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mr.x
August 20th, 2007, 10:20 PM
Councillor eyes space under Canada Line
But organizer worries parking and servicing limits possibilities
Nelson Bennett, Richmond News
Published: Tuesday, August 14, 2007

A few days ago, as he contemplated the Richmond Night Market's desperate attempts to find a new home, Coun. Bill McNulty had a minor epiphany.

Put it under the Canada Line, he thought.

After all, the elevated guideway for the new rapid transit system will create dead space that the city wants filled up anyway.

And as anyone who has been to a major Asian city will attest, overpasses and elevated guideways are often used as open-air bazaars -- something McNulty saw first-hand when he travelled to China on an exploratory sister city visit last month.

"When I was in Beijing, I saw markets under the roadways and overpasses," he said. "They utilize any available space."

Time is running out for the popular open-air market. It currently operates from a large piece of land east of No. 5 Road between River Road and Vulcan Way.

The market's lease is running out and its organizer, Raymond Cheung, needs to settle on an alternate location soon.

"It's a great idea," he said of McNulty's proposal, "but it will take a lot of time to resolve the issues, and my main concern is timing."

The Canada Line is slated to open in 2009. But Cheung needs a home for next summer.

"We have to be prepared for next year."

Canada Line spokesman Alan Dever said the elevated guideway will be complete by next summer, so it's feasible for the space beneath to be used for seasonal retail purposes.

"Station construction may not be finished," Dever added.

McNulty said it is important to keep the Night Market in Richmond. If the city does not find a new home for it soon, it will likely end up in some other city.

Cheung said he is in negotiations for alternate locations in three other municipalities.

The Night Market has grown from 40 booths eight years ago to 400. It attracts 30,000 to 35,000 people per night, Cheung said. With 300,000 potential customers over the summer season, the market has become an ideal test market for nascent businesses.

"It has tremendous economic opportunities for very small businesses," McNulty said.

Even if the lease weren't expiring, Cheung said the night market is outgrowing its current location.

"We've pretty much maxed out the space. Either way, we have to find a new home," Cheung said.

Richmond's economic development office has been scrambling to find another home for the night Market, but so far none of the locations are suitable, as far as Cheung is concerned.

"The staff have been working very hard on this issue," Cheung said. "There's no land. They're not God -- they can't create land."

As for McNulty's proposal for Canada Line, even if the space underneath the elevated guideways can be used, Cheung said there are other challenges, although they are challenges that he will face anywhere in Richmond.

One is that the site must be serviced. The biggest challenge, though, is parking.

"We get about 8,000 cars to an event every night," Cheung said. As far as he is aware, there is nothing within the Canada Line corridor to accommodate that many cars.


© Richmond News 2007

bils
August 21st, 2007, 04:42 AM
a night market under the guideway from yaohan to lansdowne mall would be fantastic. i always thought lansdowne was the best night market venue.

imagine the market alongside extended mall hours at aberdeen, parker place, etc.

this would prolly be a traffic nightmare though. shut down no.3 road to cars?

the richmond oval area would prolly be an ideal location after its completion.

hopefully if richmond loses the market in 2008 it won't mean that it'll never come back.

urbanfan89
August 21st, 2007, 07:37 AM
This will finally complete the Hong Kong-ness atmosphere of that part of Richmond. Yay. :banana: :banana:

bils
August 21st, 2007, 09:00 AM
This will finally complete the Hong Kong-ness atmosphere of that part of Richmond. Yay. :banana: :banana:

with the flatness of richmond's skyline, a 'kowloon' atmosphere would prolly be more accurate :banana:

mr.x
August 21st, 2007, 09:31 AM
the only thing is that the market would be right next to a busy road.....it'd kill the atmosphere, as suppose to in Hong Kong where small streets are closed off for the night markets.

Huhu
August 21st, 2007, 09:17 PM
with the flatness of richmond's skyline, a 'kowloon' atmosphere would prolly be more accurate :banana:

Hmmm... I don't know if Kowloon's that flat anymore. :|

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/3194/81133688p13uwfoddsc9397vp5.jpg

bils
August 21st, 2007, 10:11 PM
Hmmm... I don't know if Kowloon's that flat anymore. :|

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/3194/81133688p13uwfoddsc9397vp5.jpg

haha ok.... i mean kowloon's skyline 10 years ago when kai tak airport was still there :)

nice shot btw

urbanfan89
August 22nd, 2007, 02:58 AM
All that was new land reclaimed in the mid-1990s, so that actually enables new highrises to by built. The older parts of Kowloon have no real skyscrapers and are apparently the densest places on earth (like people literally renting beds).

samsonyuen
August 22nd, 2007, 03:26 AM
It's a good idea. The Toronto Night market was in a parking lot.

spongeg
August 22nd, 2007, 07:02 AM
i remember when it started out at lansdowne mall , it had some rides and extra stuff

they sold all the bootlegs openly etc.

sigh

than it moved to where the casino is now - the parking was always so dusty

bils
August 22nd, 2007, 07:08 AM
man why don't they just give the garden city lands a good mowing and have it there. or are they worried that'll destroy that precious piece of "farmland".....

officedweller
August 22nd, 2007, 10:54 AM
The only problem I can see is tying into the municipal sanitary sewer system for all of teh food vendors. Water supply isn't too tough, but the waste water has to drain somewhere. The existing location has a whole system of pipes with sinks for the food vendors. Doubt they could do that under the Canada Line.

The_Henry_Man
August 22nd, 2007, 09:47 PM
man why don't they just give the garden city lands a good mowing and have it there. or are they worried that'll destroy that precious piece of "farmland".....

I second that. That's a perfect location. It certainly wouldn't take more than maybe 3-5% of the entire land.

bils
August 22nd, 2007, 11:47 PM
I second that. That's a perfect location. It certainly wouldn't take more than maybe 3-5% of the entire land.

does the city of richmond actually have rights to use that land at this time?

urbanfan89
August 23rd, 2007, 06:22 AM
Isn't that land being used to build the iceskating oval for 2010 or is it somewhere else I'm talking about?

mr.x
August 23rd, 2007, 06:26 AM
Isn't that land being used to build the iceskating oval for 2010 or is it somewhere else I'm talking about?

No, different site. The oval is being built by the river across from the airport.

The land they're talking about is a few blocks to the east of Lansdowne Mall, it's a huge vacant grassland bound by Garden City Rd, Alderbridge Way, Westminster Hwy, and No.4 Rd.
http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=richmond+bc&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF-8&client=firefox-a&ll=49.174381,-123.125453&spn=0.012738,0.029182&t=h&z=15&om=1

spongeg
August 23rd, 2007, 06:30 AM
where would people park?

i think parking is the main issue

spongeg
September 2nd, 2007, 03:05 AM
from http://www.thestar.com/Travel/article/251058

Night market adds Asian flavour to suburban Richmond

Everything's here from designer duds and dog fashions to spring rolls

Jeremy Ferguson
Special to the Star

RICHMOND, B.C.–MP3 players, designer duds, dog booties? Spring rolls, grilled squid tentacles, periwinkles? The crowd zeroes in, fistfuls of dollars flying across hundreds of counters. Tempting aromas rise over sizzling woks and propane barbecues.

Hong Kong? Kuala Lumpur? Nope. Welcome to Richmond, the sprawl around Vancouver International Airport.

No longer happy to be dismissed as a territory of roaring aircraft, strip malls, big-box stores, airport hotels and massage studios, Richmond is redefining itself by its 68 per cent Asian population. It was a major beneficiary of the Hong Kong immigration boom of the `80s and `90s; as suburban legend has it, it was because its name sounds like "rich men."

Easygoing 31-year-old entrepreneur Raymond Cheung launched the Night Market eight years ago, after finishing college. "My girlfriend and I would drive around, drive around, drive around, drive around on weekends and find nothing, nothing at all, to do," he remembers. "So, I thought `why not put up a bunch of stalls and have a night market?'"

Cheung started with 80 stalls and 8,000 visitors a night proved he was on to something. He had to move twice in order to expand. This year's market has a record 400 stalls and expects to draw 30,000 visitors per night for a total of two million between May and October.

"It's the biggest night market in North America," says Cheung. "In fact, it's larger than Hong Kong, which has only 180 stalls."

It promises bargains galore, fast food with exotic accents and a lively evening out with no admission charge. The atmosphere hovers somewhere between CNE midway and Honest Ed's on a big day.

Free entertainment for this season includes magicians and jugglers – the theme is Magical Summer – karaoke, hip-hop contests, kung-fu demonstrations and noisy local bands. One year, he had Miss Hong Kong up on stage belting out Cantonese hits.

Cheung's organizational acumen is impressive. Each of his 165 food stalls has a $600 stainless steel sink. His record with health inspectors is gold. He has the St. John Ambulance on site. He forks out $80,000 a year in police presence.

He also keeps a supply of 400 custom-made-in-China stall "tents" in reserve. "It's the wind storms," he says. "Every year, we get at least one big wind storm. Last year, 150 tents were blown away in 80 miles per hour winds. It was like a typhoon.

"About 70 per cent of what vendors have isn't available in local stores. Products come in from as far off as China and Thailand. Vendors fly in from Seattle and Toronto. There are always surprises."

A spin through the stalls turns up Chinese movies on DVD (three for $20), cheap socks (12 pairs, $12), Pashmina shawls ($10 to $12), handmade Japanese chopsticks ($2), stick-on brassieres and whatnot. Faux Louis Vuitton dances off the shelves. A number of stalls offer doggie fashions – booties, sweaters, raincoats, even Superman outfits and Little Red Riding Hood capes. Fido will never be the same.

Chinese masseur Xhixin Shitu does on-the-spot traditional Chinese massage for $1 per minute. Customers are seen facedown on the massage table, grunting blissfully as Shitu converts them to burger. Others gravitate to Seze You Fortune Teller, for a $10 palm reading.

Befitting Canada's eatingest ethnic population, food is way more than half the fun. The range – 500 different dishes, Cheung calculates – explains why Asians find Western food monolithic and dull.

A stall titled "Five Loaves, Two Fish" proffers fish-shaped red bean waffles and sweet rice pancakes at $1 apiece. Another stall specializes in itty-bitty chicken stomachs on skewers.

Cheung thinks somebody out there is doing snake soup. And how about that dragon fruit slushie?

"Raymond's made a great contribution to Richmond," says former Chamber of Commerce president Florence Gordon.

"Families come here with $10 in their pocket and have a great evening out. Now tourists are coming, too. At the airport, people are getting off planes and asking `Where's the Night Market?'"

The crunch comes at the end of this season, when the market's lease runs out. A move is certain, but the question is where.

Odds are that it will stay in Richmond – because Richmond can't afford to lose its biggest tourist attraction.

Jeremy Ferguson is a freelance writer based in Victoria, B.C.

Vancouverite
September 2nd, 2007, 08:47 AM
^ Now how great is that?

I'm amazed but not surprised that the Night Market has become the largest cultural even in Richmond. I hope that once the Olympic Oval is complete that the Night Market can move to its plaza and parking lot.


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