The Swaminarayan Mandir | Completed | Temple | Etobicoke; Rexdale

[KGB]

Coming to a 400 series highway near you..............




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Serenity that's set in stone

Jul 07, 2007 04:30 AM
Christopher Hume
Urban Affairs Columnist

Welcome to the new Canada.

Now taking shape at Highway 427 and Finch Ave., it comes in the form of one of the most extraordinary buildings ever seen in this country. Though the name, Swaminarayan Mandir, won't mean much to most Canadians, no one, not even those speeding by in cars and trucks, could help but notice this remarkable structure.

It stands out, to say the least, especially in this dismal suburban/industrial landscape at the north end of the city. Indeed, one's first reaction is to the surreality of the whole thing – a full-blown Hindu temple complex on the side of a highway to nowhere.

Of course, that was part of the plan; the local Hindu community (there are 191,305 Hindus in Toronto, according to Statistics Canada), which paid for the $40 million building without any public or foundation funding and provided 400 volunteer workers, wants the world to know it has arrived. By constructing such a building at such a site, there's no chance its presence will go unnoticed. Nor should it be; a project such as this happens once in a lifetime, in Canada, only once in many lifetimes.

To those of us raised on an architectural diet of steel, glass and brick, it will come a shock to discover that there are people in the world who still know how to build with a hammer and chisel. And not just build, but create structures of the most amazing beauty and complexity.

The Swaminarayan complex is a building that can be read almost like a book; it relates a narrative and speaks to users and visitors much as early cathedrals once spoke to Christians. The iconography here is not about heaven and hell, however, reward and retribution, but about peace and pleasure.

Walls and ceilings are embellished with carved figures, both human and animal – everything from dancing women to elephants and peacocks. These are images of welcome, sensual but also serene.

The fact that every element, big and small, is carved in stone, only makes the effect that much more astonishing. Indeed, the temple is a monument to skills largely lost in our mechanized age.

The materials – marble from India and Italy, limestone from Turkey – were shipped first to a series of villages in India where they were sculpted into their final form.

The pieces were then transported to Toronto to be assembled.

Given that there were more than 24,000 individual parts, this was no mean feat.

As project manager, engineer Naren Sachdev, one of many who have donated their time and expertise to the building of the temple, explains, each piece was marked with a bar code to facilitate construction.

This unique combination of ancient techniques and modern technology, which complement one another much more naturally than one might expect, allowed the complex to be finished in record time.

The project started in 2005 and opens officially in two weeks. Because work stopped during winter, actual construction time was only 18 months.

Despite the use of computers and high-tech equipment, the building itself could have been constructed several millennia ago.

The walls, for example, are all load-bearing; there's no steel skeleton here holding the whole thing up.

In fact, no steel was used at all, it's stone piled on stone. The columns, of which there are 340, are solid rock (and rock solid).

Even the delicately curved interiors of the domes are sculpted from marble and held in place with stone keys.

The building, Sachdev points out, will last a thousand years; but the mechanical systems, all as contemporary as can be, will need replacing within 25 years.

To enter the mandir, visitors climb a large stairwell that leads to an entrance balcony. Exterior flows effortlessly into interior; both have equal importance and are part of the same story.

Even the balustrades are made of carved stone.

What's interesting here is how decoration isn't applied to the building, but how it becomes the building.

The intention is to create an environment that refers to the world beyond, nature, but one that's set apart, a space of contemplation and spiritual awareness.

The visitor is engaged at every level, it is a total experience.

Even as workers hammer, grind and saw, the building manages to mesmerize.

In the midst of the chaos of construction, one can feel a sense of serenity.

Here is an encapsulation of the universe itself, as well as a microcosm of human existence.

Beneath the mandir, at ground level, is the Indo-Canadian Museum of Cultural Heritage.

This will be the specifically Canadian addition to what is otherwise a traditional complex, a nod to multiculturalism.

"This is a place open to all," says community leader Suresh Thakrar. "That's especially appropriate considering that it's a global project. We also want people to be educated about Indo-Canadians."

"We believe this is a living building, so it has to be built in a certain way," adds Nitya Vivek Swami, a Hindu monk (and computer science grad) who has lived in Toronto since the project began.

He has worked on similar buildings in Houston, Chicago and London.

Though members will have to raise even more money than they already have, the land around the temple will eventually contain a large garden, something that will help root the temple in its site, however strange it may seem now.

"The cost has been kept down by a lot of in-kind labour offered by volunteers," says volunteer Roy Patel. "We had to bring as many as 100 stone artisans and sompura (architects) from India to work on the project. We would appreciate any government financing, but so far none has been forthcoming."

That's something he might want to raise with Prime Minister Stephen Harper, Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty and Toronto Mayor David Miller when they attend the opening ceremonies on July 22.

Inevitably, the complex will exert a powerful influence on its surroundings, immediate and more far-flung.

Things won't change overnight, but don't forget, first we shape our buildings, and then they shape us.




Can't wait for this to be completed....will make for one hell of a Doors Open picture fest for sure. I always wondered what that was when passing it on the 427. What a pleasant out-of-the-blue surprise for the city.

Thanks Hindu community of Toronto...what an amazing contribution you have made to the city with this structure.




KGB

[phunky]

They want the world to notice it, but they build it on a "highway to nowhere"?

[KGB]

Well, "nowhere" must be a popular place, considering how many people are heading there.

Anyway...that's the only comment you could come up with?





KGB

[VikkyD]

saw this one on the cover of the star today. its beautiful. absolutely stunning, the amount of authenticity this project has, its absolutely wonderful, who cares where it is anyways, its a magnificent piece of architecture.

[Taller, Better]

It looks amazing in that photo... wish it were closer to downtown but I understand why it was built out there. Would be fantastic to be able to easily visit it... but its main purpose is to serve its community. Thanks for posting this, KGB.. I had no idea it existed! :cheers:

[Dream Brother]

It's such a beautiful building but they picked one of the worst areas of the city. Rexdale? Come on.

[phunky]

Well, "nowhere" must be a popular place, considering how many people are heading there.

Anyway...that's the only comment you could come up with?

KGB
I was quoting the article which YOU posted. If you don't want people to comment on your threads, then don't post them?
It's such a beautiful building but they picked one of the worst areas of the city. Rexdale? Come on.
The majority of people that will be using the temple live in that area.

[KGB]

If you don't want people to comment on your threads, then don't post them?


What gives you the impression I didn't want anyone to comment on the thread????

Make any comment you like...I just don't recall giving any guarantees that my responses to negative comments would be favourable. And if YOU can't deal with that...then don't post YOUR comments. I'm a fair guy...I don't ask people to limit their responses, but expect them to understand it works both ways.

God, you're a moody little bugger. LOL




KGB

[Taller, Better]

Bought a Star today, as they had an excellent photo on the front page. It is amazing looking. Most of the stone work was done in India and shipped over. It opens at the end of July. By hook or by crook I will convince one of my friends with a car to drive me out there to take pix... it is amazing.

[phunky]

What gives you the impression I didn't want anyone to comment on the thread????

Make any comment you like...I just don't recall giving any guarantees that my responses to negative comments would be favourable. And if YOU can't deal with that...then don't post YOUR comments. I'm a fair guy...I don't ask people to limit their responses, but expect them to understand it works both ways.

God, you're a moody little bugger. LOL




KGB
I wasn't being negative, just pointing out the contradiction of the article and the building itself.

I like the building, it's nice. Is that better? :rofl:

[Jaye101]

Childish.

[bar1967]

It is an amazing thing to see. I just passed by it on the weekend.

[phunky]

So I see those are quite the stairs in the front. Do they have to make this building wheelchair accessible?

[KGB]

Well, there does appear to be a ground floor (stairs go to the 2nd floor), which probably has a door...which one could most likely wheel a chair through.




KGB

[kettal]

The reason so many Indians live in Rexdale is because it's so close to the airport. or something.

[phunky]

That's what I've been told. A lot of immigrants like to settle close to the airport, because that's their connection to "home". Even though home is now Canada.

[kettal]

Well when relatives visit it's easier too.

[monkeyronin]

...Or its because Rexdale is cheap, and most immigrants aren't swimming in cash?

[walli]

A fabulous addition to the city! Wonderful!

While the speculation of why it is one place or another is interesting, I think the building itself, and the community that has initiated this endeavor, deserve focus. It is inspiring and adds to the diversity and plurality within Toronto's landscape. I hope people do not see such things as creations of immigrants, and rather, see them as inspired by the diversity which is Toronto.

[InTheBeach]

A fabulous addition to the city! Wonderful!

While the speculation of why it is one place or another is interesting, I think the building itself, and the community that has initiated this endeavor, deserve focus. It is inspiring and adds to the diversity and plurality within Toronto's landscape. I hope people do not see such things as creations of immigrants, and rather, see them as inspired by the diversity which is Toronto.


I agree 100%. It is great to see a critical mass forming for many groups in the city, allowing projects like this to happen. This true for religious groups, ethnic groups, and lifestyle groups.

It is great to be able to immerse yourself in so many different worlds without even leaving your area code.

[harsh1802]

Hmmm...looks cool.

But is it going to be this big!?


http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=370653

:)

[harsh1802]

Another link...

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=287153

[KGB]

No, I suppose that one is more impressive....but the purpose of the thread was not to a "vs" one. One would expect impressive Indian cultural buildings to be in the capital city of India...not industrial Rexdale.




KGB

[harsh1802]

^^ Sorry mate...i just wanted you folks to take a look at it. That is it.

Didn't want to start off a showdown btw those two structures...

[Skybean]

Wow. This is a great complex. Amazing details. Place this picture in Guess the City and no one would know!

[phunky]

I'd like to see a picture of it against a blue sky.

[Tuscani01]

It looks great! I used to take the 427 to the 407 for work and saw this back when it looked nothing like it does now. It sure has come a long way. Im thinking of taking the 427 tomorrow just to check it out now!

[FISHTAILS]

...Or its because Rexdale is cheap, and most immigrants aren't swimming in cash?

The reason why the temple went there was because of accessability and parking. As you might know, there is another Hindu temple up in Brampton, on Gore Rd. or Goreway rd, however its a pain in the ass to get their unless you live in Brampton.

If you look at the Rexdale area its surrounded by lots of highways 409,407,401 etc. As to parking, on weekends its easy to find parking in a industrial area. Have you ever gone to church on Sundays in a residential area, you can't find parking.

[yyzer]

some pics from the opening......wow.......

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Harper officially opens elaborate Hindu temple
CTV.ca News Staff

After 18 months of construction and millions in fundraising efforts, a one-of-a-kind Hindu temple opened Sunday in Toronto.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper was on-hand to celebrate the official unveiling of the BAPS Shri Swaminarayan Mandir.

Harper said the $40 million architectural marvel represents India's and Canada's embracement of spiritual and ethnic pluralism.

"Canada's accommodation of diversity is not without precedent," Harper said, addressing a large crowd.


"There have been forerunners -- and of these perhaps none is as note-worthy as India."

Located at Hwy 427 and Finch Avenue in north-west Toronto, the temple is an architectural masterpiece. Built with Turkish limestone and Italian marble, the temple was built by artisans armed with chisels, hammers and ancient Hindu doctrine outlining how a holy place should be constructed.

The entire project was created by the Hindu community both in Canada and in India. About 2,000 Indian craftsmen were hired to bring the temple to life. About 100 were brought to Toronto to construct the temple while about 1,800 were hired in India to carve out some of the intricate, detailed carvings that adorn the temple.

Harper said the fruit of the community's labour will give people a glimpse into how Indo-Canadians have influenced Canada's cultural mosaic.

"The facility will inspire visitors to appreciate how the spiritually diverse, multi-ethnic heritage of indo-Canadians has contributed to the fields of arts, science, education and pluralism," Harper said.

Here are some details about the massive project:

More than 24,000 pieces of the temple were sculpted in India -- with each of the parts marked with a bar code to facilitate construction.
The project started in 2005 and opens officially on July 22, 2007.
No steel was used in the construction. It is all stone piled on stone.
Not only did the Hindu community raise the majority of the $40 million it took to build the temple, they also served up 400 volunteers to help the project along. They did it all without asking a cent from the government.

The celebration started early Saturday afternoon with a procession in the downtown core.

Starting at 4 p.m. on the grounds of Queen's Park, a colourful parade made its way down to Wellington St. complete with music and dancers.

The parade carried several idols that were to be indoctrinated in the temple Sunday morning. It was meant as a symbolic gesture to introduce the deities to the city, their new land.

BAPS, which stands for Bochasanwasi Shri Akshar Purushottam Swaminarayan Sanstha, has an international following. The temple will not only offer religious services to the community, it will also hold classes and the Canadian Museum of Cultural Heritage of Indo-Canadians.

[Jai]

Here are some pics of the opening ceremony, from (copyright) la boo @ flicker (http://flickr.com/photos/snooshie/), who did a great job covering it. It's a pity pictures aren't allowed inside the temple, as the inside is even more intricate if you can believe.

-Jai

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[phunky]

Nice pics. Their idea of details is so tacky. Gold details on top. Yuck. Nauseating.
Also those stupid frilly things the put around the stairs for the grand opening celebrations. Tacky!

[Prugz]

this is the only good thing my people have done...yet they continue to build other crap like "tdot junction" which i think is a total waste of space.

[yyzer]

Incredible...:)

hard to believe it's in North America...just wonder how it will weather the Canadian winter..

[aberrate]

I think it's very beautiful except for the gold swirls on top, but then they probably have some spiritual significance that I'm not aware of. Some of the pics show the structure without the gold swirls and that pleases me. :p

[phunky]

^^ Exactly. I don't let these people bother me though lol.
I just don't like gold. I find it really tacky in most uses. The only place I've seen it that I've liked it is RBC downtown.

[Taller, Better]

I think it is breathtaking... absolutely amazing. I cannot wait to see it. Is it similar to the ones that were built in London and Chicago?

[Jackie003]

Nice pics. Their idea of details is so tacky. Gold details on top. Yuck. Nauseating.
Also those stupid frilly things the put around the stairs for the grand opening celebrations. Tacky!

Obviously you don't know much about Indian culture and are expressing total nonsense. This building serves a religious function and it looks absolutely amazing for those who are not ignorant to appreciate it. It is not tacky, it mimics the temples of India. Please keep your stupid comments to yourself as I have countless times to your stupid responses for a few years now. There is much worse that could be said about u. You should post a "don't post here" comment or "this thread is useless" post somewhere else forum nazi.

:)

Have a nice day.

[phunky]

I don't CARE about what the building's purpose is or what it stands for. I am simply stating that the gold pinnacles are UGLY.
I could care less what you fucking think. I'm gonna make sure that all of you handing out insults are dealt with. Cuz everytime I've made an insult I've received a warning. And frankly it's high time some of you got some. I'm tired of the insults. I'm just as free to give my opinion on something as you are. That does not make me an idiot or a forum nazi. It just makes you a biggot.

[Jackie003]

I don't CARE about what the building's purpose is or what it stands for. I am simply stating that the gold pinnacles are UGLY.
I could care less what you fucking think. I'm gonna make sure that all of you handing out insults are dealt with. Cuz everytime I've made an insult I've received a warning. And frankly it's high time some of you got some. I'm tired of the insults. I'm just as free to give my opinion on something as you are. That does not make me an idiot or a forum nazi. It just makes you a biggot.

nah actually many ppl on here give their opinions and all u do is cut them up. u don't run these boards so stop acting like u are in control, this board is for everyone. go back and read yur comments (theres tonnes of them that are so idiotic), I am referring to this post tho and u will see how stupid u sound. go back and check. I ain't a biggot so stop the name calling loser ... far from it, I was defending the temple and the hindu religion something which u have no respect for. if u don't like it then shut yur mouth, no need to even comment, its simple stop trying to be an attention whore. do ppl go to churches or mosques and say "that looks ugly"? come on fool, be a lil respectful, that's all.

P.S - stop swearing loserboy, no one wants to read yur verbal diarrheal. another respect issue.

Jebus Christmas. Sorry to everyone else who had to read that.

Ciao

[phunky]

Keep digging yourself further.

I could care less what people think when I comment on a church or a mosque. To me it's just a building. I can critique it all I want. I love this building except for the gold. Why that is such a huge deal, I'm not sure.

[zerokarma]

I drive by this place every day on the 427, looks quite impressive.

[samsonyuen]

Can't wait to see it. Are there special hours for visits?

[Taller, Better]

I drive by this place every day on the 427, looks quite impressive.

Sorry to go briefly off topic, but I just looked at your St Lucia pics.... you stayed at a much better place than we did, and on the "posher" end of the island! Great pix...:cheers:

[Jackie003]

great to see a 5000 year old design come back to the modern age.

[CITY_LOVER]

Nice pics. Their idea of details is so tacky. Gold details on top. Yuck. Nauseating.
Also those stupid frilly things the put around the stairs for the grand opening celebrations. Tacky!

Phunky,

Gold is considered significant in Hindu culture and is used in various cultural events/places like marriages, places of worship, etc. It may look different from what we're used to in the western world but that's part of diversity...the point of this building is not just for aesthetic appeal and the perfect match of color, etc. but a place to meet and pray. To use words such as yuck and nauseating seems a little harsh. And the 'stupid frilly things' are just probably flower 'garlands' that are used in marriages or the opening of new things (such as the temple here) in India. It likely will be removed from the handrails. I wonder why you chose to use words like yuck, nauseating and stupid when you know that there are better ways to show your dislike toward the gold top and the flower garlands?

[phunky]

I would have used the same words for any type of building. It doesn't matter to me what the purpose of the building is. It's just a building in my opinion like any other building.

[elliot]

I wonder why you chose to use words like yuck, nauseating and stupid

I can think of a few reasons.... remember the old adage "you are what you type"? Or was is what you eat...

[Jackie003]

I would have used the same words for any type of building. It doesn't matter to me what the purpose of the building is. It's just a building in my opinion like any other building.

It might not matter to you like u claim phunky, but it does matter to others how u talk about their religions, cultures, etc. No one attacks you personally on your lifestyle now do they?

BTW, you said it doesn't matter to you about what u feel or what others say about u but u are crying when ppl respond to you and even on the other forums you have asked the mods to do something about me when I respond to your ridiculous posts. It means that you actually do care how ppl perceive u so stop acting like it doesn't. Pure drama.

[Skybean]

Great pics!

[phunky]

It might not matter to you like u claim phunky, but it does matter to others how u talk about their religions, cultures, etc. No one attacks you personally on your lifestyle now do they?

BTW, you said it doesn't matter to you about what u feel or what others say about u but u are crying when ppl respond to you and even on the other forums you have asked the mods to do something about me when I respond to your ridiculous posts. It means that you actually do care how ppl perceive u so stop acting like it doesn't. Pure drama.
Wow you just don't give up do you?
The only drama I see here is you ;)

I am NOT talking about religion. I am talking about a building. It's not my fault that you can't distinguish the difference between those two things.

[401_King]

i dont think it looks tacky. its consistent with how hindu temples have been made over the past 4000+ years. its a great piece of work. Some people just don't appreciate.

[Taller, Better]

I finally found pictures of the temples in London and Chicago. The one in Chicago is not so impressive, but the one in London is very similar to this.

[walli]

I finally found pictures of the temples in London and Chicago. The one in Chicago is not so impressive, but the one in London is very similar to this.

I've been to the one in London, and it is spectacular! Interestingly, I had not known about the London one prior to my visit there, but the people who hosted me while on the trip identified it as a must see for any tourist to that great city. Certainly, the same will apply for Toronto, and I hope Torontonians see it that way. Take your guests there - it is something most people will not have seen before, and will project in a positive way to Toronto. It is a significant differentiator for the city, and is evidence of Toronto being a 'world' city!

[Taller, Better]

I can't wait to go... but sadly I must wait to go with someone who owns a car. The only drawback to this marvelous project is that it truly is out in the boonies!!
You can tell it was the same architects who did the London one... very similar. The Chicago one is ok, but seemed to cop out half way through, and finish part of the building in a modern style.

[401_King]

I can't wait to go... but sadly I must wait to go with someone who owns a car. The only drawback to this marvelous project is that it truly is out in the boonies!!


rexdale isnt boonies!

[noob(but not really)]

nah actually many ppl on here give their opinions and all u do is cut them up. u don't run these boards so stop acting like u are in control, this board is for everyone. go back and read yur comments (theres tonnes of them that are so idiotic), I am referring to this post tho and u will see how stupid u sound. go back and check.

Although I don't like a lot of phunky's comments, what he said here wasn't really stupid at all. He was just giving his opinion.



I ain't a biggot so stop the name calling loser


Well, well, looks who's name calling. It's YOU

[Taller, Better]

rexdale isnt boonies!

Oh dear, the boonie vs non boonies controversy again. From what I understood,
this temple is near the airport. In my books, that constitutes the boonies. Further than that is the wilderness. Past that is uncharted territory. You look at life differently when you don't own a car! :)

[401_King]

haha oh man, i consider places like pickering, ajax orangeville boonies....the temple is in a very urban area! but yea, if u dont own a car, ur stuck downtown and its hard to venture out

[CrazyCanuck]

Saw it yesterday, I was very unimpressed with the night lighting, I could barely see it.

[walli]

Saw it yesterday, I was very unimpressed with the night lighting, I could barely see it.

That is a shame! Perhaps they haven't completed implementing the lighting yet? It seemed like they were down to the wire to get it ready for the pre-arranged opening by the PM. I can imagine that the lighting could look spectacular with the white stone, if it was done right. At the same time, perhaps there is a religious significant to being dark at night? I have no idea.

[Jai]

At least for the Chicago temple, they have a pretty extensive (and pretty pretty) lighting system, but due to the high electrical cost, its only fully lit up on special occasions.

[gei]

I don't CARE about what the building's purpose is or what it stands for. I am simply stating that the gold pinnacles are UGLY.
I could care less what you fucking think. I'm gonna make sure that all of you handing out insults are dealt with. Cuz everytime I've made an insult I've received a warning. And frankly it's high time some of you got some. I'm tired of the insults. I'm just as free to give my opinion on something as you are. That does not make me an idiot or a forum nazi. It just makes you a biggot.

Your opinions have become increasingly ignorant and nonsensical rants/insults. Most of your opinions are pretty useless... ie "this is ugly" or "this is tacky" etc etc.

It's obvious to most (non-ignorant) people that you just don't understand this type of architecture and what it symbolizes, and are just "posting out of your ass".

Perhaps if you took the time to investigate why this building was built in the way it was, and what these things you find "tacky" symbolize, you might appreciate it a bit more. But then again, that would be the exact opposite of what an ignorant person would do.

[noob(but not really)]

^^ hey dude, it's a free country. He doesn't HAVE to like it.

[phunky]

LOL wtf is wrong with these people?
A building is a building is a building. The purpose of it is not why I like buildings. Be it a mall, condo, entertainment venue, or religious building.

My point is that I do not like gold. How that is 'ignorant' is beyond me. I don't care that gold is an important part of this religion. That is not ignorant to me. I don't practise religion and am not about to be forced to like something because it is a part of some religion.
So you people can stop trying to shove religion down my throat. It has nothing to do with my dislike for gold.
You're all a bunch of trolls who need to find better things to do.

[gei]

^^ hey dude, it's a free country. He doesn't HAVE to like it.

His comments were something along the lines of "it's tacky". And he was refering to certain artistic/achitectural elements.

Tacky basically means it's without taste. Some of the things he considers tacky are not there for artistic value... ie the red things wrapped around the staircase... they are there for religious signifigance. His comments are therefore pointless/ignorant.

It's like me saying me car having a windshield "tacky". It's a stupid comment that makes no sense. It's not there to serve any artistic purpose. It's there for other reasons.

[isaidso]

Wow, it's marvellous. They are going to get alot of non-Hindus dropping by just to look at it. I'm completely ignorant of religious protocol......will this building be open to the public and if so, can one visit if you have zero religious tendencies....or will people take offence to that?

I'm obviously just interested in the building and observing a culture foreign to me.

[noob(but not really)]

His comments were something along the lines of "it's tacky". And he was refering to certain artistic/achitectural elements.

Tacky basically means it's without taste. Some of the things he considers tacky are not there for artistic value... ie the red things wrapped around the staircase... they are there for religious signifigance. His comments are therefore pointless/ignorant.

It's like me saying me car having a windshield "tacky". It's a stupid comment that makes no sense. It's not there to serve any artistic purpose. It's there for other reasons.

It seems to me like you're looking to be offended and make a big scene of this. Haven't you noticed you're the only one still complaining about this?

Your comments are just as pointless.

You can't expect every single person to like something. Just get over it.

[Mollywood]

Gold? Who would want gold? Don't you know "diamonds are a girls best friend"? Now, if that building was coverd in diamons, now we're talking. :-)

[pancsi]

I never thought I'd be backing Phunky but I do on this one. All the buildings on here a subject to criticism (often harsh) and those buildings are very close to the heart of those behind it (the architect, the developer) and in the case of condominiums the people who ultimately live there. People will dismiss this argument because in this case we are talking about religion, but my point is that it should be no different. If someone feels that a particular building is ugly, regardless of the buildings use, the criticism should be tolerated. To do otherwise contradicts the culture of this county, namely freedom of expression. Although an extreme example, Theo van Gough died at the hands of someone who felt that his movie did not respect the Muslim religion. Phunkys words were harsh but I support his right to express them.

[walli]

I never thought I'd be backing Phunky but I do on this one. All the buildings on here a subject to criticism (often harsh) and those buildings are very close to the heart of those behind it (the architect, the developer) and in the case of condominiums the people who ultimately live there. People will dismiss this argument because in this case we are talking about religion, but my point is that it should be no different. If someone feels that a particular building is ugly, regardless of the buildings use, the criticism should be tolerated. To do otherwise contradicts the culture of this county, namely freedom of expression. Although an extreme example, Theo van Gough died at the hands of someone who felt that his movie did not respect the Muslim religion. Phunkys words were harsh but I support his right to express them.

I agree - lets not turn it into the Spanish Inquisition or an IRA battle royal. At the same time, liberty should not be interpreted as license ... meaning there are some limits (though perhaps we were alright in this case).

Let us move on please, else the parallel examples (of which there are many and for / against just about every group) may end up aggravating someone else! Is that a mark I see? Must be the sign of a witch - we'll have to burn you alive!

[Jaye101]

Drop it.

[Jackie003]

Just got 4 of my posts deleted. consider yourselves lucky u didn't read them Phunky and Noob.

REWR REWR POLICE IS HERE! lol

[Jackie003]

LOL wtf is wrong with these people?
A building is a building is a building. The purpose of it is not why I like buildings. Be it a mall, condo, entertainment venue, or religious building.

My point is that I do not like gold. How that is 'ignorant' is beyond me. I don't care that gold is an important part of this religion. That is not ignorant to me. I don't practise religion and am not about to be forced to like something because it is a part of some religion.
So you people can stop trying to shove religion down my throat. It has nothing to do with my dislike for gold.
You're all a bunch of trolls who need to find better things to do.

We are correcting u thats all. To some the temple is important and u shouldn't go bashing what they believe in to make a statement for the hell of it. You yourself are spazing out because we are correcting u, now u know how others feel. No one is forcing any religion or trying to convert u, stop turning this around. If u feel like leaving SSC like u said in the Canada section, that is your choice man.
The truth hurts sometimes.

P.S. Stop calling everyone trolls.

Ciao, thanks have a great day. :)

[Jaye101]

Okay we all understand how strongly people feel about their respective religions and cultures. For this reason I'm going to request that nobody criticizes this building. It's not a fact of stifling what you think. When people criticize a structure, or anything of that matter that is of another culture, or has significant religious significance disputes will begin, and people will be left unhappy. No one wins.

Just be happy guys. :)

[Mollywood]

Isn't this a forum to discuss architecture and urban development? I guess it's a good place for a bitch fest but I just wanna say, I think this building is wonderful! How often do you see unique buildings like this in North America? You can quibble about not liking little things here or there but over-all, this building looks great. It's a great addition to a bland part of Toronto. I just wish it was somewhere I could get to using TTC, as I am a downtowner who does not drive. To build a temple that is inaccessable to people without cars, is kind of inconsiderate. Aren't there any members of the temple who are poor and can't afford a car? How do they get to the temple?

[Mahratta]

LOL wtf is wrong with these people?
A building is a building is a building. The purpose of it is not why I like buildings. Be it a mall, condo, entertainment venue, or religious building.

My point is that I do not like gold. How that is 'ignorant' is beyond me. I don't care that gold is an important part of this religion. That is not ignorant to me. I don't practise religion and am not about to be forced to like something because it is a part of some religion.
So you people can stop trying to shove religion down my throat. It has nothing to do with my dislike for gold.
You're all a bunch of trolls who need to find better things to do.

Guys, lay off.

he just doesnt like gold, nothing against Hinduism or anything.

Phunky, you really do have to lay off with the 'you are all out to get me' though

[Jackie003]

ok ok, abort master plan to annihilate punky.:nuts:

Peace in tha North East. :lol:

[Jaye101]

See I knew you guys could figure it out on your own. G'won which yo bad self.

[Jackie003]

See I knew you guys could figure it out on your own. G'won which yo bad self.

Every forum needs a bad guy. :)

[Rapid]

phunky obviously didn't mean to offend any Hindus here. As a matter of fact, I dont even think he was aware that he was offending people here.

Architecture is more then just how physical things appear on the outside. There is also the element of the beauty of meaning. In a strictly physical sense to me, those parts of the building are damaging to the total appearance of the structure. But through education, thought and realization of what those things represent and where they come from, then they become pretty beautiful, even adding onto the structure's physical beauty.

Some people are aware of the meaning of these parts, and therefore they like them, and others aren't aware of the meanings of these parts, and therefore they dont like them. You can also be aware of the meaning, and not like the meaning, therefore genuinely hate it. I don't know where phunky is on this, but who cares. He critiqued it and the builders/religion should consider his opinion even if it was ignorant or not.

Thats the whole point of these religious structures. To attract and inspire those who are not of.

[walli]

phunky obviously didn't mean to offend any Hindus here. As a matter of fact, I dont even think he was aware that he was offending people here.

I agree. He probably isn't even aware of what a Hindu is :D

Architecture is more then just how physical things appear on the outside. There is also the element of the beauty of meaning. In a strictly physical sense to me, those parts of the building are damaging to the total appearance of the structure. But through education, thought and realization of what those things represent and where they come from, then they become pretty beautiful, even adding onto the structure's physical beauty.

Some people are aware of the meaning of these parts, and therefore they like them, and others aren't aware of the meanings of these parts, and therefore they dont like them. You can also be aware of the meaning, and not like the meaning, therefore genuinely hate it. I don't know where phunky is on this, but who cares. He critiqued it and the builders/religion should consider his opinion even if it was ignorant or not.

Thats the whole point of these religious structures. To attract and inspire those who are not of.

A HUGE positive part of all of this is that different peoples are learning about different traditions and cultures. One has to remember that what is beautiful to someone is somewhat dictated by what they have grown up looking and and what they have been taught. No one knows everything, and beauty is in the eye of the beholder. India is a diverse place, and while someone living there would certainly have seen some of these elements already, they would also know how to live among a huge number of peoples and cultures (it is one of the most diverse countries in the world, even though they all are brown and look the same).

Anyway - we are *all* better off in the knowledge department than we were just a couple weeks ago before all of this discussion and debating. Congrats!

[dpvtank]

Sorry if I'm bumping this topic up. I'd just like to clarify a few things.

First of all, yes it is open to the public. The best time to come would be during 7 AM - 11:30 AM. Then, the murti (idol) viewing is closed till 4 PM (for afternoon rituals). They open again, and close back up at around 6 PM and then open up again at 7 PM for the evening ritual of lights (called aarti). After which it is closed again at 8 PM, and opens up at 8:30 PM for the last ritual before the temple is closed as God's idol sleeps for the night. That's a very critical part of Hinduism. The idols are not just symbols or statues for God, but we believe that God resides in them so we dress the main idols with different attires each day, and offer them meals throughout the day, and close the viewing at certain times when it's time to rest or sleep.

Photography is not allowed inside precisely for those reasons; it's a place of worship. By allowing people to take pictures, the sanctity of the place is ruined. Soon enough, we might have people posing in front of sacred idols as if it were just some tourist destination where people come for a Sunday visit. It is definitely much more than that for us. That is why we just do not allow photography inside.

The night lighting was being worked on, so people might not have gotten the best pictures at night.

Also, if anyone is going to visit, it is important to dress conservatively. Once again, it is a sacred place. It is recommended that people come on weekdays if they want a better look at the place. There are a lot less people during that time, so it works out better for you.

And as for the community of this temple: the people come from all over the province for it. Not just Rexdale. In fact, our largest demographic range lies outside of Rexdale! But the place is a convenient place for everyone to visit due to the temple's close proximity to the airport (and yes, we do get visitors from Europe and USA) and the major highways.

As for the temple itself. It is considered another form of God. For example, the inner sanctum is considered the soul of God. So, a good way to look at the golden kalash on the top of the temple is to consider it the crown. That's a vastly simplified way of looking at it, but it certaintly serves the purpose.

Those "yucky" or "tacky" garlands around the stairs were put up just for the opening ceremonies. The building is accessible for the disabled as well.

Hopefully, that clears up some major questions people have.

[walli]

^^ Thank-you dpvtank, that is very helpful!

[elliot]

dpvtank: since you are clearly involved in the project, please accept (and share) my congratulations for bringing this masterpiece to life.

Exquisite, inspiring, near perfection. I can't think of a "place of worship" built in this country in the last century that approaches this mandir's sublime beauty.

[dpvtank]

Thanks a lot for the comments! I'd also be glad to answer any other questions any of you might have about the project (to the best of my knowledge).

I think the best thing to do is to actually go there yourself. Pictures of the outside does not come close to the architectural beauty and spiritual peace that people experience inside. Come with at least an hour to spare, there really is that much to see in that small little place once you come inside.

[401_King]

are gelabis , roti or paan available inside?

[dpvtank]

Jalebis and other sweets are available at a good restaurant less than a 2 minute walk (yes, a walk) away from the complex at Shayona (that's the name). They also sell other Indian sweets and food.

[KGB]

Also, if anyone is going to visit, it is important to dress conservatively.


Hmm...that's a pretty subjective request...do you mean no tube tops and cut-offs....or no Versace sunglasses?

Because it's so unusual, I imagine it is attracting a lot of non-hindu gawkers, there for eye-candy...not soul-candy. Is this becoming a "distraction", or is it like christian churches...always open to anyone for any reason they want to be there? (ok...we know it's really just a part of the passive recruitment process...probably not quite the same with hindus).




KGB

[LordMandeep]

no it means don't dress like a whore...

[ScrapeTheSky]

LOL I don't there's any religious institution anywhere where a person dressed like a whore could just walk in and not be gawked at.

[Taller, Better]

Dress like Stephen Harper!?!?

[401_King]

ouch

[LordMandeep]

no its sort of like how one would dress in a business environment.

Conservatively.

The purpose of going to a religious site is not to be the centre of attention but to pray or sightseeing.