Panorama [CityPlace] | U/C | 24 st | ??? m | Downtown

[partybits]

Wow I have'nt posted in awhile!
Anyways, just saw in the condo guide a preview for the lates CityPlace condo called "Panorama". Does anyone have information on this yet (height, floors, renderings, etc)?

[Waterloo_Guy]

I'm wondering if it is Signature????

[Waterloo_Guy]

BTW, the park will be called Central Park (how creative) and will be 8 acres.

[Jaye101]

Oh god, is it really going to be called Central Park?

[Filip]

Woot! We're really creating a mini NYC down south of Union! First Telus, then the faux-Battery Park and now Central Park! Yay!!!!

[Canadian Chocho]

BTW, the park will be called Central Park (how creative) and will be 8 acres.

Even "City Park" is a better name. Where is it going to be located??

[phunky]

Central Park? How unoriginal is that?

As for Panorama... it's probably not signature. I would assum Signature would be the last building to go onsale out of all of them. I could be wrong of course though.

[Mike in TO]

Preliminary details are a tower of about 25-28 floors with a 8 floor podium located off the main construction site south of the Gardiner east of Bathurst by Lakeshore.

[Marcanadian]

I don't think it is even part of Cityplace is it?

[phunky]

Panorama doesn't sound like a "Cityplace" name when you look at the names of their other buildings.

[Waterloo_Guy]

I'm so confused. There are so many buildings going in this general area I've lost track. Someone should do a list of them so we can keep track.

[yyzer]

Interesting, the ad, and the rendering are implying something Tall....

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i165/whistlerinToronto/Panorama.jpg

and check out the website (just online, sound may not be working yet)

http://www.cityplace.ca/panorama/

[Waterloo_Guy]

Thanks, yyzer. So this IS part of Cityplace! Based on what I'm seeing, I think this could very well be Signature.

[Tuscani01]

I think this could very well be Signature.

That was the first thing I thought when I saw the rendering.

[valantino]

nope - don't think so

[phunky]

neat it's going to have direct entrance to your unit from the elevator. so I guess it will be one unit per floor? or double door elevators...

i don't think it's necessarily going to be that tall, just it's going to be in a good location for a "panorama" of the city.

[KGB]

hmmm...here's my take on this teaser....

I think these are "penthouse" units, and I think they are for Signature. I think they are simply doing a bit of reverse marketing, by promoting the most spectacular part of the building...the penthouses, first...creating a buzz for the building, which will then sell the "regular" units even faster.

I don't think this could be a "smaller" building, as there really is no site at Cityplace where such a small building would go. Direct elevator access would imply maybe two suites per floor (could be more if you got creative with layouts), but generally speaking, the building would have small floorplates.

They are also implying this is tall..."unobstructed views"..."own the sky"...this aint going to happen in a twenty-something storey building at Cityplace. This is only going to happen at the top of the tallest building in the development...probably a re-designed Signature with some kind of "penthouse pod" at the top.





KGB

[urban 2.0]

I agree with KGB - and looking at the teaser on the website this is clearly the signature. A picture of a tower - that peeks through the clouds?! All of their other ads for the other towers show how urban the structures are - ie Luna the drawing shows how close it is to Skydome and the CN Tower.

And it doesn't hurt any future towers - they get buyers in who will balk at the prices and be sold units in their harder to sell towers.

Maybe it's going to be curvy - aka - the miss. tower.

Anyone know the release date?

[KGB]

And maybe it's just my wild imagination, but I think the logo gives a clue.

Look at the "O" in Panorama....it is the same shape as the "part" of the building in that rendering. Now look at the two intersecting rounded triangular white lines around it....maybe they are just mindless bits of graphic detail...or maybe they represent the larger base of the building, and the "O" represents the smaller "penthouse pod" at the tapered top of the building.

I think they figure the old design has simply been left behind the curve in the GTA's condo design wars....I don't think they want to play second fiddle to the Absolute towers in Mississauga...I think they are out to impress....and the old Signature design really doesn't cut it as it was, even if it was fairly tall.





KGB

[neilio]

im also agreeing that this could very well be signature, wouldnt make sense if it wasnt! I cant wait till they release all the info and designs. All the little bits of evidence seem to say that is is signature..or should i say Panorma? lol
whatever the design is im hoping its something beautifull and unique but not over done or tacky...im betting we will all love it anyway :P

[davidmillerismyboss]

Yeah and it's peaking above the "rim" of the open skydome (oops rogers centre.) This reminds me of their spectrum towers in vancouver--use of colour perhaps? A call to the sales centre would surely confirm what location this dubai-style weirdness is destined for. I wonder who their architect is.

[Waterloo_Guy]

The architecture looks quite impressive. I realize this render leaves a lot to the imagination, but I get the impression that Sig.... I mean Panorama will stand out as an interesting looking building.

[valantino]

oops

[valantino]

Views and height are a major component of every marketing pitch


I'll side with UrbanToronto and say its the tower on the NE corner of Lake Shore & Bathurst

[ratoronto]

wonderful, exciting news.

[elliot]

It's at the corner of Bathurst and Lakeshore. Speculation is fun but a call to the sales centre always seems more useful. ;-)

[valantino]

^^BTW, I made the same phone call before I posted ;)

[rbt]

It's at the corner of Bathurst and Lake Shore.
That doesn't make sense to me and sounds like a bad approximation

http://www.urbandb.com/canada/ontario/toronto/cityplacewest_it002.pdf

I'll place my bets on it being Block 26W or Block 29. They're the next in line, have zoning approvals in place for towers, arguably closer to Bathurst than Spadina, and connects to Lake Shore via Dan Leckie Way making it Bathurst and Lake Shore. Luna is approximately at Front and Spadina depending on the sales person you ask.

[Waterloo_Guy]

This doesn't make sense.

[KGB]

It can't be Bathurst and Lakeshore...that land is owned by Wittington. They also own Blocks 33 and 37 of the Railway Lands (north of the Gardiner south of Fort York Blvd)...and the city owns the blocks north of Fort York Blvd.

The only land Concord has is the land East of Dan Leckie Way and north of Fort York Blvd. And I don't see how this location fits the description at all of what the vague marketing for Panorama suggests. The building is low and I don't see much "unobstructed" views, given this will be a shrimpy building surrounded by taller buildings.

I also don't see this as the prime spot in their development to market super-luxury condos with private elevators and such...it is actually the least desireble spot in the whole development to be marketing their most high-end units, considering the city owns the land right next to it, and will pronaly fill it with affordable housing and probably some assisted housing.

Just doesn't work for me....maybe they are just being very liberal in their marketing pitch...but a little too much to sound right.





KGB

[Waterloo_Guy]

Something just isn't adding up.

[valantino]

the lake side views wil be unobstructed

wittington has either sold the property or partnered with Concord to develop it this past summer

[elliot]

It's just east of Wittington/Loblaws. Geez. Never generalize or assume that people know what's actually happening at the zoning/approval level. Just east.

A little to the east.

[phunky]

i knew it wasn't signature :)

i don't think we'll see signature go onsale this year at all.

[thryve]

I love mysteries... this is exciting. Yet hair-raising because we don't want something awkward and un-Toronto in our skyline. Yet... something unique and different could be really cool.

Je suis excite!

[KGB]

It's just east of Wittington/Loblaws


You mean that little chunk of land where the gardiner and Lakeshor part?

Yea...that's a real attractive location. I can't see anybody forking over good money to live in that shiity spot. And it would have to fairly elevated just to get above the Gardiner (look for elevated parking...maybe that's why they get private garages). Can you imagine the noise, surrounded by the Gardiner on one side and Lakeshore on the other???

If you are sure, than you're sure I guess...but it still doesn't make much sense to me.




KGB

[rbt]

It's just east of Wittington/Loblaws.

I simply don't believe the sales agent in this case. I've known enough of them personally (outside of purchases) to realize that when they don't know an answer, they'll make something up because 1) they're not legally responsible for what they say, 2) most people forget, and 3) it makes them look knowledgeable and helpful at the time.

If you told me you were in contact with the architect, finance folks, etc. then I would believe you. I know too much about how the front desk and sales agents run in these things to believe them about any project they cannot earn an immediate commission on, and even then I assume it's exaggerated or tailored to fit my profile.

[elliot]

http://www.upside-down.ca/2007/block9-10.jpg

Block 9-10 of the Ft. York neighbourhood. Warehouse is Block 8.

[KGB]

Is it confirmed that Wittington has sold Block 9/10 to Concord, or entered into some kind of partnership with them to develop it?

Also, I find this odd they would market this as part of Cityplace, when it really isn't.





KGB

[thryve]

This is even more interesting, if that is the location. I look forward to this one! If they do tear down the Gardiner, this would look quite awkward... haha.

How can we find out if Concord Adex owns this plot of land?

[phunky]

they're not gonna tear anything down. as if the city would allow them to do that for a condo... they're gonna build beside it and under it. a portion will be under it.

[Waterloo_Guy]

That's where I want to live--under the Gardiner...like a homeless person.

[phunky]

That's where I want to live--under the Gardiner...like a homeless person.

i doubt it will be a living area lol. maybe just a portion of the lobby area. or some extension of the building for parking or something.
OR maybe it is an overhang that goes overtop of the gardiner about 20 feet or so above it.

[Jaye101]

It would be cool to have a tall building there.

[Tuscani01]

i doubt it will be a living area lol. maybe just a portion of the lobby area. or some extension of the building for parking or something.
OR maybe it is an overhang that goes overtop of the gardiner about 20 feet or so above it.

Or retail. It would create a nice streetwall under the Gardiner, which would take away some of the feeling that it acts as a barrier to the waterfront.

[Canadian Chocho]

Maybe we can make the gardiner a normal road:

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/4303/gardinerjv3.png (http://imageshack.us)

[Tuscani01]

Maybe we can make the gardiner a normal road:

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/4303/gardinerjv3.png (http://imageshack.us)

That would actually be pretty... interesting. No need to tunnel for a subway. We can build it under the road.

[thryve]

they're not gonna tear anything down. as if the city would allow them to do that for a condo... they're gonna build beside it and under it. a portion will be under it.

I never said they'd even consider tearing it down for a condo. I said, in the future if they take down the Gardiner, it will look weird because if this condo's squished-in location.

[valantino]

100% confirmed .. no

neither do I have time to visit the land registry office

[thryve]

Maybe we can make the gardiner a normal road:

Even though they didn't even leave enough room for shoulders/ break-down lanes ;) haha

[samsonyuen]

What a mystery. I'll be interested to find out which site this is.

[Martinsizon]

According to Condolife magazine:
Location: Lakeshore Blvd. & Bathurst Street and will be 25 stories rising from a 6 level podium

[thryve]

^^ so 25 + 6 = 31? Or 25?

[Martinsizon]

Iwas confused about that too but i am guessing 31:
http://www.condolifemag.com/showcases/panorama_feb07.pdf

[phunky]

that would be 31.

[valantino]

25

[Marcanadian]

From Interchange 42 of UT.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/149/389705900_49a8e99e9c_o.jpg

[Filip]

My humidifier looks like that.. and I'm not even kidding.

[Waterloo_Guy]

Will it play Nintendo and Sony games?

[Epi]

My humidifier looks like that.. and I'm not even kidding.

I got one like that too!!!

First laundry baskets, now humidifier...

[InTheBeach]

Will it play Nintendo and Sony games?

And ColecoVision (how many of you punks know that one - ha, I remember Pong).

[urban 2.0]

My prediction is that it will have greenish/blue windows and have a concrete look to it.

[Marcanadian]

I think it will look very similar to Metro Hall.

[Edge1]

And ColecoVision (how many of you punks know that one - ha, I remember Pong).

I was quite fond of Zaxxon and Venture on Coleco back in the day.

[g2fl]

If anyone is interested I have stumbled across the floor plans for this building.

http://convurgency.com/panorama/PanoramaTowerFloorPlan.pdf

[thryve]

Well it definitely has nice long balconies. In case you feel like pacing back and forth on your balcony. ;)

I am sure the views will be pretty nice, actually.

[officedweller]

Thanks!
That standalone fridge placement sure creates a lot of wasted space.
Why not have the fridge door swing out into the galley aisle rather than reserving space just for the dfridge door to open. That could be more cabinet/counter space!

[Jackhammer]

And ColecoVision (how many of you punks know that one - ha, I remember Pong).
Colecovision, hell I have an Intellivision that still works (circa 1979). My 3 year old loves it.

[Tuscani01]

Colecovision, hell I have an Intellivision that still works (circa 1979). My 3 year old loves it.

lmao! I still have one of those too, but for some reason only the sound is working. There is no picture:(

[spasongs]

There is a rendering for the buliding on a sign down on Fleet street, by the concrete factory.

[Marcanadian]

They have a Panorama billboard on Lakeshore. Posted by interchange42 over at UT.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/162/414365784_71f0ccf278_o.jpg

Looks pretty decent.

[thryve]

It's great! Something different for once... and it's actually a really sexy design!

[Tuscani01]

pretty sexy

[phunky]

WOW! I like it! It's height is good too.

[willy789]

its nice to see it with the shape...getting away form the boxyness of the TO skyline! (Y)

[Waterloo_Guy]

I approve.

[InTheBeach]

I hate Cityplace...

[InTheBeach]

...but that render looks pretty cool.

[InTheBeach]

On second thought, the font sucks.

[thryve]

^^ spam.

[neggbird]

^^ spam.
It's just a train of thought.

[Filip]

Oooooh I like! Btw if font is what you like, there's this awesome MetroTransportation poster at Kipling Station.. Judging from the font I'm pretty sure it's from the late 80's, early 90's.

[Regan4000]

It is nice and fresh, but I thought there were rumours that it was going to be a super tall. Is that old news?

[Wrk_InProgress]

It is nice and fresh, but I thought there were rumours that it was going to be a super tall. Is that old news?

You might be confusing the "Signature" tower with this one.

Signature is supposed to be the 60 or so storey building within Cityplace and the last Cityplace tower to be built.

I was under the impression that this building (Panorama) is not part of the Cityplace development but just another Concord-Adex development near "Cityplace".

[thryve]

^^ Well, it's split off from the Cityplace property. But they are marketing it as part of Cityplace, which makes alot of sense.

[samsonyuen]

It's nice, but wouldn't it add to the obstacles of dismantling the Gardiner (because it's so close to it?). What would the 6-storey podium be marketed as?

[Jaye101]

http://www.upside-down.ca/2007/block9-10.jpg

Block 9-10 of the Ft. York neighbourhood. Warehouse is Block 8.

So this is the location, correct?

[Waterloo_Guy]

It's nice, but wouldn't it add to the obstacles of dismantling the Gardiner (because it's so close to it?). What would the 6-storey podium be marketed as?

The proposal for the Gardiner is to only remove a section, not the whole thing. I'm not sure if Panorama is even within the proposed kill zone.

[urban 2.0]

So this is the location, correct?

... no. I thats the Loblaws warehouse proposal - the building that currently is the foodbank - that Loblaws wants to tear down and build a superstore.

[partybits]

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[current]

According to the Toronto Star Panorama will begin construction this summer:

PANORAMA: East of Bathurst St., on Lake Shore Blvd. Builder: Concord Adex Developments. A 24-storey, 33-unit glass building. Prices: from $197,100 for 550 sq. ft. to $1.2 million for 1,718 sq. ft. Fees: 43 cent per sq. ft., plus hydro. Amenities include: 24-hour concierge. Sales: 80 per cent sold. Status: construction to start this summer. Occupancy: September 2009. Sales centre: 23 Spadina Ave., just south of Front St., 416-813-0999; cityplace.ca.

Luna will also start construction this summer:

LUNA: Northwest corner of Bremner Blvd. and Spadina Ave. Builder: Concord Adex Developments. An 18-storey glass and steel building with two eight-storey wings and about 320 units in total. A 38-storey glass and steel building with about 320 units. Prices: from $259,800 for 745 sq. ft. to $459,000 for 1,128 sq. ft. Fees: 44 cent per sq. ft., plus hydro. Amenities include: 24-hour concierge, outdoor pool. Sales: 80 per cent sold. Status: construction to start this summer. Occupancy: November 2008. Sales centre: 23 Spadina Ave., just south of Front St., 416-813-0999; cityplace.ca.

http://www.thestar.com/living/article/219253

[Filip]

How do they do it? Oh my God...

[phunky]

I wonder why Panorama is going to take so much longer than Luna?

[taal]

I don't think the construction status they sited is up to date. As far as I'm aware LUNA is already under construction - not positive though.

[VikkyD]

Occupancy: November 2008

yeah.... thats happening...

excited to see them get started though!

[current]

Maybe it is because the Luna site is already excavated and ready for construction to begin. While the Panorama site will need to be excavated before construction can begin.

[valantino]

demolition on the laboratory has begun

[current]

The laboratory has been demolished and drilling equipment is on site.

[current]

Photo taken today January 11. Site preparation is continuing with more heavy equipment on site.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2273/2186724630_065dae2c06_b.jpg

[current]

Photos taken February 9 looking east with the CityPlace towers beyond the Gardiner. Excavation has begun at the Panorama site.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2136/2253165833_3209993737_b.jpg

Looking north with the 550 Wellington West cranes visible in the background.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2308/2253165839_6969093b48_b.jpg

[Canadian Chocho]

Sweet

[outinleftfield]

Doesn't that now make it U/C, rather than Approved?

[current]

April 16

The crane has been installed and they are asking for four more floors (28 storeys). Looking west with Malibu and Waterparkcity in the background.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2219/2420754193_a01a7935ab_b.jpg

From Lake Shore Blvd looking north.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3150/2420754201_98ec2ab2bb_b.jpg

Looking east.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2137/2420754203_7a138daf2f_b.jpg

The first resident has moved into the Panorama site. I did not know there was wildlife so far south of the Entertainment District.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3288/2421600556_c1cf35cfe6_b.jpg

[Taller, Better]

Oh no!! Is that Wiarton Willy? If so, we will see another six weeks of winter!!! :D

[Coral Builder]

My Wife sees this beaver on her way to work everyday from the GO Train..

[neilio]

Oh no!! Is that Wiarton Willy? If so, we will see another six weeks of winter!!! :D

hey Taller, did you know i lived in Wiarton for the first 18 years of my life? :P

I take great offence to your comparison of this average brown groundhog to our great white wonder that is wiarton willie.... i will now hunt you down and...

just joking i <3 you guys. :D

[Taller, Better]

Hey, how was I to know it is a beaver? Not like I see a lot of those things! :D

[Tuscani01]

The first resident has moved into the Panorama site. I did not know there was wildlife so far south of the Entertainment District.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3288/2421600556_c1cf35cfe6_b.jpg

Awww poor beaver. The first and only thing expropriated from the site. I wonder how much compensation hes getting from the city.

[Skybean]

It's not a beaver. It's a groundhog and they're annoying beyond comprehension when they dig a hole in your yard and hide inside their burrows. Almost impossible to remove and they wreck havoc to your yard once they start pumping out baby furry monsters.

Just caught one in my yard today... and it took 3 days of baiting. Never had one in over 15 years of living in my current residence. Wonder where they all came from.

[yin_yang]

i will teach you the wonders of a water hose...solves the problem quite well. mix in some detergeant with it, and just cover up the the hole. not even any need to dig a grave

:P

[Skybean]

i will teach you the wonders of a water hose...solves the problem quite well. mix in some detergeant with it, and just cover up the the hole. not even any need to dig a grave

:P

I've thought of this, but upon conducting some research on the matter, it seems like these buggers tend to have an alternate escape hole in addition to the main one is that visible. Although I haven't had any luck locating any secondary hole. Any one know if it's possible to buy gas grenades? I wish I could just slide a high explosive in there, but it's right next to the foundation of the house.

[Taller, Better]

Yes, the high explosives definitely sound too much like Bugs Bunny shows! :)

[InTheBeach]

My Wife sees this beaver on her way to work everyday from the GO Train..

Another passenger's beaver?

[InTheBeach]

I've thought of this, but upon conducting some research on the matter, it seems like these buggers tend to have an alternate escape hole in addition to the main one is that visible. Although I haven't had any luck locating any secondary hole. Any one know if it's possible to buy gas grenades? I wish I could just slide a high explosive in there, but it's right next to the foundation of the house.

Ever seen Caddyshack?

[InTheBeach]

I just realized that Panorama and Parade are different projects. Man, too many mushrooms popping up over there.

But hey, I know a beaver when I see one.

[InTheBeach]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3288/2421600556_c1cf35cfe6_b.jpg

NICE BEAVER!

[Taller, Better]

Ever seen Caddyshack?

A magnificent cinematic event, if ever there was one. Ranks up there with the likes of one of my faves.. Groundhog Day!! :banana:

[current]

September 15

Panorama is at ground level. The groundhog has been evicted and his home demolished to make room for a trailer.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3074/2861904842_9c9bf1f51e_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3231/2861904864_478821394d_b.jpg

[OEincorparated]

Still a longs way to go but aleast there's progress :cheers:.

[InTheBeach]

Nice Beaver!

(Naked Gun - in case anyone missed it the first time)

[Taller, Better]

Who could forget that scene? Priscilla Presley.

[current]

November 9

They are working on the second storey, looking northwest with Malibu on the left.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3271/3017568148_e099537e3b_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3206/3017568172_456116bcc4_b.jpg

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