426 University Ave | Speculation | 50 st | ??? m | Downtown

[V of E]

The military club, which I believe is located at 426 University Ave., is planning to develop it's site and put up a mixed use or condo building. They are currently in negotiations with a short list of developers.

[Waterloo_Guy]

Hmmm. You've piqued my curiosity. I wish we had more info. Where exactly is this?

[Bisonblight]

Are you refering to the Royal Canadian Military Institute? It's just south of Dundas. Two storey building with two cannons in front. Isn't that historical?

[Dino Domingo]

That'd be sweet. Another tall one (Shangri-La being the other) on the same street!

Keep 'em coming... line up University Avenue!

[valantino]

^^wasn't always the same street


50 storeys sounds incredible tall considering the mid-rise stature of Village by the Grange a short block away - then again , the village is a short block away from University

Oh well ... we'll have to wait and see what becomes of this 50 storey rumour as intentions often change before something gets built or not

[Filip]

V of E has done it again - btw I must ask since, you know... So what happened to Manulife or the Richmond Adelaide Centre?

[Taller, Better]

Are you refering to the Royal Canadian Military Institute? It's just south of Dundas. Two storey building with two cannons in front. Isn't that historical?

Hmmm.... it will have to be sensitively done.. I'd hate to see that building get ruined. It is a GEM inside, as well as highly attractive out. Not as elegant an exterior as the University Club, but there are damned few exteriors in Toronto as elegant as that beauty.

[phunky]

Hmmm. You've piqued my curiosity. I wish we had more info. Where exactly is this?
http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=43.654194~-79.388211&style=h&lvl=19&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&encType=1

[VikkyD]

sounds exciting! whats in the building now?...

[Bisonblight]

Check out the link ... a picture and the buildings history ... assuming this what V of E is talking about.

http://www.rcmi.org/eng/pub/1/page3.asp?t=1&p=3

[Waterloo_Guy]

http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=43.654194~-79.388211&style=h&lvl=19&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&encType=1

Thanks again, phunky. :)

[V of E]

Reply to Filip.

(1) In regard to the Military club the deal will be that the developer, the one that has the inside track I know but can't reveal at this time, will assume all the costs of development and buy the air rights to the land from the club. Of course the deal is more complex than that but thats the basic principle.

(2) Richmond Adelaide Centre - As you probably know the building is being re configured with the tower being moved further north to Richmond with the bulk of the new building going were that ugly indoor parking garage is. They had a lead tenant lined up and demolishion /construction was scheduled for the third quarter of this year. Apparentley late last year the potential lead tenant was approached by the Blackstone group out of New York and was offered lead tenant space in it's new Bay/Richmond complex as this new yet to be announced development has a Bay Street address.

Currently there is a lot of behind the scenes wheeling and dealing going on with the Bay-Sheppard-Richmond -Temerence block. Blackstone just purchased 56 Temperence St. This is the small building Stinson had an option on when he was going with his original 1,100ft. Sapphire Tower.
The Blackstone group want to maximize the height of their building at the southwest corner of Bay and Richmond and are trying to buy up as much as possible within that block to increase site density and translate it into a taller tower on the corner.

With respect to the Richmond Adelaide Centre it will be built and end up a much better development encompassing the whole block from Richmond to Adelaide. By the way there are still at least two more office developments to be announced this year that are going to be built in downtown Toronto.

In case you are wondering how all this new space is going to get rented there are currently five or six companies in Toronto or coming to Toronto looking to put their name on a 600,000 -1,000,000 sq. ft. building.

(3) Manulife Centre - I don't know why but I seemed to take a lot of flack for this from certain members of the Urban Toronto Forum. I don't have any further updates other than what I reported to you last fall when I had lunch in Miami with Ott and Chen. Carlos I am sure knows who the architect is but he isn't saying . As I previosly said I think it's Foster but thats just my educated guess based on the few facts I know. This project, and I honestly don't know why, is really hush hush. Right now all I can tell you is it's a mixed use tower over 1000ft. and it's going south of Queen Street.

I personally do not have the time to ferret out information on projects the way some of the more industrious members of the forums do as I have a substantial business to run here in Dallas. However I am still very well connected in the architectural & development world and when I receive relevent information on Toronto projects I will gladly pass it on.

It's funny but it was at that lunch that Chen told me Shangri La was actually going to be 704ft tall not the the 740ft I had reported (from information given me by the VP of Westbank) when I first broke the news about the hotel being built in Toronto. It just goes to show you how even the people in the know sometimes don't even know all the facts.

[G_DOG]

wow ,thats a lot of interesting behind the scenes info.

[Filip]

Wow.. Thank you so much V of E! Again this is enough for me to speculate for the next few months! Thanks again.. your updates are always appreciated!:)

[outinleftfield]

Oh, please God, let that happen! A 1000+ footer would be an incredible addition to the skyline! Are we to hear more this year?

:banana:

[Filip]

Oh, please God, let that happen! A 1000+ footer would be an incredible addition to the skyline! Are we to hear more this year?

:banana:

You haven't been around last year have you?:lol:

Admittedly thank you again V of E - you've dropped a couple of bombshells in terms of the 5 to 6 companies looking to put their names on significantly large buildings, I can't even guess what they are but here's to the best!:cheers:

[Waterloo_Guy]

Thanks, V of E. That's a lot to think about. Wow!

[Waterloo_Guy]

Just had a thought about Manulife. South of Queen? I'll wager they're looking at the site on the other side of the CBC where the power station is now. I don't know what it would cost to do that, but it would be perfect; and it's the only site south of Queen where a tower like that really makes sense to me.

That's my prediction.

[nitzomoe]

wow, it looks like we have a fully fledged office boom on our hands.

[Filip]

^^Indeed we do - the Bay/Richmond Centre sounds interesting - but I'm trying to figure out where all those buildings would stand.. Guess more facadectomies coming right up! Waterloo!! I just realized something, south of Queen = that Bay st. site where the fabled rendering showed a mixed-use 1000+ footer... In front of the ACC... Anyway, I hope this is the 80's all over again! Bring on the towers left right and centre!

[V of E]

Probably the largest prime site for development close to the core is University & Front. The whole block, from Wellington to Front between University and Simcoe. You can see the very large parking lot on the Simcoe side when viewing the contruction photos of the Royal Bank/Ritz development. The two buildings on the block, older warehouse types, are about 10-12 storeys tall and pose no historical obstacles. This site if assembled could support a massive development. A landmark tower at the bottom of University would I think be very desirable and most certainly be an imposing beacon as you drive down University Ave. The parking lot alone on Simcoe could support a couple of large towers.

[Waterloo_Guy]

^^Indeed we do - the Bay/Richmond Centre sounds interesting - but I'm trying to figure out where all those buildings would stand.. Guess more facadectomies coming right up! Waterloo!! I just realized something, south of Queen = that Bay st. site where the fabled rendering showed a mixed-use 1000+ footer... In front of the ACC... Anyway, I hope this is the 80's all over again! Bring on the towers left right and centre!

45 Bay! I thought of that, but I'm wondering if south of Queen means just south?

Good call though. That could be it. Imagine if they go with the rendering we saw?!!

[Bisonblight]

Probably the largest prime site for development close to the core is University & Front. The whole block, from Wellington to Front between University and Simcoe. You can see the very large parking lot on the Simcoe side when viewing the contruction photos of the Royal Bank/Ritz development. The two buildings on the block, older warehouse types, are about 10-12 storeys tall and pose no historical obstacles.

I've always wondered about the existing buildings on that site. The parking lot alone could accommodate a significant building. I agree, probably the best spot for significant expansion of the CBD.

Thanks for all the insight V of E. Of course, now I've got to sit here picking my nose waiting for more.

[CrazyCanuck]

Thanks VofE, it looks like 2007 will be another exciting year. I was kind of expecting a down year, but it looks like 2007 might be one of the best yet.

[monkeyronin]

What's all this white stuff on my pants?

[Filip]

What's all this white stuff on my pants?

....Snow.. It's cold outside

[valantino]

The two buildings on the block, older warehouse types, are about 10-12 storeys tall and pose no historical obstacles.

6 floors a piece and protected still the block has lots of potential and one of the few that can potentially support a new tallest

a 1000 footer on 45 bay is a marketer's pipedream - impossible is to strong a word but I wouldn't expect anything over the roughly 600 foot limit

[Waterloo_Guy]

What's all this white stuff on my pants?

Sorry about that.

[monkeyronin]

....Snow.. It's cold outside

Good to know.

Sorry about that.

Don't worry, it's V of E's fault.. rumours of a 300m Foster Manulife can do things like that. :)

[Filip]

Who wants to start speculating on the 5-6 firms wanting to lease out that much office space? I have currently zilch ideas...

[Taller, Better]

Very interesting, but I pray it is not Foster who is the architect. I'm a bit
o.d.'d on Foster, personally.
Pix of the Military Institute:


http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/1491/imgp1988mg0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/2106/imgp1987iqi9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[valantino]

I'm a bit
o.d.'d on Foster, personally.


agreed and we a Foster already. I'd rather see some unknown architect/firm brought in to wooo North America like a Calatrava in the early 90s

[Taller, Better]

agreed and we a Foster already. I'd rather see some unknown architect/firm brought in to wooo North America like a Calatrava in the early 90s

that is precisely what is needed. However, Foster is better than a kick in the goolies with
a pair of steel toed boots.

[Filip]

Hey with Foster and Manulife's budget we'd get something monumental! Though I agree, there are far more interesting architects around, but then again, why not have a 80-storey Foster? It sure beats WZMH

[Taller, Better]

By the way, thanks for dropping in, Vof E.... nice to hear that info! :)

[valantino]

Hey with Foster and Manulife's budget we'd get something monumental!

Foster's firm is looking more and more like SOM everyday - high standard of design but lacking the drama & ingenuity of previous work . It doesn't help either that the senior partner responsible for the Gherkin and many other world renowned work has parted to try on his own

but like Filip said, better than another WZMH and at 80 storeys, tops 'The Bow' (rubs hands together )

[Taller, Better]

at 80 storeys, tops 'The Bow' (rubs hands together )

There will be much gnashing of teeth and sharpening of swords over at SSP
from the large Calgary contingent!!

[Filip]

^^:D I chuckle at the prospect!:P

Anyway we just have to wait and see...

[Taller, Better]

^^:D I chuckle at the prospect!:P

Anyway we just have to wait and see...

Yes, V of E has given us a nice big juicy T bone steak to chew on for awhile.

[valantino]

yeah ... not only a taller Foster but one that is more than a big fat diamond encrusted horseshoe. Would put them who think Foster, himself, is the only quality designer out there back in their place, eh?

[Grey Towers]

I hope all this rumour-mongering isn't much ado about nothing, as it usually is.

[Filip]

Lets hope not... V of E has a great track record..

Anyway, lets see: I walked by the "proposed" site by Waterloo_Guy over on Front and University... Hey that could make an awesome complex if done right... Basically, the old buildings can be facadectomized. The one fronting University can be set back 10 metres or so to accomodate a large glass atrium in front and over it.. While the other one can be turned to face inward into a large covered square... Hey when you have the materials do what is proven right! (Heritage Square @ BCE Place)... The tower can be built at the corner of Front and Simcoe... Man what an awesome sight that would be.

[phunky]

Lets hope not... V of E has a great track record..

Anyway, lets see: I walked by the "proposed" site by Waterloo_Guy over on Front and University... Hey that could make an awesome complex if done right... Basically, the old buildings can be facadectomized. The one fronting University can be set back 10 metres or so to accomodate a large glass atrium in front and over it.. While the other one can be turned to face inward into a large covered square... Hey when you have the materials do what is proven right! (Heritage Square @ BCE Place)... The tower can be built at the corner of Front and Simcoe... Man what an awesome sight that would be.
So what is his track record?

[Filip]

So what is his track record?

The two off the top of my head is accurately announcing when an announcement for the Bay Adelaide would be made and originally announcing the Shangri La MONTHS before a peep was even heard from it... Accurately giving details such as the University facade and such...

[Taller, Better]

And no one has taken as much negative flak in these threads as V of E.
Things he has said has been met with skepticism and a measure of hostility.

[Grey Towers]

I meant no ill will towards anyone here at all. We are all here for the same reason: skyscrapers. I am, however, getting tired of a city and its leaders that/who seldom fail to disappoint in this area.

[Taller, Better]

I meant no ill will towards anyone here at all. We are all here for the same reason: skyscrapers. I am, however, getting tired of a city and its leaders that/who seldom fail to disappoint in this area.

Probably time to move on and experience life elsewhere, Grey Towers! There is a big world out there and you are obviously not happy here. :cheers:

[monkeyronin]

Uh.. the city's leaders don't build skyscrapers, dude.

[Filip]

Uh.. the city's leaders don't build skyscrapers, dude.

Depends where you live.. I know a few, that shall remain unnamed, Sheikhdoms where it works out actually...;)

[Taller, Better]

Depends where you live.. I know a few, that shall remain unnamed, Sheikhdoms where it works out actually...;)

and lots of soviet cities where it didn't! ;)

[valantino]

I'm here for the urban experience which doesn't necessarily include skyscrapers however how many cities outside of Asia have ten 500 footers under construction and at least an equal amount of 400 footers

[Dino Domingo]

Good to know.



Don't worry, it's V of E's fault.. rumours of a 300m Foster Manulife can do things like that. :)

Um, guys, these are buildings, not people.

[Grey Towers]

Uh.. the city's leaders don't build skyscrapers, dude.
Appreciate the edifying clarification, dude. Obviously city leaders don't personally finance or build tall buildings, but they do help create a climate in which large projects are met with either accommodating encouragement or prohibitive rules and off-putting ambivalence.
Probably time to move on and experience life elsewhere, Grey Towers! There is a big world out there and you are obviously not happy here.
I don't think I would be any less unhappy anywhere else, as my disposition is psychological in nature, not situational. This city has many wonderful aspects, but also many infuriating ones, including an inferiority complex and a sense of inertia and uncertainty at the government level in re: purpose and planning for the future.
Just my view of things, though admittedly coloured by melancholy.

[valantino]

Obviously city leaders don't personally finance or build tall buildings, but they do help create a climate in which large projects are met with either accommodating encouragement or prohibitive rules and off-putting ambivalence.


have you considered Houston?


Just my view of things, though admittedly coloured by melancholy.


agree

[Taller, Better]

Appreciate the edifying clarification, dude. Obviously city leaders don't personally finance or build tall buildings, but they do help create a climate in which large projects are met with either accommodating encouragement or prohibitive rules and off-putting ambivalence.

I don't think I would be any less unhappy anywhere else, as my disposition is psychological in nature, not situational. This city has many wonderful aspects, but also many infuriating ones, including an inferiority complex and a sense of inertia and uncertainty at the government level in re: purpose and planning for the future.
Just my view of things, though admittedly coloured by melancholy.

Inertia?! Toronto? I know of few cities that are evolving as fast as Toronto
and it is in the middle of an unprecedented building boom. I am shocked that anyone would consider Toronto to be inert.

It is true far too many people here imagine everything in Toronto to be inferior to what they saw elsewhere on vacation once. Low self esteem, I suppose, a sort of ugly duckling complex. It is
a bizarre attitude. When I meet people like that I normally just avoid them.
In any case I hope you find your way out of your current disposition very quickly! :)

[duff+eglin]

We are all here for the same reason: skyscrapers. I am, however, getting tired of a city and its leaders that/who seldom fail to disappoint in this area.

Obviously city leaders don't personally finance or build tall buildings, but they do help create a climate in which large projects are met with either accommodating encouragement or prohibitive rules and off-putting ambivalence.


I admit I am not the ultimate history buff so, Grey Towers, maybe you could help me. Which skyscrapers failed to come to fruition recently because of the government's discouraging actions/attitude?

Thanks.

[Taller, Better]

He is probably talking about Sapphire. Should Toronto drop its approval system and allow each and every building that is proposed to go up? Is the attempt to control development just nimbyism? Should we be like Dubai and let anything be built?

[Mike in TO]

Sapphire wouldn't have been built regardless of the approval situation.

Toronto is a better city for the planning regime that we currently have - it's not perfect, but it obviously works fairly well considering the quality of life, livability and strong private enterprise led housing boom throughout the GTA.

[Taller, Better]

Sapphire wouldn't have been built regardless of the approval situation.

Toronto is a better city for the planning regime that we currently have - it's not perfect, but it obviously works fairly well considering the quality of life, livability and strong private enterprise led housing boom throughout the GTA.

I know, but after Sapphire being turned down a lot of people started blaming the city for being anti-development. A city with no control over its plannning is asking for trouble.

[monkeyronin]

Um, guys, these are buildings, not people.

Thanks for clarifying that, bud.

Appreciate the edifying clarification, dude. Obviously city leaders don't personally finance or build tall buildings, but they do help create a climate in which large projects are met with either accommodating encouragement or prohibitive rules and off-putting ambivalence.

And in the case of the Richmond-Adelaide or a 300m Manulife tower, the fates of these are determined by the whims of the company. The city is not involved in choosing the architect or the height, only approving what they present. And I see know evidence of the city being against such developments.

This city has many wonderful aspects, but also many infuriating ones, including an inferiority complex and a sense of inertia

Inertia: inertness, esp. with regard to effort, motion, action, and the like; inactivity; sluggishness.

Toronto: Highrises U/C - 104, Proposed/Approved - 284

:dunno:

[yin_yang]

I know, but after Sapphire being turned down a lot of people started blaming the city for being anti-development. A city with no control over its plannning is asking for trouble.

well a building in that place should be able to be as tall as what was proposed...the shadow over city stuff is kind of bullshit. let it shadow over for half an hour, not going to make much of a difference.

[valantino]

^^everyone has a right to an opinion but preventing future shadows over a landmark facility such as NPS is hardly bullshit and neither is allowing FAR to that of the original Sapphire good planning on what is a property essentially facing a laneway.

And I'm sure once the dust has settled, Rocp 3's design will be significantly better even if (heaven forbid ) it is lower in stature

[yin_yang]

^^everyone has a right to an opinion but preventing future shadows over a landmark facility such as NPS is hardly bullshit and neither is allowing FAR to that of the original Sapphire good planning on what is a property essentially facing a laneway.

And I'm sure once the dust has settled, Rocp 3's design will be significantly better even if (heaven forbid ) it is lower in stature

aw come on, how many cities have shadows over their city halls? ours is a big concrete jungle. if it was a park there would be a bit more debate, but a shadow for a few minutes (wasn't it something like SIX???)...some concrete floor blocks cooling down for a little bit is a meh arguement.

[valantino]

too bad we can't build them like Dubai

on second thought ...

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a234/mark3333/dubai1.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a234/mark3333/dubai2.jpg

[valantino]

aw come on, how many cities have shadows over their city halls? it's a big concrete jungle. if it was a park there would be a bit more debate, but a shadow for a few minutes (wasn't it something like SIX???)...some concrete floor blocks cooling down for a little bit is a meh arguement

Most recognized cities have strict shadowing laws on their public places. Also, you're not thinking this through - one exception quickly becomes a forgotten bylaw and a few minutes becomes perpetual twillight

[phunky]

too bad we can't build them like Dubai

on second thought ...

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a234/mark3333/dubai1.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a234/mark3333/dubai2.jpg
OMG! Which development in Dubai was that for?

[Grey Towers]

I was clearly referring to the municipal government when I spoke of inertia, not the growth of the city or the city's vitality...or lack thereof:
...sense of inertia and uncertainty at the government level...
It just seems to me there are critical projects - like the waterfront revival - that are moving at a snail's pace because, in part, they lack powerful, conspicuous advocates. I voted for Miller, but I don't think I would again. Maybe it's the drudgery, disappointment, and funding-crises of day-to-day governing, but he has become weary and unconvincing. Something like the waterfront, for instance, should be done now, not timidly discussed into the ground as it has been for decades. Just do it. It can't be any worse than the toxic wasteland that's there now. That's all I'm saying. I would just like to, for once, see something accomplished around here with some urgency and drive.

As for skyscrapers, maybe I'm naive (some of you have more first-hand knowledge about procedure, and so on), but it mystifies me that, in this city that is seeing unprecedented growth, masses of medium-size towers are going up, but virtually nothing over 800 ft. I acknowledge it's a silly fixation, but we are at a place skyscrapercity.com after all. And one of the few genuinely tall proposals (Sapphire), whatever one thought of the design, was denied by council because of shadows. Shadows? This is a city.

[phunky]

I would just like to, for once, see something accomplished around here with some urgency and drive.

I could not agree more.

[valantino]

but it mystifies me that, in this city that is seeing unprecedented growth, masses of medium-size towers are going up, but virtually nothing over 800 ft.

convince developers that opportunity outweighs additional risk of going that tall

And one of the few genuinely tall proposals (Sapphire), whatever one thought of the design, was denied by council because of shadows. Shadows? This is a city.

exactly ... it is a city and not the bland concrete jungle a few, argueably, living outside of it wish it to become

Shadows weren't the only concern with regards to Sapphire of which the 15 storey podium parkade sticks out in my mind after recently spending a lot of time in Chicago

[valantino]

It just seems to me there are critical projects - like the waterfront revival - that are moving at a snail's pace because, in part, they lack powerful, conspicuous advocates. I voted for Miller, but I don't think I would again. Maybe it's the drudgery, disappointment, and funding-crises of day-to-day governing, but he has become weary and unconvincing. Something like the waterfront, for instance, should be done now, not timidly discussed into the ground as it has been for decades. Just do it. It can't be any worse than the toxic wasteland that's there now. That's all I'm saying. I would just like to, for once, see something accomplished around here with some urgency and drive.


The waterfront revival is moving remarkably fast considering the scope of plan with several projects u/c and/or completed (for example: Cityplace was in planning for 8 years before the sales office broke ground) Expecting a Dubai or Shanghai pace is completely unrealistic or good city building

P.S. final phase soil sampling on West Donlands today - the first phase of buildings can't be far behind

[Grey Towers]

In any case I hope you find your way out of your current disposition very quickly! :)
Sorry, but I neglected to add a thank you for the kind thoughts. It has been a long time since things were normal.

[Jackhammer]

I was clearly referring to the municipal government when I spoke of inertia, not the growth of the city or the city's vitality...or lack thereof:

It just seems to me there are critical projects - like the waterfront revival - that are moving at a snail's pace because, in part, they lack powerful, conspicuous advocates. I voted for Miller, but I don't think I would again. Maybe it's the drudgery, disappointment, and funding-crises of day-to-day governing, but he has become weary and unconvincing. Something like the waterfront, for instance, should be done now, not timidly discussed into the ground as it has been for decades. Just do it. It can't be any worse than the toxic wasteland that's there now. That's all I'm saying. I would just like to, for once, see something accomplished around here with some urgency and drive.

You think the waterfront revival is moving at a snail's pace? Clearly, you fail to comprehend the scope of the projects. The TWRC has done a tremendous amount of work to date. You have to understand these projects must move through phases. Environmental Assessments alone can take close to a couple of years. The TWRC has lived up to its promises to date as far as I am concerned. You sound young enough that you should be around in 10 years to enjoy the transformation. I think in this case it is better to do it right than to rush it.

[Taller, Better]

The waterfront has become the poster child for blaming the City of Toronto for not moving fast enough. Few seem to grasp the enormity of the project, and the difficulty obtaining funds for it all. Hume can go on ranting and raving and writing his weekly columns "WHY IS HARBOURFRONT NOT FINISHED THIS WEEK????" all he wants, but this project is going to take some time. All the pressure to hurry up has the city pushing things like Project Symphony to be built, and the same people who say the city is moving too slow then say the city is pushing too fast.

Sorry, but I neglected to add a thank you for the kind thoughts. It has been a long time since things were normal.

Hang in there, Grey Towers!

[yin_yang]

in a decade, think of what that is being built and will be built...it should bring a huge grin to your face now...bam, instant results.

[InTheBeach]

Sorry, but I neglected to add a thank you for the kind thoughts. It has been a long time since things were normal.

I think you should create a new user ID and become an unapologetic Toronto cheerleader. It's all the rage!

Here are some ID suggestions:

#1TOfan
HighonTO
TOSpunkMonkey
BubblyinTO
BonerforTO
Torontoblewme....away
TOSpinDoc
TOTripper
...

[Waterloo_Guy]

lol

[Jaye101]

Anything?

[Canadian Chocho]

What is this anyways?

[Canadian Chocho]

No wonder I did not see this. It was first posted on my b-day last year and I was on the of a mountain watching TFC win their first game.

[CrazyCanuck]

The waterfront revival is moving remarkably fast considering the scope of plan with several projects u/c and/or completed (for example: Cityplace was in planning for 8 years before the sales office broke ground) Expecting a Dubai or Shanghai pace is completely unrealistic or good city building

P.S. final phase soil sampling on West Donlands today - the first phase of buildings can't be far behind

1 year later, lol.

[Parkdalian]

wow, it looks like we have a fully fledged office boom on our hands.

same said for the Condo Boom
check out this article http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=552959