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[Martinsizon]

Pan Pacific Hotels plans major expansion
First 'new targets' include Toronto and Los Angeles

Bruce Constantineau
Vancouver Sun


Wednesday, April 04, 2007


The new Singapore-based owners of Pan Pacific Hotels and Resorts chain want to aggressively expand the global hotel brand throughout North America -- with more Canadian properties likely, the company's North American president said Tuesday.

Steve Halliday said the UOL Group Ltd, which acquired the chain from Tokyu Corp. of Japan last week, have a "passion and commitment" for the hotel business and see a great future for an expanded Pan Pacific brand. There are currently 20 Pan Pacific properties throughout Asia Pacific and North America.

Tokyu Corp. brought the Pan Pacific brand to Vancouver when it opened the Pan Pacific Hotel at Canada Place in 1986.

But Halliday said the company has recently concentrated its efforts on the Japanese market, opting to sell a San Francisco hotel last year and selling the Vancouver hotel in 2002, while retaining the hotel's management contract.

"UOL wants to grow in North America," he said. "The first new targets will be Los Angeles, San Francisco, Toronto and San Diego."

Pan Pacific currently operates just four North American hotels -- including two in Whistler, one in Vancouver, and one in Seattle that opened last year.

Halliday said future Pan Pacific hotels are likely to open in resort locations like Lake Tahoe, Mammoth Mountain, Vail and Vancouver Island.

"We only want world-class sites, and I feel the future of Pan Pacific in North America will be boutique properties -- with 150 to 200 rooms," he said. "Pan Pacific is still fresh and not a typical brand you see on every street corner in North America, so a lot of developers are looking our way."

Halliday stressed the new owners have no plans to change the current management and staff at existing Pan Pacific hotels.

The UOL Group owns several hotels in the Asia-Pacific region, including many under the Parkroyal brand. The company has business interests in Singapore, Malaysia, Australia, Vietnam and China, with more than 40 subsidiaries and associate companies.

UOL reported operating income of $130 million last year on revenues of $461 million.

[Waterloo_Guy]

So, it will be nice but small. Sounds like a good fit in Yorkville. Maybe near the new Four Seasons?

[b13]

^ or it could be tall with residential condos lik the ritz or four seasons or even shangri-la! We just have to wait and see!

[phunky]

I like how they say they only want world class sites and that Toronto is one of their target markets ;) That's for all those people that say Toronto isn't world class.

[b13]

^agreed, Toronto is changing and we are changing fast! It's time that people realize that Toronto is world-class and people around the world agree with us!

[samsonyuen]

Wow, what a quick invasion of upperclass hotels! Ritz, new Four Seasons, Shangri-La...What's next? Mandarin Oriental? W?

[Filip]

W will be here eventually - Mandarin Oriental.. Maybe?

[Dino Domingo]

I like how they say they only want world class sites and that Toronto is one of their target markets ;) That's for all those people that say Toronto isn't world class.

Those people are idiots.

[Tuscani01]

I like how they say they only want world class sites and that Toronto is one of their target markets ;) That's for all those people that say Toronto isn't world class.

So Vancouver has been world class since 1986? lol

[phunky]

So Vancouver has been world class since 1986? lol
I would say yes. I haven't been there so it's hard for me to say. But it seems to be a world class city. And will be made so even more with the Olympics.

[bigcityboy]

Is it possible that Pan Pacific will operate the hotel in the lower floors of 1 Bloor East? Great location and Bazis says they want a four star hotel there. Could work out.

[DanfromTO]

vancouver is not world class
they couldnt even support a NBA team for 5 years, and they lost that team to memphis who can easily support it
toronto on the other has NBA and MLB teams that are in no danger of moving south
obviously there are many more things that make a city to be considered world class
but if canada has a world class city ... toronto is it

[yin_yang]

^ if the griz had stuck around and drafted Ming a few years back they'd be in business...

[Tuscani01]

vancouver is not world class
they couldnt even support a NBA team for 5 years, and they lost that team to memphis who can easily support it
toronto on the other has NBA and MLB teams that are in no danger of moving south
obviously there are many more things that make a city to be considered world class
but if canada has a world class city ... toronto is it

Paris doesnt have an NBA or MLB team either. Does that mean they arent world class either?

[Waterloo_Guy]

vancouver is not world class
they couldnt even support a NBA team for 5 years

That is absolutely stupid. It's already been mentioned, but do you think Paris could support an NBA team? Wow.

[DanfromTO]

no
but i said if CANADA has a world class city than toronto would be it
an example i gave was that toronto has the ability to support major leauge north american sports teams unlike any other canadian city (obviously with the exception of hockey)
i also said that i knew there were many other factors that make a city world class, but when thought about rationally, toronto is the most "world class" city in Canada, and i say that having been to vancouver 4 times

[Tuscani01]

no
but i said if CANADA has a world class city than toronto would be it
an example i gave was that toronto has the ability to support major leauge north american sports teams unlike any other canadian city (obviously with the exception of hockey)
i also said that i knew there were many other factors that make a city world class, but when thought about rationally, toronto is the most "world class" city in Canada, and i say that having been to vancouver 4 times

At least Vancouver can win the Olympics. That means a lot more than keeping an NBA team.

[leaf345]

At least Vancouver can win the Olympics.

That hurts :(

[Tuscani01]

That hurts :(

I know... I tried to keep a brave face while saying it.

[yin_yang]

At least Vancouver can win the Olympics.

pfft, yeah, the crappy winter kind of olympics :lol: at least we were bidding for the real thing...

[phunky]

Like others said about Vancouver not being able to keep an NBA team. That really holds no ground in that arguement.
Also maybe Vancouver just isn't a basketball city.

[Tuscani01]

pfft, yeah, the crappy winter kind of olympics :lol: at least we were bidding for the real thing...

If they are so crappy then why do over 2 billion people world wide tune in, and why are the venues expected to be all sold out?

"crappy winter olympics" is what sore people say to themselves to make them feel better about getting no olympics.

[thryve]

Okay, let's just get this out on the table and be up front about it:

CUT THE ANTI-VANCOUVER CRAP, people! You obviously do it out of insecurity... geeez. I bet half the people on these boards haven't even spent much time there.

*Is so sick of it...*

[yin_yang]

i was joking around. i think vancouver is awesome, it's just obviously smaller and not as developed as toronto, so it's easy to make fun of when compared to us. sweet city, definitely...in fact i'd rather live there because i like living downtown.

[Waterloo_Guy]

Also maybe Vancouver just isn't a basketball city.

Exactly. Look at the US cities that do support NBA teams--there's nothing great about most of them. The NBA is an American thing, evaluating a Canadian city based on the NBA makes no sense.

[valantino]

If they are so crappy then why do over 2 billion people world wide tune in, and why are the venues expected to be all sold out?


there are nowhere near 2 billion people tuning into the winter olympics - likewise with a billion people watching the oscars or super bowl

[Tuscani01]

there are nowhere near 2 billion people tuning into the winter olympics - likewise with a billion people watching the oscars or super bowl

The Turin games were expecting 3.2 Billion to tune in.

[phunky]

I would say that sounds accurate.

[leaf345]

The Turin games were expecting 3.2 Billion to tune in.

That sounds insanely high. I don't even think the world cup and summer olympics get numbers that high. Thats 1/2 the world. Over 1/2 the world doesn't even get snow!

[Filip]

Vancouver is nice and all - one of the prettiest scenic natural locations I can think of; but as a city it fails completely and miserably. Travelling through Canada, I've never been as bored as I was while there. Of course, I spent hours gawking at the ocean and the mountains (as I clearly can't get enough of it here) but... God, if I want to see that many green glass condos I'll stay in Humber Bay Shores.

And whoever it is accusing Torontonians of an inferiority complex toward Vancouver.. What the FUCK? VANCOUVER? Montreal I understand - it's a beautiful, happening, hip and fashionable city, Vancouver is a bland city filled with lululemon wearing mary-j yahoos. So if you accuse Torontonians of that, I suggest you take a quick peek to the Van forums and defend your home city.

[Filip]

The Turin games were expecting 3.2 Billion to tune in.

Key word "expecting" I don't even know anyone who watched those games. Usually I do - but I really did not even bother. Those games were a flop imo.

[Tuscani01]

So if you accuse Torontonians of that, I suggest you take a quick peek to the Van forums and defend your home city.

Actually im in there quite often, and there is no defending needed. They focus on their city. The only time problems arise are when Torontonians (go figure) go in and start shit.

[Filip]

Actually im in there quite often, and there is no defending needed. They focus on their city. The only time problems arise are when Torontonians (go figure) go in and start shit.

Sorry, wrong forum, meant SSP. And no, I've seen plenty of shit and it's usually started by someone in Vancouver; which is in turn addressed by a good samaritan Torontonian - and voila you have perfect West Coast insecurity.

[Tuscani01]

Key word "expecting" I don't even know anyone who watched those games. Usually I do - but I really did not even bother. Those games were a flop imo.

Salt lake city got 2.1 Billion viewers with less exposure than Turin had. Turin had way more coverage from broadcasters than the Salt Lake city games.

[Tuscani01]

Sorry, wrong forum, meant SSP. And no, I've seen plenty of shit and it's usually started by someone in Vancouver; which is in turn addressed by a good samaritan Torontonian - and voila you have perfect West Coast insecurity.

Well this isnt SSP, so keep the bullshit there.

[Filip]

Well this isnt SSP, so keep the bullshit there.

No, it happens here too... SSP is more frequent (and entertaining).

[Waterloo_Guy]

Vancouver is nice and all - one of the prettiest scenic natural locations I can think of; but as a city it fails completely and miserably. Travelling through Canada, I've never been as bored as I was while there. Of course, I spent hours gawking at the ocean and the mountains (as I clearly can't get enough of it here) but... God, if I want to see that many green glass condos I'll stay in Humber Bay Shores.

And whoever it is accusing Torontonians of an inferiority complex toward Vancouver.. What the FUCK? VANCOUVER? Montreal I understand - it's a beautiful, happening, hip and fashionable city, Vancouver is a bland city filled with lululemon wearing mary-j yahoos. So if you accuse Torontonians of that, I suggest you take a quick peek to the Van forums and defend your home city.

That sums it up nicely, and probably explains why everyone who goes to Vancouver says how nice the mountains are. I like Vancouver, but put it anywhere else and it does nothing for me.

[InTheBeach]

That sums it up nicely, and probably explains why everyone who goes to Vancouver says how nice the mountains are. I like Vancouver, but put it anywhere else and it does nothing for me.


Hate to say it, but that sums it up for me too.

[Rusty Gull]

Wow. Lots of schoolyard angst from the Torontonians -- specifically Waterloo Guy and InTheBeach. I don't see the need for it.

I mean, we could all set our gaze on Waterloo for its much vaunted architecture and scenery, but we won't now, will we?

[phunky]

Wow. Lots of schoolyard angst from the Torontonians -- specifically Waterloo Guy and InTheBeach. I don't see the need for it.

I mean, we could all set our gaze on Waterloo for its much vaunted architecture and scenery, but we won't now, will we?
Let's not, shall we?

[Jaborandi]

Vancouver has world class scenery no doubt about it. It's very pretty. I lived there for 4 years in the mid 90s. I found the pace a tad slow and tedious and it's a bit of a cultural backwater but living there was no hardship. I enjoyed wearing shorts in winter and I loved cycling around the seawall and False Creek but aside from the outdoorsy stuff, there just weren't many options of things to do. At that point, it was architecturally far more inventive than Toronto and overall design standards seemed to be far superior to here, but I do think T.O. has caught up. I find Toronto just more interesting and stimulating but that's just me and obviously there are many who prefer Vancouver and one can't blame them because it is a very seductive city. I might move back there when I'm dead.

[Waterloo_Guy]

Wow. Lots of schoolyard angst from the Torontonians -- specifically Waterloo Guy and InTheBeach. I don't see the need for it.

I mean, we could all set our gaze on Waterloo for its much vaunted architecture and scenery, but we won't now, will we?

Ouch. I've been served.

[Taller, Better]

Vancouver has world class scenery no doubt about it. It's very pretty. I lived there for 4 years in the mid 90s. I found the pace a tad slow and tedious and it's a bit of a cultural backwater but living there was no hardship. I enjoyed wearing shorts in winter and I loved cycling around the seawall and False Creek but aside from the outdoorsy stuff, there just weren't many options of things to do. At that point, it was architecturally far more inventive than Toronto and overall design standards seemed to be far superior to here, but I do think T.O. has caught up. I find Toronto just more interesting and stimulating but that's just me and obviously there are many who prefer Vancouver and one can't blame them because it is a very seductive city. I might move back there when I'm dead.

I agree with this evaluation 100%. At one time I thought I would settle there for good but I just didn't fit the bill of being a Vancouverite and I came to my senses and moved here... but am not sure how this turned into a Vancouver vs Toronto thing...getting back to Pan Pacific... they are pretty late on the curve in entering the Toronto market. Lots of competition now.

[Waterloo_Guy]

I think there's room for them. I wonder if they'll move into 1 Bloor. Hmm.

[Jaye101]

Okay, let's just get this out on the table and be up front about it:

CUT THE ANTI-VANCOUVER CRAP, people! You obviously do it out of insecurity... geeez. I bet half the people on these boards haven't even spent much time there.

*Is so sick of it...*

Agreed. No Vancouver bashing.

[BTTO]

Vancouver has world class scenery no doubt about it. It's very pretty. I lived there for 4 years in the mid 90s. I found the pace a tad slow and tedious and it's a bit of a cultural backwater but living there was no hardship. I enjoyed wearing shorts in winter and I loved cycling around the seawall and False Creek but aside from the outdoorsy stuff, there just weren't many options of things to do. At that point, it was architecturally far more inventive than Toronto and overall design standards seemed to be far superior to here, but I do think T.O. has caught up. I find Toronto just more interesting and stimulating but that's just me and obviously there are many who prefer Vancouver and one can't blame them because it is a very seductive city. I might move back there when I'm dead.


That summes it up nicely for me as well... I had a choice to do my MLA at UBC or UofT.. flew out to UBC and try I found that after looking at the mountains (when you can actually see them) the city will get quite boring after a while

[Rusty Gull]

Well, BTTO, if you're looking for West Coast versions of the Skydome, bank towers, or the Gardiner Expressway to up your excitement factor, you'll be disappointed. Apparently Mr. Submarine is expanding in B.C. however, so at least one of your city's cosmopolitan offerings is being transported to the high and dry Pacific Coasters.

[Rusty Gull]

Vancouver has world class scenery no doubt about it. It's very pretty. I lived there for 4 years in the mid 90s. I found the pace a tad slow and tedious and it's a bit of a cultural backwater...At that point, it was architecturally far more inventive than Toronto... I might move back there when I'm dead.

Well, for a supposed skyscraper enthusiast, you've missed some good ones on the West Coast since your departure: One Wall Centre, Shaw Tower, Concord Pacific. Not to mention GM Place (hockey), the Millennium rapid transit line, and the Vancouver International Airport expansion.

If the inventive architecture you're referring to is one of the Erickson concrete designs, I'd be happy to send it to your cultural utopia of Markham...errrr.... Toronto.

[Rusty Gull]

Ouch. I've been served.

I'm actually a big fan of Kitchener-Waterloo, London and Guelph. Waterloo itself does suffer from some urban planning shortcomings, but Kitchener makes up for that with its character and heritage. The two cities complement eachother nicely.

[mr.x]

vancouver is not world class
they couldnt even support a NBA team for 5 years, and they lost that team to memphis who can easily support it
toronto on the other has NBA and MLB teams that are in no danger of moving south
obviously there are many more things that make a city to be considered world class
but if canada has a world class city ... toronto is it

First of all, Vancouver was one of the last team's to pick their players....we had horrible players. On top of that, the NBA and the owners had always planned to move the team to Memphis and management was disorganized which is why they couldn't find sufficient sponsorship.

I actually agree with you all. The outdoor and nature here stuff is awesome.....but when it comes to the shopping, culture, entertainment and nightlife part we do lag a bit, but it is improving.

Finally, no more Vancouver bashing.

[Jaye101]

I don't see Vancouver anywhere in the title of this thread, as a matter of fact, I don't see it mentioned once in the article in the first post. Vancouver's great, Toronto's great--they're both great in thier own ways. Everyone happy?

[mr.x]

Since this topic is already off-topic anyway, just wondering - how is Shangri-la Toronto coming along? Has construction started?

[Jaye101]

Maybe you should venture off to the Shangri-La thread. :)

[mr.x]

Maybe you should venture off to the Shangri-La thread. :)

No, thanks. I insist on discussing here since you guys seem to love going off-topic, particularly about one other city.

Not trying to start anything, but I'm trying to make a point: stop the random bashing because I'm sick of it.

[Jaye101]

Next person to mention Vancouver in this thread is getting an infraction, or brigged depending on who you are.

[Waterloo_Guy]

I'm actually a big fan of Kitchener-Waterloo, London and Guelph. Waterloo itself does suffer from some urban planning shortcomings, but Kitchener makes up for that with its character and heritage. The two cities complement eachother nicely.

That's pretty much my take on it too. Waterloo has some real planning problems, to the extent that public transit is almost impossible. But the tri-cities work nice together.

If Pan Pacific doesn't go into 1 Bloor, any thoughts as to where? My bet is Yorkville, maybe next to the new Four Seasons.

[Filip]

That's pretty much my take on it too. Waterloo has some real planning problems, to the extent that public transit is almost impossible. But the tri-cities work nice together.

If Pan Pacific doesn't go into 1 Bloor, any thoughts as to where? My bet is Yorkville, maybe next to the new Four Seasons.

Or in the "New Yorkville" down in the entertainement district. I see that area becoming a new hotbed of high and classy - sooner or later we'll see an influx of Chanel's and whatnot to signal what the area has become!

[DanfromTO]

At least Vancouver can win the Olympics. That means a lot more than keeping an NBA team.

salt lake city can win the olympics, therefore invalidating your statement

[Waterloo_Guy]

Or in the "New Yorkville" down in the entertainement district. I see that area becoming a new hotbed of high and classy - sooner or later we'll see an influx of Chanel's and whatnot to signal what the area has become!

I'm curious as to how that area will evolve. It's such a hodge-podge of different things right now.

[Filip]

I'm curious as to how that area will evolve. It's such a hodge-podge of different things right now.

I'm looking at it this way: Clubs will remain; they'll just get more expensive and classier, sort of like many of the VIP clubs at Miami beach and whatnot. In terms of retail, I can see a lot of high end designer boutiques opening up around there. The market will be there (Ritz, Shangri La, countless boutique hotels, TIFF etc..) that most of those stores will have someone to cater to. Eventually we will have Yorkville, and "down under" for shopping.

Which reminds me; I was at the Louis Vuitton boutique with my stepmom a few nights ago.. Goooood, I can't believe how much people (she) spend on PURSES! And I thought I was spendy.. that's terrible.

[G_DOG]

i see yonge street changing especially after 1 bloor and aura are completed.
bay st doesnt have much retail .i dont think it will be super highend but all
those dollar stores,cheap clothes and crappy memrobilia stores will go.but yeah i agree with fil ,the entertainment district will definately go upscale.the
amount of new storefronts or additions/renovations to retail on queen st rivals that of bloor.im hoping for more umbra type stores.

[p5archit]

^^Queen St. has become so expensive over the last few years that all the independent stores are closing down and moving out, while the large retailers; H&M, Zara, et al, are moving in. The street will be a mirror image of what you find in the Eaton Centre- only outside. Many old structures are being pulled down and being replaced by new glass and steel structures, in most cases at least 3x the original size...Context is plays no role here.

p5

[Taller, Better]

^^Queen St. has become so expensive over the last few years that all the independent stores are closing down and moving out, while the large retailers; H&M, Zara, et al, are moving in. The street will be a mirror image of what you find in the Eaton Centre- only outside. Many old structures are being pulled down and being replaced by new glass and steel structures, in most cases at least 3x the original size...Context is plays no role here.

p5



This sends shivers down my spine. I hope and pray I never see a wretched Starbucks anywhere near Kensington. That is the first sign of the kiss of death.

[Filip]

This sends shivers down my spine. I hope and pray I never see a wretched Starbucks anywhere near Kensington. That is the first sign of the kiss of death.

:lol: Mimico is getting a Starbucks.. Oh dear.. The Polish will soon vacate the land and it will be further condosized...

[phunky]

I don't think Starbucks would be stupid enough to build a store in Kensington. They would do really badly there. No one would go to it.

[vancouverite/to'er]

"the amount of new storefronts or additions/renovations to retail on queen st rivals that of bloor.im hoping for more umbra type stores."
It'd really suck if Queen St. became all high end. I think we should focus on improving Bloor St. and allowing for more high end shops in yorkville while restricting high end stuff in other parts of the city such as Queen to maintain the unique charm of all these different neighbourhoods.

If we try to make all these unique sections of toronto have the same high end feel Toronto will become bland and homogeneous. "world class isn't always a good thing to strive for"

In other words high-end luxury developments in general should mostly be in Yorkville (and maybe Eglington too)

[vancouverite/to'er]

About Pan pacific.... I think Pan pacific since its four star should buy that under construction building from Ritz-Carlton near financial district?downtown (more touristy area) and keep proposed exterior exactly same

And since Ritz is five star, it should build another hotel/condominium in Yorkville :)

That would be so much better!!

[Jaye101]

Second Cup crushes Starbucks.

[phunky]

I like both Second Cup and Starbucks. For different drinks. Second Cup has far better hot chocolate. Starbucks has better Mocha's. They both have awesome frozen drinks.

[CollsGuy]

Umm....What are we talkin about building's or coffee's folks?

[InTheBeach]

Second Cup has far better hot chocolate.

Holy crap! We finally agree on something.

OK geeks. The best place in town to get a warm beverage is now Mercury Expresso. It is all organic, and you can find it on the south side of Queen, just west of Carlaw.

[InTheBeach]

Umm....What are we talkin about building's or coffee's folks?

Coffee.

[phunky]

Holy crap! We finally agree on something.

OK geeks. The best place in town to get a warm beverage is now Mercury Expresso. It is all organic, and you can find it on the south side of Queen, just west of Carlaw.
You know, I'm a really nice person. I am just very opinionated. Most people that have known me in person have liked me. I am very unselfish, and think of others first.

[vancouverite/to'er]

Ya Second Cups awesome for hot chocolate, Starbucks hot chocolate is discusting. Too bad theres only one Second Cup in all of Vancouver. Do they have Blenz in Toronto now??

[SHORTY]

Shut the fuck up about Coffee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[KGB]

Shut the fuck up about Coffee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Uh...coffee is what holds the universe together. It goes with anything.



OK geeks. The best place in town to get a warm beverage is now Mercury Expresso.

Yea...it's not bad. The guy who owns it is an ex-Bulldog employee, and knows how to pull a shot and microfoam the milk properly.

(that means, you drink a cappa, or don't drink anything...I've pretty much spoken on that one, so don't even contemplate questioning that).

That said, it's not always amazing (I'm guessing it's the beans themselves that can be off perfection)

Another place on Queen East, and maybe a bit better is ...Dark Horse. Just a block or so west of Broadview.





KGB

[InTheBeach]

Yea...it's not bad. The guy who owns it is an ex-Bulldog employee, and knows how to pull a shot and microfoam the milk properly.

(that means, you drink a cappa, or don't drink anything...I've pretty much spoken on that one, so don't even contemplate questioning that).

That said, it's not always amazing (I'm guessing it's the beans themselves that can be off perfection)

Another place on Queen East, and maybe a bit better is ...Dark Horse. Just a block or so west of Broadview.





KGB

Thanks for the tip. I'll check that out. Is it organic too?

[KGB]

Is what organic?

If you are refering to the coffee beans, then the whole "Certified Organic" labeling is a bit of a sham when talking about coffee.




KGB

[InTheBeach]

Is what organic?

If you are refering to the coffee beans, then the whole "Certified Organic" labeling is a bit of a sham when talking about coffee.




KGB

Ha ha. Good question. For me, I am thinking about the milk. I've never considered the actual beans. Oh well.

Is the milk organic?

[KGB]

Yes, but it's 50 cents extra.

And remember, a real cappa has to be made with whole milk (so leave all that skim, soy bullshit for something else)




KGB

[Jaye101]

Ya Second Cups awesome for hot chocolate, Starbucks hot chocolate is discusting. Too bad theres only one Second Cup in all of Vancouver. Do they have Blenz in Toronto now??

WTF?! Wonder what the land value is like around that bad boy.

[Taller, Better]

Yes, but it's 50 cents extra.

And remember, a real cappa has to be made with whole milk (so leave all that skim, soy bullshit for something else)




KGB

LOL! That brought a memory flashback of Two Fat Ladies, Clarissa and Jennifer, the big old British broads who liked to cook a full English meal and then some.
"This recipe calls for three pints of heavy cream... none of that low fat yogurt nonsense". :lol:
more gems by them:

"You could use low fat crème fraiche here," one of them would pronounce, "But quite frankly what would be the point of that?"

"I've never been fond of rabbit food myself," pondered one, referring to a salad. "Yes, I much prefer eating rabbits themselves", the other would reply. "I totally agree - rabbit is a splendid food but a bit out of fashion these days because of the fluffy bunny brigade". :laugh:

[KGB]

I LOVED The Two Fat Ladies.

I liked their motorcycle with the sidecar, and the one chain-smoked. No matter how ladden with fat and richness, everything always was better when wrapped in bacon. LOL

You'd think the Food Channel would chuck one of their retarded food shows, and put on re-runs of that show.




KGB

[Filip]

^^My grandma would watch that along with me years ago.. Ah the memories. Well, I'm still amazed at the amount of butter the Barefoot Contessa manages to stick in her dishes.. I don't eat that much butter in a week...

[Taller, Better]

After cooking one episode, when Clarissa and Jennifer sparked up a cigarette and poured a glass of wine. As they were in the country, Clarissa asked her if she had ever gone "camping". Jennifer looked mortified and drawled:" I am NOT in favour of any activity that involved crouching".