Bilbao supersur Autopista

[AdemA]

Thats the new Highway:

Big photo by BPT:

http://img278.imageshack.us/img278/5900/variantesurmetropolitantc3.jpg

Satelite drawings:

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/1296/esca015bm.jpghttp://img143.imageshack.us/img143/2170/esca029dy.jpg

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/3575/esca030uv.jpghttp://img143.imageshack.us/img143/5789/esca041rr.jpg

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/9648/esca051xl.jpg

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/1809/esca061jp.jpg

Some more renders...

Desde Galdakao direccion Muskiz

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/4420/019cu.jpg

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/3936/023xz.jpg

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/2199/033qp.jpg

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http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/7258/050kq.jpg

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/5297/064on.jpg

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/4544/076el.jpg

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/9284/080bv.jpg

Sobrevolando la Supersur, desde Muskiz hasta Galdakao:

Ampliacion del puente de La Arena, A8:

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/9140/091tx.jpg

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/2351/101bi.jpg

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/3811/114mg.jpg

Enlace Puerto Bilbao

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/989/127yc.jpg

Enlace Santurtzi-Eje del Ballonti

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/9172/139th.jpg

Enlace Portugalete

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/1403/140mv1.jpg

Desdoblamiento A8-Supersur (Fase1) y union con Fase 3

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/2630/159cd1.jpg

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/3578/163ga.jpg

Pasando por El Regato

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/1843/170mx.jpg

Conexion con Corredor del Cadagua

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/1752/187hp.jpg

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/9125/1829cx.jpg

Peñascal, entrada al centro de Bilbao por La Peña

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/6349/190qr.jpg

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/8462/205kg.jpg

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Ampliacion de la A8 y conexion con A68

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/6798/227jb.jpg

Arrigorriaga

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/7088/237sz.jpg

Hacia Galdakao y Erletxe conexion con A8 y Corredor del Txorierri

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/3263/241lx.jpg

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/247/254yf.jpg

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/5112/267qs.jpg

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/7231/275sa.jpg

Y desde aqui, hacia durango:D

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[Nephasto]

Those aerial views are very beautifull but much more dificult to understund than a simple map.

I still don't have it clear the conexions between the supersur and other freeways like the AP-68 or A8.

For example, will it be possible to enter the supersur in the direction of Galdakao for those who come from the AP-68(from the south)?


Anyway, it looks like a great project! :okay:

[BPT]

. . .
I still don't have it clear the conexions between the supersur and other freeways like the AP-68 or A8.

For example, will it be possible to enter the supersur in the direction of Galdakao for those who come from the AP-68(from the south)?
. . .


It won't be possible. You must use the AP1 highway betwen Vitoria and Eibar to go to France :D

Next week I'll have the proyect in my hands and will post some images and plains in the Eusko. See you there.

[Nephasto]

It won't be possible. You must use the AP1 highway betwen Vitoria and Eibar to go to France :D

They really don't want to make a decent conexion between the AP-68 and the A-8 in that direction. Hehe! :)
Anyway, I'm looking forward to the opening of the AP-1, as it will certanly be the best route to leave our peninsula. ;)



Next week I'll have the proyect in my hands and will post some images and plains in the Eusko. See you there.

:okay:

[grijix]

It is a colossal engineering work with a cost circa € 25,000 per metre, a succession of tunnels and bridges that will blow the driver away, a wonderful 36 Km .... a last minute solution for a long foreseen problem I'm afraid .....

[juanico]

indeed really impressive!

[ChrisZwolle]

Is this new Autopista replacing the current A8?

[Bori427]

This project looks amazing,when does construction start/end?

[Nephasto]

Is this new Autopista replacing the current A8?

It is made to relieve the A8 from the heavy traffic it handles, but I wouldn't call it a replacement.
A8 will continue to serve as an autopista.

[AdemA]

Works have just started!:)

[Ortziribeltz]

Renderings posted by gafoso

Viaducto de Trapagaran
Tramo principal:
Longitud: 670 m
Ancho de tablero: 35.60 m
Luces: 95.60 - 125 - 125 - 125 - 125 - 80 m

Ramales:
Luces:
56.60 -79.15 -59.25 m
38.00 - 77.00 - 52.00 - 60.00 m
42.00 - 56.40 - 50.00 - 45.40 - 62.20 m
54.80 - 61.10 m

http://www.eipsa.net/documentos/imagenes/424.jpg

http://www.eipsa.net/documentos/imagenes/425.jpg

http://www.eipsa.net/documentos/imagenes/428.jpg

http://www.eipsa.net/documentos/imagenes/426.jpg

El viaducto en cuestión:
http://www.eipsa.net/documentos/imagenes/422.jpg

http://www.eipsa.net/documentos/imagenes/423.jpg

http://www.eipsa.net/documentos/imagenes/421.jpg

Resultado:
http://www.eipsa.net/documentos/imagenes/427.jpg

:)

[ChrisZwolle]

Massive. But Bilbao is quite large, and it's the only east-west connection in the region.

[AdemA]

^^Apart from the A8 and the highways of the north of the city:

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/4113/supersurvq1.jpg

[ChrisZwolle]

I meant the A-8, but i don't quite get the project, is it a completely new project or an upgrade from the existing A-8 Autovía?

[Nephasto]

^^Completelly new.
Runs more or less paralel to the A8.
I've searched for a good and clear map of it but I couldn't find one. All this fancy renders and maps are beautifull, but they are a bit confusing.

On the map above, posted by AdemA, the new Supersur will be the yellow line.
The A8 is represented in white, as all the other roads.

[Btxr_art]

Something like this...

In red the A-8 (now used one)
In green the A-8 parts that are going to get amplify
In blue the Supersur

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Simmaniatico/Dibujo-1.jpg

[Nephasto]

^^Can you also represent the AP-68 in that map?

How is the conection between the AP-68 and the Supersur going to be?
Will it be possible to do the movement from the AP-68 to the Supersur (east)?
I ask this because nowadays it's impossible to do that on the A8 (AP-68 to A8 (east)). You have to take a normal road for 2 km's or something.

[ChrisZwolle]

Or the A-1 (N-I).

[Nephasto]

^^There's no N-I/A1 around Bilbao Chris. ;)

[ChrisZwolle]

No, but traffic to and from France can use the more to the east N-I (A-1), and the AP-1 in the future. But it's no good for local traffic.

[Btxr_art]

^^Can you also represent the AP-68 in that map?

Of course.

In red the A-8 (now used one)
In green the A-8 parts that are going to get amplify
In blue the Supersur
In brown the AP-68
In purple the road that you say that you have to take to enter from the AP-68 to the A-8

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Simmaniatico/Dibujo1-1.jpg

I have to correct that the green part between the red parts is also an extension of the "Supersur" to the port. (That is the part that we can see in the last renders). Sorry.

To the type of conection between the Supersur and the AP-68 I have no idea, sorry. Perhaps anothere forumer can tell you.

[Nephasto]

@Crhis:
Ah, ok!
Nowadays people can use N-I to go from France to Vitoria. The only problem it's that it's a substandard autovia(the Alsasua to S. Sebastian stretch).
I've already gone to France many times using the AP-68 and the A-8, via Bilbao, instead of the N-I.
But with the the oppening of the AP-1 from Vitoria to Eibar(A-8), that will no longer be needed, as the AP-1 will be shorter (even shorter than the N-I) and a very good motorway.

Thanks for the map Btxr_art! :okay:

[ChrisZwolle]

Incredible amount of tunnels by the way;

* Tunnel Arnotegi 1750m
* Tunnel Larraskitu 900m
* Tunnel Arraiz 2300m
* Tunnel Santa Agueda 2100m
* Tunnel Argalario 1850m
* Tunnel Burtozamendo 1450m
* Tunnel Bekea 860m
* Tunnel San Antón 2760m
* Tunnel Tximintxe 1100m
* Tunnel Zaballa 270m
* Tunnel Gallarta 4350m
* Tunnel Murrieta 1020m

[OettingerCroat]

^^ GREAT renderings! :eek:

[Bori427]

It's really impressive,great project,looks way too good for Bilbao imo...

[AdemA]

too good? :crazy:

[Nephasto]

:scouserd:

[Bori427]

@AdemA:What I mean is that the project looks amazing and specially since Bilbao's population ain't that high and it's roads are not so badly congested as in many other places....

[ChrisZwolle]

Bilbao metropolitan has about 1 million inhabitants. Bilbao has a lot of suburban cities.

The current A-8 in Bilbao runs through the city on high viaducts. At the same time, some apartment buildings are right beside it, that means some buildings are only a few meters from the Autovía. You also have to keep in mind the A-8 is the only throughfare within the entire region. Other east-west connections are the AP-1 and A-231 (A-12), but those are way too far to the south to form an alternative.

http://i12.tinypic.com/6tm6b03.png

This causes a lot of liveability problems in the neighborhoods, and since it's the only major road in the region, there might be a lot of congestion (i don't know for sure), because the road usually has only 2 or 3 lanes per direction, which is not very much for a city of this size.

[yoladeuche]

In addition to what Chris has stated, there might be other areas with worse congestion problems or not, that's unimportant. What does matter is that in Bilbao/Biscay, the regional government collects the taxes (personal income taxes, sales tax, corporate taxes) and what is more important, decides where and when to spend that money.

In this particular case, the province government decided to unload the A-8 from trucks and passing (non-local) traffic via a toll expressway. With a bit of luck, it won't take as much time to complete as the Big Dig :)

[Mateusz]

What would the cost of this Super Autopista ?? :D

[yoladeuche]

I don't know the exact figures, but the estimated cost is some number around 1.3e9 euros (1300 million euro), for the 35 km or so.

As an example, the cost of four stretches totalizing around 10 kms is more than 400 million euro:
http://www.deia.com/es/impresa/2007/03/14/bizkaia/herrialdeak/346745.php?despiece=1

1. Peñaskal-Larraskitu
Length: 1.687 m
Tunnels length: 1.716 m
Budget: 88.117.598 euros

2. Kadagua-Peñaskal
Length: 2.563 m
Tunnels length: 4.522 m
Budget: 111.902.919,16 euros

3. Gorostiza-Kadagua
Length: 2.575 m
Tunnels length: 3.944 m
Budget: 90.534.458,43 euros

4. Trapagaran-Gorostiza
Length: 3.444 m
Tunnels length: 4.731 m
Budget: 117.377.760,02 euros

[ChrisZwolle]

How is this project financed? Does the EU also fund this project?

[dhlennon]

You must assume EU again is paying a lot towards this, but what a good scheme. Bilbao can be a bit of a bottleneck. This is good for North Spain, and EU too.

[ChrisZwolle]

Well, it is an E-road, so it's not that funny the EU funds it too.

But in the Netherlands, we don't take advantage of being in the EU. We are a net payer, but somehow they never ask for EU funding for roads, quite strange.

[Stifler]

I think it wasn't funded by EU. I remember the Council had to get a huge loan to pay it and it will be tolled.

[ChrisZwolle]

I think it's reasonable that this road will be tolled, considering the huge amount of tunnels.

[Nephasto]

I don't know the exact figures, but the estimated cost is some number around 1.3e9 euros (1300 million euro), for the 35 km or so.

That's around 37M€/km! Quite expensive.
Probably be the most expensive motorway in Spain, isn't it?

[Stifler]

That's around 37M€/km! Quite expensive.
Probably be the most expensive motorway in Spain, isn't it?
By far I guess.

As far as I know the most expensive non-urban costs in Autovias was around 16 M€ per kilometer. Only some difficult streches like Muros-Las Dueñas in A8 or Nerja-La Herradura in A7 reached that amount of money.

Don't know exact data for urban projects like M30 because it wasn't exactly a motorway under construction.

[Nephasto]

^^I think the new Malaga west ringroad is going to cost 20 something million euros/km and I think I read it was the most expensive motorway in Spain. But Supersur certainly has that place now!

[ChrisZwolle]

You guys are so cheap.

Dutch A4 is estimated at € 100 million/km.

[lpioe]

What about the underground highways in Madrid?
Aren't they more expensive?

[AdemA]

How is this project financed? Does the EU also fund this project?

You must assume EU again is paying a lot towards this, but what a good scheme. Bilbao can be a bit of a bottleneck. This is good for North Spain, and EU too.

Well, it is an E-road, so it's not that funny the EU funds it too.

But in the Netherlands, we don't take advantage of being in the EU. We are a net payer, but somehow they never ask for EU funding for roads, quite strange.

I think it wasn't funded by EU. I remember the Council had to get a huge loan to pay it and it will be tolled.

Government of Biscay will pay this road.

[Stifler]

You guys are so cheap.

Dutch A4 is estimated at € 100 million/km.
What is it made of? Gold? :D

The most expensive non-urban strech I know here has something like 1.5km of tunnels and 2.2 km of bridges in 8km through a difficult terrain and doesn't reach 20 million/km. 100 million is something unbelievable (although the amount for Supersur is amazing as well for Spanish standards).

[Nephasto]

But that A4 stretch is urban, isn't it Chris?

[ChrisZwolle]

Nope, not at all.

[Nephasto]

^^Still, it's certainly a special stretch.

Do you have average proces for motorways today in the Netherlands (if theere are any at all being built)?

[P05]

Construction status of one of the parts of the project already under construction

Lo que creo debe ser la salida de los tuneles en el corredor del cadagua, se ve movimiento

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/p2r5/1121.jpg

[skytrax]

Wooow nice pics