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SILVERLAKE
January 1st, 2007, 05:31 PM
I love this story. It's what I think makes LA so mother fucking fantastic. A person sitting in some frozen ass midwest location sees a single image of what is happening in so cal and says "I need to get the fuck out of here ASAP!". 5 days later she has loaded up the family and is on her way to LA. LA is full of risk takers and creative types. I can't see how all the people from that part of the country don't move here!!!!!!!!!!! I GUESS SOME PEOPLE ARE TOO "pLAY IT SAFE" to go for it. Why not live like this? If you love a little snow, then see it on vacation rather than take vacations to So Cal and Hawaii during Feb@ while living in months of being bundled up!

After parade floats come moving vans
TV viewers in cold climates see Pasadena's January sunshine and get the pack mentality.
By Carla Hall, Times Staff Writer
December 31, 2006



New Year's Day, 1952. Pottsville, Pa.

The snow was waist-high. Inside their home, Betty and Russ Acker and their young children watched the Rose Parade floats glide down Colorado Boulevard. Even on a tiny black-and-white TV, the lushness of the flowers and the warmth of the day came across, radiating into the Acker home. As the parade was winding down, Betty Acker looked at her husband.

"That's it, we're moving," she announced.

A week later, Russ Acker was on a train to Pasadena. He found a Queen Anne house on Summit Avenue and a job as a bookkeeper. Months later, Betty Acker bundled up her three children, all under age 5, for their own cross-country train trek.

When she arrived at her new house, Betty Acker saw green lawns and a magnolia tree in full bloom and thought she had found paradise.

"Nine months later, I was born," said Terri Baker, the youngest daughter of the Ackers, who used to tell her this story each New Year's Day before they headed off to watch the parade in person. "I am a direct result of the tourism of the Tournament of Roses. And I am not unusual."

No one keeps statistics on how many Snow-Belt denizens have watched the Rose Parade or the Rose Bowl game and then bolted for the West Coast. But among Southern Californians, particularly among residents of the San Gabriel Valley, home of the parade and the world-famous stadium, there is a fondly held — if fuzzily documented — belief that every year, people in frigid climes sit in front of their television sets on New Year's Day and become transfixed.

They drink in the lushness of the parade and the sight of what appear to be deliriously happy people sitting in short-sleeved shirts, surrounded by velvety mountains and turquoise skies, as if the telecast were an ad for a resort — alluring, beckoning, even taunting. And then they vow somehow, someday, to move to Southern California.

Najee Ali, executive director of Los Angeles-based Project Islamic Hope, recalled being a youngster on a chilly New Year's Day in Gary, Ind. "I just remember watching the game and seeing the people in shorts and tank tops, and then I looked out the window and saw the snow up to the door and I thought, 'I have to get out of here.' "

Those who move here after being dazzled by the New Year's Day festivities speak of the TV-watching experience in the same confounded, can't-believe-my-eyes way.

"It was a remarkable annual glimpse into a part of the world that you could hardly believe existed," said Michael Collins, executive vice president of L.A. Inc., the Convention and Visitors Bureau. Collins, 62, said it would be an exaggeration to suggest that the New Year's Day extravaganza pulled him from New York to Los Angeles — in fact, he moved to Florida before California — but the images did, nevertheless, work on his psyche.

He said he marveled at the sight of the Pasadena spectators, people "inadequately dressed" for most other parts of the country on New Year's Day, "people with no hats, no gloves, no mittens."

Harry Kerker, on the other hand, is one of the avowed "moths that got sucked into the light."

"It was absolutely miserable in upstate New York," said Kerker, 56, who now lives in La Cañada Flintridge and owns an advertising agency in Montrose. "It's just such an oxymoron to look at this thing on TV and see all these people watching this parade with flowers on the floats."

Young Harry's conversion began in Colonie, N.Y., north of Albany, as he sat in front of the TV with his three brothers.

"I was probably 10 or 8," Kerker recalled. "We'd sit in front of a black-and-white TV and watch the Rose Parade with my mom. We were always mesmerized by it back East. Jan. 1, the weather really starts to get bad. The cold goes right through you."

For Kerker, there was no one epiphanic moment, just a growing lust for California. "Somewhere ingrained in my memory was the thought, 'Gee, someday, I want to live there.' "

In his teen years, there were other things about the day's events to fascinate. "I got interested in the rose queens."

Mostly, though, Kerker's fascination was with the perfection of the Southern California day, as reflected in the parade and the panoramic shots of the San Gabriel Mountains. "I really remember Keith Jackson at the beginning of every Rose Bowl game would say something to the effect of, 'Look at that view of the San Gabriel Mountains behind the Rose Bowl. That will bring 50,000 new people to California every year.' "

Not exactly, said Jackson, the ABC college football broadcaster who was a Rose Bowl game announcer until he retired this spring.

"I usually phrased it like" — Jackson slips into his stentorian broadcaster voice — " 'Those are the broad shoulders of the San Gabriels protecting the world's greatest sports arena.' "

"My reaction was not to praise the setting too much, not to encourage moving," Jackson said with a chuckle.

But over the years, people have confessed to him that the televised vista inspired them to immigrate. Press Jackson to plumb his memory of games and TV shots of the mountains, and he succumbs to the possibility that he might have declared that panorama responsible for people flocking here.

"Oh, I probably have, but I don't recall specifically," said Jackson, who lives in Sherman Oaks.



'Brilliant marketing'

The Tournament of Roses parade started in 1890 and was first telecast in 1947 on W6XYZ, "an experimental TV station at the time that became KTLA," said Caryn Eaves, director of public relations for the Tournament of Roses. The game has been televised since 1948. In 1962, the Rose Bowl match-up was the first college football game broadcast in color, she said.

For roughly half a century, the televised images, intended or not, have been working their magic slowly and consistently, creating and sustaining an image of Southern California as a winter idyll.

"It's regular exposure that happens every single year and with reliability, with certain conspicuous exceptions like when it rains," Collins said.

"It was a brilliant marketing campaign," Kerker said.

After college in Boston, Kerker went into the advertising business there. He moved his wife and children to Los Angeles in 1984 for a job, turning down a more lucrative offer in Chicago.

"It wasn't just the Rose Parade," Kerker said. "The parade lit the fuse. It was Hollywood, then it was advertising."

It took a while to settle in and shake off his guilt about moving his family from a 15-acre spread in picturesque Sherborn, Mass., to a gritty Los Angeles neighborhood. Eventually, the Kerkers settled in La Cañada Flintridge.

Over the last two decades, Kerker estimated, he's been to the Rose Parade — about a dozen times. He has (unsuccessfully) submitted designs for parade floats and his daughters, now in their 20s, tried out for rose queen.

When his daughter Schuyler was a high school senior, her best friend, Sophia Bush (later a star in the TV series "One Tree Hill"), was rose queen. And as Kerker drove them to school one morning, he remembered admiring the crowned princesses of Pasadena on a TV screen. Now one was sitting in his car.

"I kept thinking, 'I'm car-pooling the rose queen.' "

People who were inspired by the parade to move to Southern California go at least once — to the parade or the game.

The Ackers, now deceased, went to the parade most every year, and now their grown children go.

Baker, the office manager of the Pasadena Convention and Visitors Bureau ("There's really no other place I could work"), and her husband generally end up at the intersection of Sierra Madre and East Orange Grove boulevards — the end of the route — to watch the parade.

Some who migrate have a little adjusting to do.

After a childhood in Louisville, Ky., nurtured by TV images of a balmy New Year's Day in Pasadena, Maggie Levy moved in 1972 as a UCLA law student — and stayed — but didn't go to her first parade until after law school. She set out before sunrise to grab a good viewing spot.

Levy, a partner at Manatt, Phelps & Phillips, discovered it wasn't quite as advertised on TV.

"I couldn't believe how cold it was!" Levy said, laughing.

pottebaum
January 2nd, 2007, 01:37 AM
So mother fuckin' true, Silverlake. So mother fuckin' true..

Fern~Fern*
January 2nd, 2007, 02:01 AM
This thread is soooooooooooooooooooo mother fuckin Dude! Lol*

saiholmes
January 2nd, 2007, 05:34 AM
ha ha

chicagogeorge
January 2nd, 2007, 10:58 PM
I love this story. It's what I think makes LA so mother fucking fantastic. A person sitting in some frozen ass midwest location sees a single image of what is happening in so cal and says "I need to get the fuck out of here ASAP!".



New Year's Day, 1952. Pottsville, Pa.
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Last time I checked, Pottsville Pennsylvania is not part of the mother fucking Midwest genius.

Secondly, 1952 was quite a while back. I think times have changed since. Today, California has more domestic out migration than any other state in the union.

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/16208270.htm

BTW Silverlake,
I'll watch out for mother fucking tornadoes, blizzards, and heatwaves....

You watch out for those mother fucking mudslides, wildfires, and earthquakes. OK:lol:

50 degrees today here in Chi-Town:cheers:

SILVERLAKE
January 2nd, 2007, 11:50 PM
This is from your article. ANd it doesn't say anywhere the CA is the biggest loser of domestic population . It says it is barely losing people and that this is an anomaly over the last 150 years.

It also says this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That doesn't mean California has lost its luster as a beacon for the nation's dreams. The flow of people to other states is small. And as the most populous state and the capital of the West, California is experiencing an out-migration that is more about maturation than decline, historians and economists say. California's population of 37 million people is still growing, because of a surplus of births over deaths and because of foreign immigration.

Increasingly, the coast from San Diego to the Bay Area is like the Upper East Side of Manhattan, Starr said, a place that selects the most talented and wealthy. ``It's become an extremely competitive and elite society,'' he said.

pottebaum
January 3rd, 2007, 12:17 AM
I think a psychiatrist would find SILVERLAKE's posting habits fascinating. Sad, but fascinating.

EDIT: excuse me, I mean a "mother fucking" psychiatrist and "mother fucking" fascinating.

chicagogeorge
January 3rd, 2007, 01:17 AM
This is from your article. ANd it doesn't say anywhere the CA is the biggest loser of domestic population . It says it is barely losing people and that this is an anomaly over the last 150 years.

It also says this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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The article says many positive things about California, but it also says........Unlike the tens of thousands who left Silicon Valley following the tech bust earlier this decade, the new migration is about the quest for something besides a job: a better quality of life at a lower cost of living.


People move to California, and people are moving out of California. This is not 1952. All of the growth that Califonia is seeing is due to international migration, and natural birth rates. Americans aren't flocking to Cali. like they were back in the 1950's.

And yes, in 2005, California (along with New York and Illinois) is the biggest loser in domestic migration. Over 645,000 Californians migrated out of California between 2000-2005 only behind New York.

Sorry to burst your bubble silverlake, California is not all that different than most other states today in many aspects....

http://mcdc.missouri.edu/pub/data/popests/Reports/dmig_report_states.html

ArchiTennis
January 3rd, 2007, 03:49 AM
^^

The article says many positive things about California, but it also says........Unlike the tens of thousands who left Silicon Valley following the tech bust earlier this decade, the new migration is about the quest for something besides a job: a better quality of life at a lower cost of living.



that is the single most important reason people leave California.

future_trance011
January 3rd, 2007, 04:17 AM
[QUOTE=chicagogeorge;11126407]^^

The article says many positive things about California, but it also says........Unlike the tens of thousands who left Silicon Valley following the tech bust earlier this decade, the new migration is about the quest for something besides a job: a better quality of life at a lower cost of living.


People move to California, and people are moving out of California. This is not 1952. All of the growth that Califonia is seeing is due to international migration, and natural birth rates. Americans aren't flocking to Cali. like they were back in the 1950's.

And yes, in 2005, California (along with New York and Illinois) is the biggest loser in domestic migration. Over 645,000 Californians migrated out of California between 2000-2005 only behind New York.

^^

hmm...its no coincidence that California had some of the highest housing prices in the country from 2000-2005. If you actually believe people moved out because they got sick of the sunshine and wanted to move back to the snow, tornadoes, and blizzards you are truly in denial...:lol: You can tell that to most of the members of my immediate and extended family and they'll just laugh in your face. Most of us moved away from Colorado exactly just to get away from all that snow and infamous blizzards. But the sunshine is just one of many aspects why we chose to migrate to California.

future_trance011
January 3rd, 2007, 04:28 AM
Silverlake:

Dude, why are you trying to incite trolling from Chicago Forumers? Although, I don't believe Chicago was actually mentioned in the article, I can understand why some of these folks might get sensitive and easily offended.

As much as I love the sunshine, maybe some of these folks in the Midwest actually enjoy being stranded in blizzards and having to shovel snow from their drive ways...who knows? *shrugs*

I don't know what you wanted to prove by posting this article. So please refrain from trying to be so caustic for once!

pottebaum
January 3rd, 2007, 05:11 AM
^look at the log of his previous posts. It's weird.

chicagogeorge
January 3rd, 2007, 05:15 AM
^^

hmm...its no coincidence that California had some of the highest housing prices in the country from 2000-2005. If you actually believe people moved out because they got sick of the sunshine and wanted to move back to the snow, tornadoes, and blizzards you are truly in denial...:lol: You can tell that to most of the members of my immediate and extended family and they'll just laugh in your face. Most of us moved away from Colorado exactly just to get away from all that snow and infamous blizzards. But the sunshine is just one of many aspects why we chose to migrate to California.

Affordable housing is key. However, with 37 million people changes need to be made with the type of housing that exists in California.

Funny you say your from Colorado. Colorado is among the top five states Californians and other domestic migrants form various states choose to migrate too? Kinda blows your sunshine vs blizzard theory away.

http://usgovinfo.about.com/cs/censusstatistic/a/aagoingeast.htm


A great aspect of California, is the mild serene climate. Colorado may have infamous blizzards, but I think people who usually choose to move from one place to another, take climate amongst other things into consideration. I'm definitely not a fan of Chicago winters (albeit they have been quite mild by our standards in recent years), and some may say our summers are too humid, but that would in no way push me away.

Look at Florida, they have horrific heat, humidity, and the threat of hurricanes, but more people move there than any other place in the US. Climate is always a plus, but there are other more important factors. Affordable housing and a robust job market especially.


Silverlake:

Dude, why are you trying to incite trolling from Chicago Forumers? Although, I don't believe Chicago was actually mentioned in the article, I can understand why some of these folks might get sensitive and easily offended.

As much as I love the sunshine, maybe some of these folks in the Midwest actually enjoy being stranded in blizzards and having to shovel snow from their drive ways...who knows? *shrugs*

I don't know what you wanted to prove by posting this article. So please refrain from trying to be so caustic for once!

The article itself, was an excellent piece praising California for what it is, a beautiful place with fabulous scenery. There was nothing wrong with the article. It was silverlake's dimwitted remarks above the article that were so irritating.


I love this story. It's what I think makes LA so mother fucking fantastic. A person sitting in some frozen ass midwest location sees a single image of what is happening in so cal and says "I need to get the fuck out of here ASAP!".


New Year's Day, 1952. Pottsville, Pa.
\

The kids apparently failed geography class. Pennsylvania is on the east coast....

Still, to each his own. Some people prefer blizzards, tornadoes, and heatwaves. Other people choose to live in a highly seismic area prone to mudslides and wildfires.....who knows....*shrugs*:kiss:

future_trance011
January 3rd, 2007, 05:41 AM
^look at the log of his previous posts. It's weird.

Once in a blue moon, Silverlake actually posts something interesting regarding the entertainment industry, etc. But this is just uncalled for, especially the way he makes comments like "It's what I think makes LA so mother fucking fantastic". LA is a great place with nice weather, but the way he is saying it.. sounds more like gloating than anything.

Posting this article would've been fine had he not made those comments. What perturbs me is how he choses to present some of these informative and sometimes interesting articles. You can present an article (be it fact or fiction) without trying to be directly offensive.

Fern~Fern*
January 3rd, 2007, 06:12 AM
^^ I always get a kick out of Silver's threads..... I just sit back and enjoy the drama until one of the Mods either shut it down or start to give warnings. It simple never fails every single time. So everyone carry on!!!!

future_trance011
January 3rd, 2007, 07:03 AM
Affordable housing is key. However, with 37 million people changes need to be made with the type of housing that exists in California.

Funny you say your from Colorado. Colorado is among the top five states Californians and other domestic migrants form various states choose to migrate too? Kinda blows your sunshine vs blizzard theory away.

^^
If you don't know the facts please don't try to sound like you're making a cogent argument....

Yes, I am from Colorado but what you don't know is my family moved here in 1994, this was during the 1990's recession and years before the current housing boom that has afflicted much of California. On the other hand even with the current housing boom; you can get a house much, much cheaper in Aurora, Coloardo than you could in..let's say Laguna Beach, California. The job economy in Colorado has been pretty stable the last few years and the fact is housing is cheaper there and that's why some Californians are selling their houses, making a profit and buying cheaper there. If the housing prices dropped in California, I'm sure many would move back in a heartbeat, even despite the beauty that exists in the Rocky Mtns and steady job growth.

Anyway, when did I ever say this sunshine vs. blizzard theory was mine? I can only speak for my own family's case and experiences, hence I said it was one of many aspects why my family chose to migrate West to California. I'm not saying the weather is the main reason why some people chose to move here, but its certainly a positive reason...Heck you can tell that to my Aunt and two nieces from Colorado who were stranded at DIA (Denver International Airport) three days before Christmas, while flying out to California to visit the rest of the family. It was 75 F degrees on Christmas Eve when they finally arrived in LA..and if I asked her if she'd rather be stuck in a snow storm than enjoying the weather in California she'd give me the evil eye. This of course is just my opinion and like I said I believe there are some people that actually prefer the snow and cold winters. If anything is true, you can't deny the fact the snow-belt and rust-belt has been losing population to the Western and Southern states for the last two decades. This has been a continuing trend that is factual.


http://usgovinfo.about.com/cs/censusstatistic/a/aagoingeast.htm


A great aspect of California, is the mild serene climate. Colorado may have infamous blizzards, but I think people who usually choose to move from one place to another, take climate amongst other things into consideration. I'm definitely not a fan of Chicago winters (albeit they have been quite mild by our standards in recent years), and some may say our summers are too humid, but that would in no way push me away.

I've been to Chicago during the summers, and boy is it excruciatingly humid and personally too hot and unbearable for me. Chicago along with LA and New York is great big city and it definitely has its positives and I can see why many Chicagoans still love their city.

Look at Florida, they have horrific heat, humidity, and the threat of hurricanes, but more people move there than any other place in the US. Climate is always a plus, but there are other more important factors. Affordable housing and a robust job market especially.


I believe Phoenix, Arizona has seen the greatest population increases but since I'm too lazy to dig up statistics regarding Florida, if that is true than it wouldn't be a great surprise to me that affordable housing is the main reason why Florida is seeing increases. The irony of it all is, affordable housing in Florida is partly attributable to the frequency of its hurricane storms and if you took this out of the equation? You betcha! housing prices would be rising and bursting through the seams and be on par with much of California and New York City. Considering much of the population of the USA still lies East of the Missisippi River, it wouldn't surprise me if Florida is seeing the fastest population gains. Its geographically closer to the bulk of America's population and its warm climate and beaches is a draw. But despite California's exorbitant housing prices, it is still a magnate for growth; a true testament to the states allure and drawing power. Regarding the job market? I hope you're not implying that California (particularly Southern California) has a sagging job market? Au contraire! Southern California has had a solid, stable economy even despite the 2001 terrorist attacks). When Northern California (Bay Area) had its dotcom bust in the late 90's who did you think sustained much of California's economy and growth? Two words..Southern California!



The article itself, was an excellent piece praising California for what it is, a beautiful place with fabulous scenery. There was nothing wrong with the article. It was silverlake's dimwitted remarks above the article that were so irritating.

That's what I said there's nothing wrong with the article had he not presented in such an annoying manner.


The kids apparently failed geography class. Pennsylvania is on the east coast....

Still, to each his own. Some people prefer blizzards, tornadoes, and heatwaves. Other people choose to live in a highly seismic area prone to mudslides and wildfires.....who knows....*shrugs*:kiss:

To each his own. I can agree to that....:cheers:

chicagogeorge
January 3rd, 2007, 07:23 AM
^^
If you don't know the facts please don't try to sound like you're making a cogent argument....



I do know the facts. Statistically, Colorado is attracting some 30,000 domestic migrants per year since 2000. California is losing some 100,000 domestic migrants per year. My argument is that people do not look only at the climate as the determing factor on where they would locate. It's really about the money......

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/cda/article_print/0,1983,DRMN_15_5230636_ARTICLE-DETAIL-PRINT,00.html



I believe Phoenix, Arizona has seen the greatest population increases but since I'm too lazy to dig up statistics regarding Florida,:

Phoenix as a city is growing by leaps and bounds. On a state by state basis, Texas and Florida are #1 and #2. California is #3 in overall numeric growth. Texas and Florida are attracting both international and domestic migrants. California is attracting international migrants, but is losing domestic migrants, otherwise, California's growth would be considerably higher. California's current growth by % is the same (sorry silverlake :)) as most midwestern states.


you can't deny the fact the snow-belt and rust-belt has been losing population to the Western and Southern states for the last two decades. This has been a continuing trend that is factual.



Yes, the West was wide open and attracted millions from east of the Mississippi for some 50 years. Today, the West is still wide open and place such as Arizona, Nevada are attracting millions. California is a gateway state that attracts millions of international migrants.
The new trend is the South. Texas, Georgia and of course Florida are attracting millions from the Midwest, West, and Northeast.

http://www.census.gov/popest/gallery/maps/StEst_2006_4up_2.jpg


http://www.charlotte.com/multimedia/charlotte/KRT_packages/archive/misc/1222census.gif

Hecago
January 3rd, 2007, 12:56 PM
future_trance011, you just got chicagogeorge'd badly. And SILVERLAKE, stop acting like an asshole.

klamedia
January 3rd, 2007, 08:41 PM
future_trance011, you just got chicagogeorge'd badly. And SILVERLAKE, stop acting like an asshole.


This is not a fucking competition. "Chicagogeorge" made some valid points as he always does in a respectable way. "Futuretrance" statements were coherent and articulated well indeed. But always leave it to a Chicago forumer to run up in here and say some dumb shit. The middle child complex strikes again!

chicagogeorge
January 3rd, 2007, 10:15 PM
^^

Klamedia,

I don't think it's that. Silverlakes stupid snide remarks are becoming too much for people to handle (including myself). Because of his consistent condescending comments of other regions (particularly the midwest),you have others posting inflammatory comments here in the L.A. forum as well. His post have become the laughing stock of ssc.

Why can't he just praise his home without putting down others? Where do his insecurities come from?

The article was an enjoyable read, that bore witness to the draw of California for over 5 decades.

Fern~Fern*
January 4th, 2007, 03:29 AM
^^ I can't believe you let Silver get under your nails. I thought you were better than that George?

chicagogeorge
January 4th, 2007, 03:35 AM
^^ I can't believe you let Silver get under your nails. I thought you were better than that George?

I blame the Kettle One. I had a few drinks when I saw his post last night.....:cheers: :cheers: :cheers: I'm having a couple right now...:cheers:

But seriously, it is getting a bit hard just trying to ignore his remarks.

Fern~Fern*
January 4th, 2007, 05:54 AM
^^ George just enjoy your drinks and simple laugh it up..... cheers*

edsg25
January 4th, 2007, 08:02 AM
1. There is no LA-Chicago rivalry other than on this board; they're both great cities and most Angelenos and Chicagoans knows that.

2. LA is great.

3. Silverlake is incredibly funny

4. And i've been enjoying it all in 50 degree sunshine in Chicago most of December and January

Let's all get mellow: if Silverlake really needs to praise LA the way he does to assure himself it really is worthy, so be it. Happily most Angelenos know Los Angeles is just fine, that other cities like Chicago are, too, and avoid this nonsense.

If it makes SL happy to think the rest of us are unhappy about where we live and that life is nothing but difficult forus, let him.

SILVERLAKE
January 5th, 2007, 03:13 AM
Yeah when I say LA is an incredibly elite, affluent and alpha society unlike anywhere else in size and scale but Manhattan it is "outrageous"

But when Kenneth Starr says it is "informative"

California will always draw the best brightest most creative and the biggest risk takers from around the nation and world!!!!!!! Life here is too sweet.

THE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO LIVE SOMEWHERE WHERE THEY CAN HAVE A BIG HOUSE FOR 200K DON"T BELONG ON THE COAST OF CA! IF THEY APPRECIATE THAT OVER THE AMAZING BEAUTY AND UNMATCHED CULTURAL ATTRIBUTES OF LA and SF THEN LET THEM MOVE THEY BELONG IN LAWERNCE KA.


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