Highways / Motorways in Portugal

[Paulo2004]

Roads are good, and you can reach almost all major cities with ease, either by motorway or by good, modern roads. The biggest cities are well served by modern highways (most have tolls), and you can travel the full North-South length of the country without ever leaving the highway.

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[ChrisZwolle]

Portugal's motorway network is expanded quite rapidly.

I heard the truck limit in Portugal is 100km/h, is that correct? Seems a bit strange to me.

[x-type]

Seems a bit strange to me.

why?:?

[Rebasepoiss]

why?:?
Because a lot of trucks have speed limiters set at 95km/h, maybe(I may be wrong here)?

[ChrisZwolle]

Because a lot of trucks have speed limiters set at 95km/h, maybe(I may be wrong here)?

In most countries, trucks have a speed limit of 80 or 90km/h. Dutch Trucks are limited to 87km/h technically, Spanish and French trucks can often drive 95km/h.
US trucks don't have a limit, so there are some trucks which can technically drive up to 200km/h.

[Alex Von Königsberg]

US trucks don't have a limit, so there are some trucks which can technically drive up to 200km/h.
Film "Duel" immediately comes to mind :lol:

On a serios note, I see why it makes little sense to put a limiter in an American truck. For instance, interstate-80 in Nevada is a desertous empty road that runs 640 km from California to Utah border and has a speed limit of 120 km/h for passenger cars and trucks alike. You don't want to drive there at 90 km/h, trust me ;)

[ChrisZwolle]

On a serios note, I see why it makes little sense to put a limiter in an American truck. For instance, interstate-80 in Nevada is a desertous empty road that runs 640 km from California to Utah border and has a speed limit of 120 km/h for passenger cars and trucks alike. You don't want to drive there at 90 km/h, trust me ;)

That's true. Distances in the US are huge compared to Europe. And we have strict driving times for truckers, they mostly cannot drive more than 700km/435 miles on one day.

[Alex Von Königsberg]

That's true. Distances in the US are huge compared to Europe. And we have strict driving times for truckers, they mostly cannot drive more than 700km/435 miles on one day.
There are similar regulations in the US too, and often truckers are fined for driving too long in a single day.

[Nikom]

More pcis :)

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[ADL2040]

Some portuguese motorways.

Pics taken in 2005, 2006 and 2007.



A 1/A 10 junction about 30 kms north of Lisbon.

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Bridge U/C over the river Tagus in the A 10 motorway. This is a small part (about 900 m) of the bridge. The total length is about 11,5 Km, most of it over land. Near Carregado.

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The A 2 motorway about 6 Km south of Lisbon.
These motorway links the portuguese capital with the sunny Algarve, in the south of Portugal.

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The A 6 motorway that links Lisbon to the spanish city of Badajoz. The A 6 it`s the portuguese part of the Lisbon`s - Madrid motorway. These pics were taken driving from Portugal to Spain. The last pic it´s the border between the two countrys.

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The A 8 motorway near Loures, a suburban city about 10 Km north of the portuguese capital.

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Same motorway, as seen from the historical village of Óbidos, 75 Kms north of Lisbon.

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[ChrisZwolle]

Great pics of Portugal. I haven't seen many pics from this country yet. If anyone has more, please post them!

[x-type]

people, can somebody explain what mean road numbers IP1, IP2, IP3... on Portuguese roads?

[ChrisZwolle]

people, can somebody explain what mean road numbers IP1, IP2, IP3... on Portuguese roads?

Those are intercity roads, i don't see the use of them, since they have already E-numbers and A-number (Autoestrada).

By the way, Brazil is a Portuguese speaking country, but they use another word for motorway; Rodovia.

What is the difference between Rodovia and Autoestrada?

[ADL2040]

IC 19 freeway in the outskirts of Lisbon.

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IC 17 CRIL. Lisbon´s inner ring road.

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[Verso]

Some great motorways in Portugal! :cheers:

[Paulo2004]

people, can somebody explain what mean road numbers IP1, IP2, IP3... on Portuguese roads?

They are in fact fast lane roads, some with double lane, others not.

[Paulo2004]

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[Verso]

http://static.flickr.com/65/177985736_9c81b58569_b.jpgIs this that long bridge east of Lisbon? Looks fabulous!

[Nikom]

Is this that long bridge east of Lisbon? Looks fabulous!

Not east but west :D
Yes,it's Vasco da Gama Bridge :)

[Nikom]

Near A8

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2º Circular

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[Fern]

Not east but west :D
Yes,it's Vasco da Gama Bridge :)
Not East? Have you lost your sense of direction? hehehe
It is on the eastern edge of the city. Here's a few more pictures of the bridge:

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/9467/1028997hd3.jpg

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/7363/620079iz2.jpg

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@Chris1491- I think most rodovias are narrower and do not fulfill the prerequisites to be considered motorways. Some words are also just different, same as with english and american english.
You can find more pictures of Portugal in the "Cityscapes and Skyline Photos" section.

[Verso]

^ Yes, I was having in mind this even longer and newer bridge. The Vasco da Gama Bridge is the old one, right? The one that looks like the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco? :)

[x-type]

The one that looks like the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco? :)

that's 25e de Abril

[Verso]

^^ :doh: You're right, I forgot about this name. Well, they are both fabulous! :)

[Fern]

Vasco da Gama
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25 de Abril
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/7793/13850cf5.jpg
:)

[Nikom]

Not East? Have you lost your sense of direction? hehehe

Opps,my bad :lol:

[ADL2040]

Some more pics taken today 1st march 2007.

A 8 Motorway near Malveira, 20 Kms north of Lisbon.

Leiria direction (looking north).

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Lisbon direction (looking south).

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A 9 CREL Motorway. Lisbon´s outer ring road.
This is the biggest flyover of the motorway, 1.6 Km long and 75 m high.
About 12 Km north of the portuguese capital, near the suburban city of Loures.

Looking west.

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Looking east.

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[ChrisZwolle]

That A8 looks quite old, isn't it?

[Nephasto]

^^That's because of the concrete pavement, which usually isn't used in Portugal.
I don't think it's very old, although I might be mistaken.

[Fern]

It's only about 7/8 years old but it's an American style motorway, which I hate. I think there's only three of those in Portugal.. the worst to drive on!

[x-type]

It's only about 7/8 years old but it's an American style motorway, which I hate. I think there's only three of those in Portugal.. the worst to drive on!

hehe i trust you. concrete motorways are incredibly ugly. except Austrian - they look fairly ok (i guess because all of them are concrete), but as far as I saw Austria is also changing to normal pavement (at least at A9)

[Paulo2004]

In the city of Oporto:

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Heading east (Via do Infante - Algarve)

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A10 Highway

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Others:

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[Verso]

In the city of Oporto:

A little OT: why do you sometimes say Oporto and sometimes Porto?

[Nikom]

Great pics Paulo and ADL2040 :okay:

[ADL2040]

A 9 CREL Motorway, Lisbon`s outer ring road, as seen from Montemor.

A 9 / IC 22 junction.

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The flyover in Loures, with it´s 1.6 Kms. In this pic you can`t see part of it (on the left).

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[ren0312]

hehe i trust you. concrete motorways are incredibly ugly. except Austrian - they look fairly ok (i guess because all of them are concrete), but as far as I saw Austria is also changing to normal pavement (at least at A9)

Concrete might not look as nice as asphalt, but based on my experience it lasts longer also, and is cheaper to repair, which makes it more economical to use than asphalt, especially in countries where it rains a lot.

[ADL2040]

More pics of the A 9

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That 1.6 Km flyover.

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[Alex Von Königsberg]

Nice pictures. They remind me of my 3-year-old trip to the west-most point of European continent :) By the way, on that trip I concluded that Spanish motorway signs were more efficient, and now, looking at these photos, I reaffirm myself that I was right.

[Nephasto]

^^The exit and directional signs on the freeways?

I like the Spanish signage on freeways too... the signs look well organized and nice:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v202/Nephasto/DSCN3894.jpg



But anyway, our signs are nice too. ;)



Very nice pictures ADL2040! :okay:

[ChrisZwolle]

Spanish signs organized? That's a good joke.

Just take a look:

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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/Panel-a1-km20.jpg/800px-Panel-a1-km20.jpg

http://i17.tinypic.com/2vvlu10.jpg

But on rural motorways it's okay, but near cities or important junctions; way too many road numbers and colors.

But they Madrid Motorway network ROCKS.
http://img331.imageshack.us/img331/6408/madrid1dd.png

[Nephasto]

Spanish signs organized? That's a good joke.


I was refering to those simple, usual signs, like the one I showed. ;)
What I like is those borders surrounding the distance to the exit, number of the exit and direction, so that everything is clear and in it's right place.

But in the big Spanish cities it can be confusing because there are just too many road numbers in the signs, like you refered too. ;)

[Paulo2004]

Nice photos ADL

True, Portugal's highway signs are munch more organised and clear to everyone than the ones of our neighbour Spain.

[DanielFigFoz]

True

[Paulo2004]

yeah!

[Fern]

Some pictures of the A7 which runs form Famalicão to Vila Pouca de Aguiar

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k174/jpda74/Estradas/A7/Picture003.jpg

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[Fern]

IP4 and some highways
EN212 Vila Pouca de Aguiar - Murça
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IP4 Murça - Macedo de Cavaleiros
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EN216 Macedo de Cavaleiros - Mogadouro
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EN216 Mogadouro - Freixo de Espada-à-Cinta
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[jorgen]

My observations when driving from Lisbon to Porto and back last year:
- roads are very good
- drivers are very crazy (why some drive with the turn signal on almost constantly..?)
- minimum speed limits (first time I've seen)
- toll system is weird... You pay when you EXIT the road... Keep the ticket!

:)

[Nephasto]

- drivers are very crazy (why some drive with the turn signal on almost constantly..?)

Some drivers, when they want to speed on the motorway they go to the left lane and turn the left turn signal on, indicating they want to overtake whoever is in the left lane... It's a sing for slower drivers on the left lane to go to the right lane and let the faster car pass.


- toll system is weird... You pay when you EXIT the road... Keep the ticket!

? That's how it generally works.... it's the same in Spain or France for example.

[TohrAlkimista]

? That's how it generally works.... it's the same in Spain or France for example.

also in Italy!

[DanielFigFoz]

http://img440.imageshack.us/slideshow/player.php?id=img440/7083/1174756755ejd.smil

[ChrisZwolle]

(why some drive with the turn signal on almost constantly..?)

you'll see this in France also all the time, when people overtake, they keep the turning signal constant on, all the way before they got back at the original lane.

[Verso]

^^ That irritates me!

[ChrisZwolle]

^^ That irritates me!

Yeah me too, like those French dudes are too lazy to switch off the turning signal :ohno: :ohno:

[Rebasepoiss]

^But in some countries drivers must keep their turning signal on while overtaking...

[edolen1]

Portugal has some very nice roads!

About that toll system - it's the most fair type of system - you pay as much as you drive, instead of paying a fixed amount.

[picassoborseli]

Nice freeways... :)

Kinda like them!
The asphalt and signs remind me of France... It's like a mix between Spanish roads & Franch roads there.

[ChrisZwolle]

What do you say of this:

http://upload2.net/page/download/dHdX34Cpo6QC1Sv/Portugal2.PNG.html

huge high quality viamichelin map of whole Portugal 3,4 MB

[DanielFigFoz]

What do you say of this:

http://upload2.net/page/download/dHdX34Cpo6QC1Sv/Portugal2.PNG.html

huge high quality viamichelin map of whole Portugal 3,4 MB

Found a mistake: South of Aveiro it isn't the A29 but the A17

[mako22]

Damn, roads in Portugal seem to be in excellent condition.

[Nephasto]

Found a mistake: South of Aveiro it isn't the A29 but the A17

In the 2007 version, that's corrected.
You can see in in www.viamichelin.com... but the 2007 version is only availible in the 1cm=4km scale... not in the 1cm=10km which is depicted in the map Chris1491 showed.

[ChrisZwolle]

My map was made last year, so it can be a bit outdated.

[DanielFigFoz]

My map was made last year, so it can be a bit outdated.
Umm it's been like that for 2.

[Nephasto]

My map was made last year, so it can be a bit outdated.


It's a little error on the 2006 version.
No big deal.

[DanielFigFoz]

It's a little error on the 2006 version.
No big deal.

Yeah:lol:

[Fern]

Some more pictures taken by JohnnyMass
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k174/jpda74/Alvao-Marao/Picture467.jpg

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[Europa.]

portugal has really good looking highways... much better then i had thought

[tuga14]

Portugal has a good highways system:D it´s my country!!:D

Portugal is a surprise box and a great country:D:yes:

[Verso]

Beautiful country Portugal is.

[edolen1]

Hey, Fernie, do you have any idea which regions those roads are in?

Btw, Portugal is an enchanting country! :okay:

[tuga14]

in Northern Potugal, in the region of Beiras or Trás os Montes, I think:okay:

[Alex Von Königsberg]

Portugal is a very nice country indeed. Also, it is very different from Spain - much more different than one would expect just by looking at the map.

[Fern]

Hey, Fernie, do you have any idea which regions those roads are in?

Btw, Portugal is an enchanting country! :okay:
Mostly in Tras-os-Montes, maybe Beira Alta or Minho as well :)
Thanks for the compliment :hug:

[Fern]

Some more portuguese roads
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k174/jpda74/PN_Peneda-Geres/II/Picture390.jpg

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k174/jpda74/PN_Peneda-Geres/II/Picture393.jpg

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k174/jpda74/PN_Peneda-Geres/II/Picture303.jpg

Old dirt roads.. we do have them as well :D
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k174/jpda74/PN_Peneda-Geres/II/Picture380.jpg

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k174/jpda74/PN_Peneda-Geres/II/Picture381.jpg

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k174/jpda74/PN_Peneda-Geres/II/Picture385.jpg

[Verso]

^^ WHOA! These are some cool highways!! :colgate:

[Fern]

State-of-the-art :D

[tuga14]

fernas you are doing a very good job:okay: congrats:D

[edolen1]

Nice pics, fernie! My compliments to the photographer! :lol:

[Fern]

Thanks Tuga and Matty :) but I'm just posting them here. It's JohnnyMass who's been producing these masterpieces week after week!

[Verso]

Nice pics, fernieThanks Mattyhttp://g.idnes.cz/u/disk/vomit-smile.gif :lol:

[Fern]

Are u alright Verso? U seem a little sick.. stomachache? :D

[Verso]

^^ As long as I can laugh (:lol:), I'm ok. :D


- Versie :rofl:

[Paulo2004]

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/183/455613444_0e6f1801c3_b.jpg

[edolen1]

From personal experience, Portuguese tunnels are extremely unsafe. It was the first time in my life that I saw overtaking allowed inside a two-way, one-tube tunnel.. :eek:

[Fern]

I never saw that in my life and I've driven around in Portugal quite a lot :D
Where was that and are you sure the overtaking was done using the oncoming traffic lane?

[Petronius]

for some reason I can never find a road map of portugal that I like online. and don't give me viamichelin! that's not good!

[Nephasto]

From personal experience, Portuguese tunnels are extremely unsafe. It was the first time in my life that I saw overtaking allowed inside a two-way, one-tube tunnel.. :eek:

I've never seen something like that in my holle life. And I live in Portugal. :D
You've got to be mistaken.

And the tunnel photo that Paulo2004 posted is from a motorway. Maybe a tunnel in the A-23...

[Petronius]

^^ WRONG! TRIIIM!


é o Túnel de Ceuta bem no coração do Porto!!!! Não sei ocmo não reconheceste! Só tem um sentido!


Paulo's pic shows a car tunnel right at the heart of Porto . It's one way only!

[Nephasto]

^^Ceuta's tunnel? What is that blue km marker doing there then?

[Nephasto]

Oh... and another thing... this is an international forum Petronius, so please respect the others and speak in english... because portuguese in here is WRONG!!!!!! TRIIIM!!!!!!!

[Fern]

Hey guys come on, there's no need for this... :P
I think Nephasto is right though it must be a motorway and this tunned is one way. There's another tunned parallel to this one for traffic going the other way, that's what must have confused you Edolen! :)

[Petronius]

Oh... and another thing... this is an international forum Petronius, so please respect the others and speak in english... because portuguese in here is WRONG!!!!!! TRIIIM!!!!!!!


HEL-LOOO-HOOO!! TRIIIIM! The English translation is right beneath it.... TRRIIIIIM

[Paulo2004]

It's one of the A23 tunnels. :)

[Paulo2004]

A5

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/104/301059418_27755ab96b_b.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/99/301059420_61927d66a0_b.jpg

Road in Almeida:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/117/314860426_e508a75a54_b.jpg

Via do Infante (Algarve)

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/134/319019464_7b497bb854_o.jpg

A25 - Aveiro - Vilar Formoso

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/143/362569763_a02e6cb967_o.jpg

One of the roads that takes you to Loriga, Vide and Covilhâ

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/182/413547768_b1703e1572_b.jpg

Highway between Ribeira de Pena and Vila Pouca de Aguiar

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/69/201623270_cb371a23fa_o.jpg

Others:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/188/377053745_2bfd0e4a46_b.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/150/428098047_4bcac85afd_b.jpg

[Nephasto]

It's one of the A23 tunnels. :)


:D

Well well... apparently, I was the one who had it right in the first place Petronius. ;)

Time for you to re-think your triiiins, you're the one who need to be more aware.

:cheers:

[DanielFigFoz]

From personal experience, Portuguese tunnels are extremely unsafe. It was the first time in my life that I saw overtaking allowed inside a two-way, one-tube tunnel.. :eek:

OF course i've seen a car overtake a Ambulance with the bule lights an a sirene on...

[edolen1]

It was on Madeira. :)

[Nikom]

Freeway in Lisbon :)

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/365/315083582fb132db866bfi7.jpg

[DanielFigFoz]

http://img455.imageshack.us/img455/9303/ohnotooportugeseak5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

...

[ChrisZwolle]

that acces lane is VERY short. This is really dangerous. You have to merge immediatly, or start at 0 kph when entering the freeway. This is extremely dangerous.

And what about the size of the sign?

[Nephasto]

^^He was just using the sign's size to serve as comparisson to the access lane length.

That access lane is indeed very short, but that is understandable, taken into account that it's an urban motorway...

The other fact that mentioned was that there were shared acceleracion/decelaration lanes merged into one. Well, if it's long enough, that's not a problem, unless it's heavilly used. If it's short or heavilly used, than it's not the best solution.


PS: By the way, which urban freeway is that?

[Verso]

The other fact that mentioned was that there were shared acceleracion/decelaration lanes merged into one. Well, if it's long enough, that's not a problem, unless it's heavilly used. If it's short or heavilly used, than it's not the best solution.That's very common by urban expressways/motorways...

What I don't get by that acceleration lane, is why they just don't prolong it into the emergency lane!

[ChrisZwolle]

I would use the emergency lane for a length, turning it into an acces lane. Not having an emergency lane for a couple of hundred metres is less dangerous than not having an acces lane/merge lane. For exiting a freeway, the length is less important (unless there is a sharp bend or traffic light immediatly after it).

[Alex Von Königsberg]

That's what they do on most European motorways.

[DanielFigFoz]

that acces lane is VERY short. This is really dangerous. You have to merge immediatly, or start at 0 kph when entering the freeway. This is extremely dangerous.

And what about the size of the sign?

And I've seen worse...

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/6867/inoffmotorwayun0.png (http://imageshack.us)

Once me and my Dad were driving along and this happend to us in the Algarve EDIT : we are red

[Verso]

^^ A very common thing, really.

Vehicles are joining and going off on the same (rather short) lane:
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/1151/acobro037nu4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[ChrisZwolle]

That's why i prefer parallel lanes on busy cloverleafs. So trucks don't have to enter the motorway with 40km/h.

[Nephasto]

^^That's an improvement which is sometimes used, but it's also more expensive. ;)

But undoubtedly better, of course!

[Nikom]

PS: By the way, which urban freeway is that?

É o Eixo Norte-Sul

[Fern]

That's very common by urban expressways/motorways...

What I don't get by that acceleration lane, is why they just don't prolong it into the emergency lane!
It doesnt look like it's wide enough to me. Plus if there's an accident cars would be so close to the edge of the viaduct the chances of falling down would be dagerously high!
As far as I know there's never been accidents there. The drivers on the right hand lane are usually cruising along at lower speeds (60/70kms) and all you need is to pay careful attention when driving into the freeway.

[Paulo2004]

http://inlinethumb11.webshots.com/4618/1409543005075195960S600x600Q85.jpg (http://outdoors.webshots.com/photo/1409543005075195960ZTrSHW)

[Nephasto]

^^That photo was taken on N-14, some 300 m from my house. :D

[Paulo2004]

http://static.flickr.com/36/111080697_f63b915fc0_o.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/Paulo_2004/HPIM1205.jpg

[Paulo2004]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/Paulo_2004/95ab.jpg

[Paulo2004]

http://img.groundspeak.com/waymarking/1ba6294d-e349-4f38-9b12-a936b84c93b0.jpg

[Fern]

A2 toll plaza (Algarve) designed by Aires Mateus

http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/7434/15091nd1.jpg

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/5308/img1mco2.jpg

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/1750/1517700544zx4.jpg

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/5646/196619949ss0.jpg

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/3674/1003887054yk5.jpg

[edolen1]

Wow, fancy!

[Paulo2004]

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/180/476058800_bbf662e740_b.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/183/476070281_47760b4e58_b.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/195/476062598_afdf79b226_b.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/171/476075459_a8096b0653_b.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/186/474746390_198028a93c_b.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/197/474402430_367c5edb80_b.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/213/474414227_ec3fc55053_b.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/206/474758085_97cc79261e_b.jpg

[edolen1]

Exactly where in Lisbon is this?

Looks awesome! :okay:

[Alex Von Königsberg]

Those variable electronic traffic signs look so sharp! :okay:

[Fern]

Exactly where in Lisbon is this?
Amoreiras, you can see the buildings on the 5th picture though you probably wouldn't recognise them.. :)

[ChrisZwolle]

a 50 limit in the whole tunnel? Looks very slow. 70 would be better.

[Nephasto]

^^It's a city tunnel. And it's not a freeway.
So, the 50km/h doesn't seem inadequate to me.

[DanielFigFoz]

YH but....

[ADL2040]

Some pics i took last friday while driving from Lisbon to Porto Alto.



In the 17,2 Km Vasco da Gama bridge.

http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/6528/pontevascodagama02fi6.jpg

http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/7561/pontevascodagama04el0.jpg

http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/1706/pontevascodagama06tc5.jpg

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/2991/pontevascodagama08gm1.jpg

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/698/pontevascodagama09mf1.jpg

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/2967/pontevascodagama12nq0.jpg

http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/3168/pontevascodagama16gj2.jpg

http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/4283/pontevascodagama17gf8.jpg


This is where the bridge ends

http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/2222/pontevascodagama18pq9.jpg


After crossing the bridge i entered the A 12 motorway.

http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/6398/a1201cs4.jpg

http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/2161/a1202ap0.jpg

http://img458.imageshack.us/img458/7431/a1203nz9.jpg

http://img458.imageshack.us/img458/396/a1204qo2.jpg

http://img458.imageshack.us/img458/492/a1206ea9.jpg

http://img458.imageshack.us/img458/3599/a1207zg3.jpg


After that i went to the IC 3 freeway, in Porto Alto direction.

http://img458.imageshack.us/img458/5473/ic301zb9.jpg

http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/4756/ic302hp0.jpg

http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/9397/ic303gc4.jpg

http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/1566/ic304ut4.jpg

http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/3632/ic305wi4.jpg

http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/7488/ic306pm8.jpg


Here the freeway ends and turns into te National road 118.

http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/9312/ic307zl5.jpg


The N 118 heading to Porto Alto.

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/9138/n11802pn2.jpg

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/897/n11803lf7.jpg

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/2082/n11804qb0.jpg


The view alongside the road.

http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/9820/n11805eg2.jpg

[ChrisZwolle]

Thanks for the pics! I'll post them on the Dutch Autosnelwegen forum (http://forum.autosnelwegen.nl) if you don't mind.

[ChrisZwolle]

I am missing some important destinations on the signs. I would add Badajoz of even Madrid for the A6 direction, instead of Évora.

[Nephasto]

^^Unfortunately, here in Portugal (same in Spain) we don't show cities from other countries in our road signs. Only the name of the countries. For example, on the A6 you will see signs indicating Spain.

Example:
The A 6 motorway that links Lisbon to the spanish city of Badajoz. The A 6 it`s the portuguese part of the Lisbon`s - Madrid motorway. These pics were taken driving from Portugal to Spain. The last pic it´s the border between the two countrys.

http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/7648/a601lj3.jpg

http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/3924/a602go8.jpg

http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/2460/a603ln4.jpg

http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/2059/a604cn4.jpg

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/7127/a605sy4.jpg

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/4412/a606hu0.jpg

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/571/a607rx6.jpg

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/7205/a608xp7.jpg

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/3242/a609oz3.jpg

[edolen1]

Under Yugoslavia we used to do the same, now we post city names. Personally, I don't mind either, but I guess for tourists it's a lot easier having a city name instead of a country name. :)

The pictures are wonderful, though! Just one thing, instead of Porto Alto, you could've gone to the Algarve, the name was even written nicely in capital letters.. :D Mmm.. Lagos.. :drool:

[Nephasto]

It's written in capital letters because Algarve is the name of a region, not of a city.

[ChrisZwolle]

Under Yugoslavia we used to do the same, now we post city names. Personally, I don't mind either, but I guess for tourists it's a lot easier having a city name instead of a country name. :)



Yeah you drive near Zagreb and see "Slovenija" or something like that. Then you don't know if that is to Maribor, Ljubljana or even Postojna! Thank god that is better know.

Portugal and Spain should to the same.

[Verso]

Breathtaking! :drool:

Oh, btw, "E01" - :cool:

It's written in capital letters because Algarve is the name of a region, not of a city.Just like "BALATON" in Hungary. :)

[edolen1]

Hehe, it catches your attention nicely though, and for a good reason, too! ;)

[Reivajar]

^^Unfortunately, here in Portugal (same in Spain) we don't show cities from other countries in our road signs. Only the name of the countries. For example, on the A6 you will see signs indicating Spain.

Example:

Well, it depends. Now, on the AP-7 you can find Perpignan as destination instead of Francia/França. And you can also find in Irún on the N-I Bordeaux on the signposts. I don't know the case of the border between Portugal and Spain.

[Nephasto]

^^Well, that's good news! :okay:

But on the portuguese border, I've allways seen signs indicating Portugal, not any portuguese city (for example on A-55 (Vigo-Portugal), A-62, or A-49 it allways indicates Portugal.

[ChrisZwolle]

Good old times; a 1998 map from the Dutch automobilist association of Portugal. Notice that there are very few Autoestradas back in the late nineties.

http://xs115.xs.to/xs115/07201/P.jpg (http://xs.to)

[Verso]

^^ Yeah, Portugal's been pretty crazy in the last decade.

[Pelha]

Monsanto - Lisbon

http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/2598/27499450974cd97df6fbku6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Campanhã - Porto

http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/9338/30047390716579d15e0bek2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

25th of April Bridge - Lisbon

http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/6848/41113804017bf08af0bbpf4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Vasco da Gama Bridge - Lisbon

http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/6786/341331125386c8eb554bys6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Vila Franca de Xira - Lisbon

http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/1770/411673019ff4eccc8afbfk2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Bombarral - Leiria

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/9840/3604110388ecb91aa1abgv2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Belém - Lisbon

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/1240/406765796fc018b1662bbp8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Verso]

^^ The bridges - :drool:!

[edolen1]

^^Yup!

Btw, about that country/city direction signs.. The city is named only on motorways and expressways and long-distance signs, otherwise if in the vicinity of the border and on a normal road, it just says the country name. For example here in Nova Gorica, it always says Italy, never Gorizia.

Okay, I'll shut up now. :)

[Fern]

Pelha I didn't know Avenida Brasília was a highway :D
Man there's no better motoring experience than driving along the marginal in a convertible (amongst a hundred others hehe).. it's so good to be back! :D

[Paulo2004]

lol

[Paulo2004]

Madeira - near airport runway

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/223/522211404_cea5face17_o.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/204/505003756_f786e52472_o.jpg

[edolen1]

Indeed impressive! :)

Madeira has a very impressive network of tunnels and viaducts!

[GENIUS LOCI]

- minimum speed limits (first time I've seen)

I think minimum speed limits were 'invented' in US, but nowadays many nations in Europe use 'em (e.g. Italy)

[DanielFigFoz]

On the Badajoz-Elvas bit of road there is a sign a exit or 2 before the border in Spain:

^
Elvas CAMPO MAIOR
Évora

[Paulo2004]

That's a fact.

[Nephasto]

The brand new free-flow toll system in the brand new A-10 motorway.
We have had a "Via Verde" system from many years now (the concept was even exported to several countries), which is a system that alows cars to go through tolls without stoping.

Well, this is it's evolution! Now "Via Verde" clients don'e even have to slow down when passing tolls.
Quite cool! :cool:

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/4485/image94ou5.jpg

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/7013/image96le7.jpg

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/5743/image98qh0.jpg

[ChrisZwolle]

What if you're a foreigner?

[Pst]

What do you need to go through tolls without stopping?

I suposse you need something inside the car, or it runs reading the (i don't know in english) "matrícula" of the car

And what happen if you go through this lane and you are not client of "Via verde"?? It seems there are not barriers

[Cicerón]

or it runs reading the (i don't know in english) "matrícula" of the car



License plate :)

[edolen1]

A very impressive system indeed! Slovenia will be installing a similar one in the following years, basically just an upgrade of the ETC systems currently in use throughout Europe, a clever one though..

But I share this concern:
And what happen if you go through this lane and you are not client of "Via verde"?? It seems there are not barriers

:)

[Fern]

There's cameras.. they will snap a photo of the car's license plate and the owner will be sued and charged a penalty.

[Nephasto]

What if you're a foreigner?

It's like anyone else who doesn't have Via Verde. You have to stop at the toll both's you can see at the right of the motorway. You exit the motorway to pay in the toll boths, and then you enter again. ;)


What do you need to go through tolls without stopping?

I suposse you need something inside the car, or it runs reading the (i don't know in english) "matrícula" of the car

And what happen if you go through this lane and you are not client of "Via verde"?? It seems there are not barriers

Yes, you have to have a small box in your glass, which is given to Via Verde clients.

There's cameras.. they will snap a photo of the car's license plate and the owner will be sued and charged a penalty.


Yup!

[edolen1]

Yeah, I guess this system is very reliable in Portugal, since the huge majority of cars on the roads have Portuguese license plates.. I'm not sure how well it would work in more central European countries where a big share of the cars have foreign license plates and would probably be very hard to fine or sue..

[ChrisZwolle]

Yeah, Portugal is kinda remote for people other than Spanish of French. There aren't a lot of people driving all the way to Portugal from further away as France.

[igorlan]

Just chacked a map of Portugal issued in 1999 - damn, you guys have made a huuuuuuge progress motorwaywise - I bet it was because of EURO 2004?

[Nephasto]

^^That's true.

I guess there are also mechanisms to fine people from another countries.

It's just like a radar.. when people are cought in radars and aren't nationals what happens?? It's the same case.


Besides, this problems exists in all the toll systems where you don't have to pay (no need to be free.flow systems), like the tradicinal Via-Verde system where cars would just pass by a special toll both lane, but without stoping, just slowing down. Systems like this exist all over Europe.

[Nephasto]

Just chacked a map of Portugal issued in 1999 - damn, you guys have made a huuuuuuge progress motorwaywise - I bet it was because of EURO 2004?


Hum, the Euro helped, but it wasn't the decisive factor.
It's just that in the recent years there has been a strong policy for building motorways.

[edolen1]

Besides, this problems exists in all the toll systems where you don't have to pay (no need to be free.flow systems), like the tradicinal Via-Verde system where cars would just pass by a special toll both lane, but without stoping, just slowing down. Systems like this exist all over Europe.

I know the system used here has barriers, cars just get on a separated lane, slow down, the sensors pick them up and by the time they reach the barrier it's open.. Of course you can't really do it at 130 km/h.. :D

Unless you'd like to remodel the front of your car for some reason.. :lol:

[Fern]

Just chacked a map of Portugal issued in 1999 - damn, you guys have made a huuuuuuge progress motorwaywise - I bet it was because of EURO 2004?
:lol:
A previous government together with specialists designed a motorway plan a while ago and since then successive governments have been mostly following it. The Euro has nothing to do with anything and besides most motorways were built well before the competition or their construction is still in progress ;)

[edolen1]

:lol:
A previous government together with specialists designed a motorway plan a while ago and since then successive governments have been mostly following it. The Euro has nothing to do with anything and besides most motorways were built well before the competition or their construction is still in progress ;)

The Expo must've had something to do with it then! :lol:

[Nephasto]

I know the system used here has barriers, cars just get on a separated lane, slow down, the sensors pick them up and by the time they reach the barrier it's open.. Of course you can't really do it at 130 km/h.. :D

:D

Well, here(in the traditional Via Verde system) we don't have barriers. ;)

[edolen1]

Yeah, a lot of other system don't either, the French telepeage doesn't if memory serves me right, but I think the Italian Telepass does..

[TeKnO_Lx]

^^That's true.

I guess there are also mechanisms to fine people from another countries.

It's just like a radar.. when people are cought in radars and aren't nationals what happens?? It's the same case.


Besides, this problems exists in all the toll systems where you don't have to pay (no need to be free.flow systems), like the tradicinal Via-Verde system where cars would just pass by a special toll both lane, but without stoping, just slowing down. Systems like this exist all over Europe.

in Portugal i think it doesnt work very weel. for instance, i read once Brisa (portuguese owner of highways) would install a barrer at the vasco da gama bridge "via verde" ( free automatic peage lane) because spanish drivers from A6 motorway (badajoz-madrid) would pass there for free, didn´t paying
i guess for foreigners, aplying charges aren´t that effective

[igorlan]

:lol:
A previous government together with specialists designed a motorway plan a while ago and since then successive governments have been mostly following it. The Euro has nothing to do with anything and besides most motorways were built well before the competition or their construction is still in progress ;)

Thanks guys, I am afraid we will have to learn much from your government that doesn't waste its time on pointless issues like our does. There are still 5 years ahead of us but it might be too little time if they don't change certain regulations to speed up bureaucratic procedures.

[traveler]

Nice highways in Portugal!

[jpraln3]

Nice pics of Portuguese highways

http://inlinethumb19.webshots.com/5266/2883185080101884717S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2883185080101884717pIGoPn)
http://inlinethumb10.webshots.com/6345/2511909480101884717S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2511909480101884717EfnKYp)
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[jpraln3]

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[picassoborseli]

The brand new free-flow toll system in the brand new A-10 motorway.
We have had a "Via Verde" system from many years now (the concept was even exported to several countries), which is a system that alows cars to go through tolls without stoping.

Well, this is it's evolution! Now "Via Verde" clients don'e even have to slow down when passing tolls.
Quite cool! :cool:

:bow:

[ADL2040]

The North - South axis in the northern area of Lisbon.
This new section of freeway will open by the end of 2007. They´re waiting the conclusion of a flyover (not showned) to open the road.


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The last junction of the freeway with the Lisbons inner ring road (IC 17 CRIL)

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[ChrisZwolle]

Great thanks! The last 2 pics looks kinda American. But the asphalt on the new road is just jummy. What number does this Autoestrada have?

[Paulo2004]

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[DanielFigFoz]

Edgar Cardoso Bridge- Figueira da Foz-IC1/EN109

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[RawLee]

What is the average cost of 1km highway(or motorway,call as you want) in Portugal? I'm curious because we are told here that our ~10million EUR/km is way too much.

[ChrisZwolle]

10 million per km is quite common nowadays, especially on difficult terrain or suburban area's. But in northern Germany, it is said that the A20 has been constructed for 0,5 million per km. But in opposite of that, the Dutch A4 would cost a staggering 100 million per km on flat terrain without any viaducts or other stuff. So i guess it can vary greatly. Tunnels and large viaducts or rivercrossings can add a lot to the total pricetag.

[RawLee]

10 million per km is quite common nowadays, especially on difficult terrain or suburban area's. But in northern Germany, it is said that the A20 has been constructed for 0,5 million per km. But in opposite of that, the Dutch A4 would cost a staggering 100 million per km on flat terrain without any viaducts or other stuff. So i guess it can vary greatly. Tunnels and large viaducts or rivercrossings can add a lot to the total pricetag.

The opposition in the parliament always compare our prices with croatian prices,and theirs are cheaper. We build on flat terrain almost always.

[ChrisZwolle]

What about human resources? Maybe construction workers are more expensive in Hungary than in Croatia? A huge amount of manhours have to be shifted in order to build a motorway, and if your income is 1/3rd higher than in HR, that may add up well to the total costs.

[RawLee]

What about human resources? Maybe construction workers are more expensive in Hungary than in Croatia? A huge amount of manhours have to be shifted in order to build a motorway, and if your income is 1/3rd higher than in HR, that may add up well to the total costs.

the said they use workforce from Ukraine and such,but their terrain..well..difficult is not enough good word for the purpose.
But that doesnt matter. so the opposition,as always,is one-sided,and dont look around. We are fine,and dont waste money.

[SCWTC4]

when i went to lisbona two year ago i noticed a gap in the freeway/highway system of the city;IC16 (or radial da pontinha) and IC17 abruptly ends at a coverleaf interchange just norteast of amadora, IC17 begins agains 3 km south at an another unfinished coverleaf interchange with IC19 and IC16 will probably links with avenida lusiada a bit southeast..

someone could please tell me why those freeways are never been completed ?

thanks in advance. :)

[DanielFigFoz]

Sorry for bad qualty.

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[x-type]

the said they use workforce from Ukraine and such,but their terrain..well..difficult is not enough good word for the purpose.
But that doesnt matter. so the opposition,as always,is one-sided,and dont look around. We are fine,and dont waste money.

our A1 at section from Zagreb to Split costed 6,5 mil. €/km (in that price is included finished one tube and just digged second of 2 largest tunnels together long 11 km - finishing of second tubes will cost about 80 mil. €, so that makes some 200000 €/km more)

[DanielFigFoz]

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[DanielFigFoz]

when i went to lisbona two year ago i noticed a gap in the freeway/highway system of the city;IC16 (or radial da pontinha) and IC17 abruptly ends at a coverleaf interchange just norteast of amadora, IC17 begins agains 3 km south at an another unfinished coverleaf interchange with IC19 and IC16 will probably links with avenida lusiada a bit southeast..

someone could please tell me why those freeways are never been completed ?

thanks in advance. :)

It wound'nt surprise me if one political party was in power, there was an election and the other political party dicided to do the exact opposite.

[SCWTC4]

It wound'nt surprise me if one political party was in power, there was an election and the other political party dicided to do the exact opposite.
ah.. same old situation so :lol: thanks

edit: anyway.. las time i was unable to use google maps (why i don't know)
bot here's the link of the site
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=it&geocode=&q=lisbona&ie=UTF8&ll=38.768473,-9.208732&spn=0.023088,0.040169&t=h&z=15&om=1

[DanielFigFoz]

ah.. same old situation so :lol: thanks

edit: anyway.. las time i was unable to use google maps (why i don't know)
bot here's the link of the site
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=it&geocode=&q=lisbona&ie=UTF8&ll=38.768473,-9.208732&spn=0.023088,0.040169&t=h&z=15&om=1

I checked out the internet about this case and it seems like the goverment want to build the road one way and the public another, so simply they didn't do anything.

[Paulo2004]

Cool photos DFM

[DanielFigFoz]

Thanks

[wyqtor]

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This sign is my favorite, I like signs with many colors! :) They are also a lot easier to read, considering the many destinations.

[ChrisZwolle]

^^ One of the worst signs i've ever seen. Spanish signs are sometimes also a chaotic mess.

Less is more.

[DanielFigFoz]

^^ One of the worst signs i've ever seen. Spanish signs are sometimes also a chaotic mess.

Less is more.

If you think the sign's bad you'd like to see the the road's around there. :nuts:

[wyqtor]

^^ One of the worst signs i've ever seen. Spanish signs are sometimes also a chaotic mess.

Less is more.

I agree, but at least here the colors help you sort out what you are interested in - white for local destination, blue for motorways and green for other main roads. It would be a lot harder to distinguish anything if all destinations were the same color.

I don't know if this was answered before, are the IC roads (or IP, I don't remember exactly what they are signed) allowed to have at-grade intersections or are they some sort of expressways?

[DanielFigFoz]

I agree, but at least here the colors help you sort out what you are interested in - white for local destination, blue for motorways and green for other main roads. It would be a lot harder to distinguish anything if all destinations were the same color.

I don't know if this was answered before, are the IC roads (or IP, I don't remember exactly what they are signed) allowed to have at-grade intersections or are they some sort of expressways?

There are IC and IP roads and usualy they don't have at-grande intersections but they do have them sometimes. IP roads are signed green but IC's white.

[Reivajar]

^^ One of the worst signs i've ever seen. Spanish signs are sometimes also a chaotic mess.

Less is more.

Mainly, Spanish signs are chaotic on city rings of most important roads nodes (Madrid, Barcelona, Saragossa, Seville, Valencia...). We want to put everything (destinations, roads numbers, European routes..:nuts: ).

Colours are very useful if you know their meaning, but they're very confusing if you don't. In any case I found these Portuguese signs are quite appropriate.


There are IC and IP roads and usualy they don't have at-grande intersections but they do have them sometimes. IP roads are signed green but IC's white.

I've listened IP's (Itinerários Principais) and IC's (Itinerários Complementarios) are a classification completely independent on road design (single carriageway, dual carriageway, expressway or motorway). It's quite similar to European routes system.

[DanielFigFoz]

Yes that is correct.

[Reivajar]

^^ Ok, thanks:)

[Paulo2004]

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[Reivajar]

^^Are not European routes signposted on portuguese signs?

[Nephasto]

European route numbers are usually showed on the signs indicating the distance to cities.

Example (A3/IP1/E01 near the spanish border):
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[ChrisZwolle]

^^Are not European routes signposted on portuguese signs?

Nobody uses those signs anyway...

[DanielFigFoz]

^^Are not European routes signposted on portuguese signs?

Sometimes but not always.

[Reivajar]

Ok, thanks. What is the most used denomination system in Portugal? IP's and IC's one or auto-estradas and national roads?

Nobody uses those signs anyway...

:lol: It depends on country...maybe an only european denomination system is completely utopic when each country still has its own system.

[DanielFigFoz]

Ok, thanks. What is the most used denomination system in Portugal? IP's and IC's one or auto-estradas and national roads?



:lol: It depends on country...maybe an only european denomination system is completely utopic when each country still has its own system.

National on road signs but the most common (but the numer isn't on road signs nor most maps) are Estradas Municipais or Municipal Roads.

[Reivajar]

National on road signs but the most common (but the numer isn't on road signs nor most maps) are Estradas Municipais or Municipal Roads.

I was talking about "most used" by users, not regarding network size. In other words, generally a person says IP1 or A1 (for example)?

[DanielFigFoz]

I was talking about "most used" by users, not regarding network size. In other words, generally a person says IP1 or A1 (for example)?

A1 beacuse it's a big motorway, but the motorway to my hometown (A14) most people call it IP3. So really it depends on which road it is.

[Reivajar]

Ok, thanks.;)

[DanielFigFoz]

First 2 Pics by my mum, rest by me (the 3rd was taken fom the back seat of the car.)

A14

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All the uploading took 2 hours.

[ChrisZwolle]

2 hours!

Where is this approximatly?

[DanielFigFoz]

Coimbra-Figueira area.

[Nephasto]

Ok, thanks. What is the most used denomination system in Portugal? IP's and IC's one or auto-estradas and national roads?


Well, when it's a motorway, what's signed is always (with rare exceptions near the border(like my photo) or for example around Porto) is the A-xx and not the IP-xx.
So people always say A-3 or A-1, and never IP-1. Most people probably have no idea that the A-1, A-2 and A-3 are all part of IP-1.

Then, there are some cases, where the old denomination didn't have an A number, like for example A-28/IC-1(which until a few years ago it was just IC-1), that although nowadays it's only signed as A-28, many people still call it IC-1.
Also you have the case of IP-5, which was upgraded to a motorway, being now the A-25, but some people still call it IP-5, although it's not longer signed as IP-5, just A-25 (although it keeps being the IP-5 too).



As for national roads, apart from some exception that might exist, when the roads are IP's or IC's, they are only signed as that, and they don't have any N-xx number.
For example, IC-1 from Lisbon to Algarve (the "old road", paralel to A-2) doesn't have a nacional road number. It's just IC-1.


Hope that was helpfull! :cheers:

[Reivajar]

^^Ok, thanks :)

[Vrachar]

A few pics from my trip to Madeira (August 2007):

VR1 Expressway:
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Here VR1 goes BELOW the Airport runway:
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[ChrisZwolle]

Very spectacular!

[Nephasto]

Very good road and photo's! :applause:

[rick1016]

Very nice!!

[edolen1]

Awesome road amongst spectacular scenery! We had the honour to drive along it last year, very nice! But they have to do something about the slip roads, some of them are a bit scary, with no entry lanes for traffic entering the motorway..

[BPT]

Here VR1 goes BELOW the Airport runway:
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:uh:

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:okay:

[Reivajar]

Really impressive. Thanks :)

A question. What's the top speed on this road?

[Nephasto]

^^Good question.
But I guess it's 90 or 100... maybe 90, because if it was 100 it would probably have green signs(road reserved to cars --> that blue signs with a car in it). But as it's in Madeira, I'm not sure...

[Vrachar]

^^
The top speed on VR1 is 100 km/h. It's road reserved for cars and got white signs as IC's on the continent. :cheers:

[Reivajar]

Thanks. But..so, green signs would be more advisable, wouldn't it?

[Vrachar]

^^
Apsolutely. :cheers:

[Nephasto]

Thanks. But..so, green signs would be more advisable, wouldn't it?

Indeed!

[DanielFigFoz]

^^
The top speed on VR1 is 100 km/h. It's road reserved for cars and got white signs as IC's on the continent. :cheers:

Not all IC''s are reserved only for cars.

[Nephasto]

^^True. Not even all IP's are all reserved for cars only.

[DanielFigFoz]

Yep.

[Fern]

It wound'nt surprise me if one political party was in power, there was an election and the other political party dicided to do the exact opposite.
That's not completely true. The network has been drawn many years ago and has only undergone very small changes throughout the years. Successive governments have been following the plan but it is obvious that they might have other priorities and so the construction of some motorways has been delayed/postponed.

@Vrachar- Great pics you got there! I have driven on those motorways and loved it but i was even more impressed with the roads that lead to the pico ruivo, the highest peak in the island and then along the top of the mountain all the way to the other end of the island. I highly recommend it to anyone who visits Madeira :okay:

[Vrachar]

@Vrachar- Great pics you got there! I have driven on those motorways and loved it but i was even more impressed with the roads that lead to the pico ruivo, the highest peak in the island and then along the top of the mountain all the way to the other end of the island. I highly recommend it to anyone who visits Madeira :okay:

Thank you Fern. I haven't driven to the Pico Ruivo, unfortunately, but cruised whole island along the coast and Paul da Serra plateau (including Ecumeada peak) and found it very stunning. :happy: Madeira is so beautiful, as whole Portugal overall. :okay:

[edolen1]

@Vrachar- Great pics you got there! I have driven on those motorways and loved it but i was even more impressed with the roads that lead to the pico ruivo, the highest peak in the island and then along the top of the mountain all the way to the other end of the island. I highly recommend it to anyone who visits Madeira :okay:

Too bad I had so little time in Madeira, I was so looking forward to doing that but I couldn't cuz my sightseeing time was cut short by an illness..

I'll make sure to do it next time, but I don't think I'll be visiting with my parents.. ;)

[Fern]

That's unfortunate.. :( But if you come again and need a guide u know on whose door to knock ;)

Thank you Fern. I haven't driven to the Pico Ruivo, unfortunately, but cruised whole island along the coast and Paul da Serra plateau (including Ecumeada peak) and found it very stunning. :happy: Madeira is so beautiful, as whole Portugal overall. :okay:
The interesting thing about driving to the top is that it almost seems like ur running through all the seasons in only one hour!
Thanks, Im glad you enjoyed ur trip. Do come again, there's a lot more to see! :)

[edolen1]

That's unfortunate.. :( But if you come again and need a guide u know on whose door to knock ;)

Yeah, I sure do!

Anyways, are there any expressways/viaducts/tunnels being built on Madeira now, or is the construction finished?

[Fern]

I found a sample map of all the roads in Madeira including u/c. However ARCGIS software is required to access the larger version of the map :P
Here's the link http://snig.igeo.pt/cgi-bin/snig2/Igd/mostra_dataset.cgi?cod=C166 :)

[edolen1]

Oh that's too bad.. :( Maybe someone could take a couple of screenshots and post them? :)

[Paulo2004]

Wonderful photos Vrochar. :applause:

[Vrachar]

^^
Thank you Paulo. :cheers:

[Petronius]

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/6136/montemorloures07yw2.jpg

by the time you finish reading and understanding this sign you probably had an accident already lol

[Paulo2004]

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by the time you finish reading and understanding this sign you probably had an accident already lol

You bet.

[Brisbaner21]

When I was in Portugal I was very impressed with the highway network. I was pretty much impressed with every aspect of Portugal.

[TeKnO_Lx]

( translated automatcly) hope you get the main point

contrahand - car in the wrong lane direction

SISTEMA AVISAR ( WARNING SYSTEM) is being gradualy implemented in portuguese motorways

Five highways managed for the BRISA start to make use, from September, of equipment of automatic detention of circulation in opositehand and accidents. The tests already are to elapse in two places and had given to fruits the system yesterday “To inform” made to sound the alert one when a conductor inverted the march in the A10, in full bridge of the Lezírias (Loaded). The promptitude of the acknowledgment allowed the Brigade of Transit to intercept and withholds the motorist, of 74 years.

Valença (A3), Figueira of the Estuary (A14), Borba (A6) and S. Bartolomeu de Messines (A2) are the zones chosen for first the ten real installations of the system, in the next month. Jorge Lopes, director technician of the Center of Coordenação Operacional (CCO) of the Brisa, explains that they had been indicated “local of incidence of contrahand cases”, that they correspond the zones terminals and without toll gate of the auto-roads.

Short-term, the objective is to extend the system to the 550 cameras of monitoring of the highway net. The generalization simple after is exceeded the phase of conception and perfectioning, in partnership with the Institute of Systems and Robotics of the University of Coimbra. In the practical one, a processor is placed in the camara, that sends information for the CCO. “The intelligent” program detects irregular movements and sudden immobilizations in the way.

“To inform” it could be a part important to minimize the effect of the sinistrality in the motorways of Brisa. The number of mortal accidents suffered one accented decrease between 2004 (70) and 2006 (41), but, on the other hand, the volume of occurrences increased - the sinistrality tax (number of accidents for each 100 million covered kilometrs) passed, in the same period, of 48,58 for 54,16.

The telemátic still has, however, little expression in the detention of incidences (concept that includes, beyond accidents, other anomalies in the way). According to data of the Brisa, in 2006 the participation made for that one saw had represented 5.21% of the total, that is, 4958 in 95008. The 90 viatures of the Brisa lead clearly in detentions, with 46% of the participation.

Beyond the operators of the Brisa, it has been remembered that since it has one year is permanently in the CCO an element of the BT (brigade traffic). The legislation however approved, that allows the access to the videovigilance for the purpose of fiscalization, does not annul rights of the motorists, also taxes for the National Commission of Protecção de Dados. “We only supply a school registration to a force of authority by means of judicial order”, exemplifies Jorge Lopes.




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Q) In which situation can the automatic cameras be activated and useful?


A) When the car stops, or driving slow on the motorway, traffic congestion, existence of objects or animals in the lane (not normal situations)

for now and until the end of this year 2007, the cameras wiil be in test. If everything goes out as plan, all the "new cameras" should be instaled until the end of 2008 ( which means a total of 550 cameras in the all Brisa motorways)

NOTE - BRISA owns and exploits 1106 km´s of portuguese motorways, which means about 48% of the total of motorways in Portugal, meaning the most important connection between all portuguese cities. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brisa_-_Auto-estradas_de_Portugal

[Pelha]

Officially inaugurated the new freeway extension (North-South Axis) in the northern area of Lisbon.

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