suite a show place. The celebrated design firm has added touches like under-the-counter microwaves (no more spilling hot soup), one-piece back-painted backsplashes (no more grout between tiles to present clean-up problems), and granite kitchen islands that extend into dining tables or provide extra work space when needed.

The focus in all Discovery suites is to make the absolute best use of every square foot of living space, creating open, generous rooms brightened by the natural light from floor to ceiling windows, says Vihant.

These amazing units boast smooth cooktops on built-in ranges and single-unit washers and dryers to give smaller suites that much extra storage space. Bathrooms have special touches such as the unique medicine cabinets, designed especially for Discovery II by Ceccone Simone.

To take your own voyage of Discovery, visit the presentation centre at 50 Provost Dr., south off Sheppard and west of Leslie Street, next to TD Canada Trust. Hours are from 11 a.m. to 7 p.m. from Monday through Friday and from 11 a.m. to 6 p.m. weekends and holidays. Call 416-813-2999 or visit the website at www.concordadex.com for more information.

http://www.newhomesandcondos.ca/modules/magazine/article.asp?AID=5746&MID=4&IDATE=10/15/2007&CMID=4&CIDATE=10/15/2007

[vancouverite/to'er]

what exactly is toronto style? vancouver style but with grey glass instead of green?

no toronto style is more 1 St. Thomas. This looks like 70's met concord city place...just awful

[ale26]

How will this impact the Skyline ?

[LordMandeep]

the 401 will really start to get a canyon effect in that section between Leslie to Yonge...


In skyline, the North York skyline is bigger the skylines of some cities and it will grow really.

[addisonwesley]

no toronto style is more 1 St. Thomas.

That is probably the only example of its kind in Toronto. One St. Thomas is definitely New York style, not Toronto.

[noob(but not really)]

Reinforcing Concord’s commitment to greening the community and reducing car usage, the Concord Shuttle Service will carry residents to all those public transit stations in peak hours. After that the same shuttle connects with both Bayview Village and Fairview shopping centres.

I expect this to be scrapped, as the TTC would get pissed.

[CrazyCanuck]

They are moving fast on this one, the whole site is just nothing but dirt now.

[Regan4000]

If you look closely, you can see that it is excavated all the way around behind the NEW Canadian Tire, spanning a good chunk of the 401.

[nitzomoe]

I expect this to be scrapped, as the TTC would get pissed.

if ikea can provide free buses to and from their location, this should be allowed as well.

[noob(but not really)]

^^Do you recall what happened on the Queensway?

[yin_yang]

I expect this to be scrapped, as the TTC would get pissed.

the whole point of the shuttle is to make it easier for people to get to the TTC and immediate services

[noob(but not really)]

It basically runs the entire length of Sheppard. If this is to act as a feeder route, the TTC would argue it's supposed to provide that service.

[Skybean]

Hoarding Up. It's a HUGE site for sure. Perfect for increasing the ridership numbers for Bessarion.

[valantino]

looks like they are building a four lane underpass to Leslie from the development

[Jaye101]

If they need a shuttle, something isn't right.

[kettal]

I expect this to be scrapped, as the TTC would get pissed.

The TTC has no say here, it's private property.

As for the proposed shuttle link to Bayveiw Village / Fairview mall, well that just sounds stupid to me.

[yin_yang]

The TTC has no say here, it's private property.

As for the proposed shuttle link to Bayveiw Village / Fairview mall, well that just sounds stupid to me.

it definitely sounds stupid, but is within all legal rights to be implemented....right? either way, why provide a shuttle bus when the subway is...a five minute walk away, tops?

[Epi]

looks like they are building a four lane underpass to Leslie from the development

I can't wait for this to be finished. I'm salivating every day at my commute being shortened by 5 minutes.


I was at the sales centre 2 months ago. From what I saw, it seems like the interior quality of the developments will be nicer than most of the Cityplace buildings downtown. As for the suites themselves, the plans are quite well laid out.

In terms of the entire development, it should be quite nice for a suburban development once it's all done. There will be some effort to make good walking streets and streetfront retail as well. Also, while a lot of people living here will undoubtedly have cars, the shuttle bus would allow people easy access to the subway without having to walk outside, and also easy access to the local malls. Without that bus, I hardly think people would pay $2.75 to ride the subway 1 stop, but would instead drive which would add more to the traffic in the area and would also be worse for the environment. Besides parking at Bayview Village is already at capacity for most of the day. Remember guys, this place is marketed at suburbanites who wish to live in a denser community which is also very affordable. It is definately NOT for people who'd rather live downtown and like to brave the elements to take transit (unlike say downtown Cityplace residents which I fully expect to walk 10 mins to work in the snow).

Downtown Markham it is not, but for Sheppard it's quite nice, especially compared to the disaster that is New York Towers (Bayview and Sheppard).

[kettal]

Fair enough, I still couldn't imagine myself using it though. The shuttle still could be of much use getting from a building to the GO station, for example.

[NorthYorker]

Speaking of which, I've heard the GO station is being moved and connected to Leslie station. Anybody know anything about this?

[noob(but not really)]

Also, while a lot of people living here will undoubtedly have cars, the shuttle bus would allow people easy access to the subway without having to walk outside, and also easy access to the local malls. Without that bus, I hardly think people would pay $2.75 to ride the subway 1 stop

That's what a metropass is for. Surely, with the subway at their doorstep, most residents will invest in one.



but would instead drive which would add more to the traffic in the area and would also be worse for the environment.

Of course. We have to get out of our cars because of global warming, not because it's good for cities. :nuts:



Downtown Markham it is not, but for Sheppard it's quite nice, especially compared to the disaster that is New York Towers (Bayview and Sheppard).

I would hardly call them a disaster.



Speaking of which, I've heard the GO station is being moved and connected to Leslie station. Anybody know anything about this?

Yes, they've been talking about that for quite some time. It was actually planned to be moved after the subway opened. I guess they're procrastinating. :dunno:

[Epi]

That's what a metropass is for. Surely, with the subway at their doorstep, most residents will invest in one.


Metropass is nice and all, but not everyone works downtown or uses the TTC enough to justify the expense. People who will live in Concord Park Place want to live in a condo, but don't want to live downtown or even in NYCC. They want a more suburban lifestyle, which means they probably drive more often than not.

Of course. We have to get out of our cars because of global warming, not because it's good for cities. :nuts:

Environment means everything from traffic, to noise pollution, to smog, to global warming. Think of the more general usage of this word instead of the Al Gore version.

I would hardly call them a disaster.

Some of the ugliest buildings built in the last 5 years... A lot of people would agree with me (some old threads on this forum in fact talked about it). Not to mention that the insides of those buildings are of the lowest quality. I had some friends that lived there and were very not impressed.

[NorthYorker]

NYT may or may not be a disaster, but at least it laid the ground work for the filling of the Sheppard/401 corridor. The city had been fighting this for years and I'm glad to see the land finally used for high density residential as it should be (And I live in Bayview village, just 1km north of the towers). I'm sure the quality of the condos in this slip will continue to improve, and ParkPlace seems like a good step. I also don't agree with the speculation that residents of the area are looking for a suburban environment. The area is great because of its proximity to so many resources (transit, highways, parks, schools, etc). In fact I think people living here are simply trying to get as close to downtown as they can while satisfying the most basic needs of a family.

[Regan4000]

^^

There's also that Shane Baghai development where the church used to be, right near Bessarion.

This area will be quite densely populated in the near future. I just hope people use the subway, because Bayview/Sheppard is terrible for traffic congestion.

[NorthYorker]

Yeah not to mention the Arc condo, and the new one going up in front of Nytowers, called The Bayview which looks to be a mid level condo.

[Skybean]

Construction is quite frantic... there are at least three towers that have sprouted out of the ground.

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/9172/ppcp6.jpg
^^Childish rendering

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/5505/pp2zb2.jpg
http://www.concordadex.com/parkplace/

[Regan4000]

What the...

They make Sheppard/Leslie seem like it's walking distance from the lake.

There are at least 12 subway stops between the development and the CN Tower.

[Skybean]

What the...

They make Sheppard/Leslie seem like it's walking distance from the lake.

There are at least 12 subway stops between the development and the CN Tower.

That.. and Concord Cityplace is HUGE. :)

[Taller, Better]

That was one of the worst renderings I have ever seen.. take a look at the HotWheel's set in the background! I also love how the central business district is apparently set in a cow pasture with a few trees scattered hither/thither! :lol:

[thryve]

It's a very cute and funky rendering... I like it.

Can we have any updates on this? :)

[Skybean]

It's a very cute and funky rendering... I like it.

Can we have any updates on this? :)

I think I mentioned a while back (months ago) that there were a few towers U/C... but as I drove past this weekend, I was totally wrong. There's a couple of other multi-tower developments around this one and they have towers which are close to completion.

As of this weekend, there's hoarding up and a pile of dirt. Not much in terms of actual construction.

[Grey Towers]

There's a couple of other multi-tower developments around this one and they have towers which are close to completion.
That's a Shane Baghai development at Sheppard and Hawksbury.

[cruzin4u]

No movement on the site from what I have seen, still a tower of dirt on the property.

You have 'ARC' by Daniels at the Northeast corner of Bayview/Sheppard.

'The Bayview' by Daniels south of Bayview Village.

As Grey mentioned, 'St. Gabriel' is almost topped out.

Further east just past Leslie you have 'Aria Condos', which is U/C.

[CrazyCanuck]

All that's going on in the area as of now is some sort of underpass is being built next to the Ikea.

[Infoman]

wow toronto is booming from the sounds of this project

[Grey Towers]

As far as I can tell, this site hasn't seen any action since demolition was completed months ago. I pass by frequently (albeit in the evening) and haven't seen any activity in a long while.

[vancouverite/to'er]

No movement on the site from what I have seen, still a tower of dirt on the property.

You have 'ARC' by Daniels at the Northeast corner of Bayview/Sheppard.

'The Bayview' by Daniels south of Bayview Village.

As Grey mentioned, 'St. Gabriel' is almost topped out.

Further east just past Leslie you have 'Aria Condos', which is U/C.

There's also "Thank You" lol