Emerald Park Condos | Proposed | Multi-tower Development | North York

[The 'Sauga]

http://www.emeraldparkcondos.com/

Bazis International's next condo development @ Yonge/Sheppard. I'm pretty sure this is going to be their "Toronto landmark" development design that we saw on their website a while back.


http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/7555/torontolandmarkkl0.jpg

[Waterloo_Guy]

It will supposedly be right across from Hulmark. Should make for an impressive intersection!

[Taller, Better]

I am very confused about this.... is it actually a "go"? I'm kind of 'over' the period of novelty shaped curving and warping buildings.

[ONE HUMAN]

I'll be over it when we actually get some of these curved warped buildings built in Toronto. 'Til then I look forward to them.

[Jaborandi]

I'll be over it when we actually get some of these curved warped buildings built in Toronto. 'Til then I look forward to them.

Didn't we kinda begin with City Hall?

[rick1016]

Nice. How tall?

[ONE HUMAN]

Didn't we kinda begin with City Hall?

I figured someone would mention City Hall or the Hydro Building, however, I'm not talking about standard curved facades, but rather the Daliesque warped curves of these buildings.

[Taller, Better]

I'll be over it when we actually get some of these curved warped buildings built in Toronto. 'Til then I look forward to them.


Then I am one step ahead of you because I think that they are passé now, along with faux wannabe Twisty Buildings . I don't see why we should have to get in on the tail end of a tired trend. It is like running out and buying pink Uggs because they have been cleared to sell.


Where was it that Bazis built these things already? The People's Republic of Khakistan or something like that?

[ladyscraper]

i'm having difficulty trying to transfer that drawing into an actual building and how it would eventually look like.. but so far it isn't giving off a good impression. i guess i'll wait for more info and renders before i know what i really think about it.

[nitzomoe]

^^ what about Crystal Blu?

[Taller, Better]

i'm having difficulty trying to transfer that drawing into an actual building and how it would eventually look like.. but so far it isn't giving off a good impression. i guess i'll wait for more info and renders before i know what i really think about it.

I think these buildings have already been built in one of the former USSR republics. Someone may have a photo of the completed buildings.

[noob(but not really)]

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/7555/torontolandmarkkl0.jpg

TERRIBLE!


They look like they're about to topple over.

I too, am over these types of buildings.

This plan should be scrapped immediately.

[Epi]

I think these buildings have already been built in one of the former USSR republics. Someone may have a photo of the completed buildings.

If you go to the Bazis website ( http://www.bazisinternational.com/flash/main.html ), you'll see them listed as office buildings in Kazakhstan, where Bazis is from.

I assume this thing is going to replace the plaza where Dominion is now... I was under the impression that area would be mixed used office/condo. I guess in the end the entire idea of NYCC was a bust. It's just a vertical bedroom community than a real second downtown.

[monkeyronin]

I assume this thing is going to replace the plaza where Dominion is now... I was under the impression that area would be mixed used office/condo.

That would be Hullmark, this is across the street.

I actually kind of like this though. Wouldn't want it downtown or anything, but in North York...why not?

[Epi]

That render just makes absolutely no sense. If you look at the building to the right of it, isn't that the main building of North York Centre (beside Mel Lastman Square?). In fact from this perspective they'd have to bulldoze the library to build this hah.

Are they going to fit all this on the rental car parking lot beside the Nestle building then? looks like a lot to fit in there.

[ONE HUMAN]

TERRIBLE!


They look like they're about to topple over.

I too, am over these types of buildings.

This plan should be scrapped immediately.

Why, because you said so? You've already shown that you have no clue about quality architecture.

I, for one, welcome fun and interesting buildings like Alsop's Cloud, Filmport, and OCAD "tabletop", or Libeskind's ROM Crystal and L-Tower. If anything, shouldn't you be bored of rectangular boxes by now? How long have we had those? Stop being so conservative and open your minds just a wee bit people.

And if the buildings look like they're about to topple over, to me that's a pretty cool visual effect. It's worked for the Leaning Tower of Pisa for over 800 years (unintentional as it may be). Also, Alsop's OCAD "tabletop" building seems to defy the laws of gravity with its huge mass floating perilously above the ground on skinny little multi-coloured stick legs. It's part of its charm.

[yyzer]

That rendering is not for the Toronto project......

[ONE HUMAN]

No, it's for my latest Lego project. You like?

[elliot]

yyzer:

Yes that is Emerald Park (residential) for North York.

Emerald Towers (office complex) looks very similar because both are designed by Varacelli/Zeidler.

If you go to the Bazis website you'll see how the office design varies somewhat.


http://www.bazisinternational.com/flash/main.html

[yyzer]

Yes that is Emerald Park (residential) for North York.

Seriously? Wow, that will be some radical architecture in NYCC...

[elliot]

Gotta keep up with Mr. and Mrs. Sauga for suburban funkitecture.

[CrazyCanuck]

Bottom right of building. I'm pretty sure I see a GAP and Roots logo, and i'm sure as hell they have no Roots in Khazakstan.

[Waterloo_Guy]

i'm sure as hell they have no Roots in Khazakstan.

But they do have five swimming pools, two of them with water until the top.

[Taller, Better]

Gotta keep up with Mr. and Mrs. Sauga for suburban funkitecture.



Bingo! Hit the nail right on the head.

[noob(but not really)]

Why, because you said so? You've already shown that you have no clue about quality architecture.

This isn't quality architecture. Nor is that church on Anette. Old, yes. But not quality.



I, for one, welcome fun and interesting buildings like Alsop's Cloud, Filmport, and OCAD "tabletop", or Libeskind's ROM Crystal and L-Tower. If anything, shouldn't you be bored of rectangular boxes by now? How long have we had those? Stop being so conservative and open your minds just a wee bit people.

And if the buildings look like they're about to topple over, to me that's a pretty cool visual effect. It's worked for the Leaning Tower of Pisa for over 800 years (unintentional as it may be). Also, Alsop's OCAD "tabletop" building seems to defy the laws of gravity with its huge mass floating perilously above the ground on skinny little multi-coloured stick legs. It's part of its charm.

This is not fun and interesting. Nor would I compare it to those other buildings. It's nothing like them. You really show that you don't know about quality architecture, or architecture period, with those comments.

[ONE HUMAN]

This isn't quality architecture. Nor is that church on Anette. Old, yes. But not quality.

This is not fun and interesting. Nor would I compare it to those other buildings. It's nothing like them. You really show that you don't know about quality architecture, or architecture period, with those comments.

Why? Because you said so? Because you don't like it? I didn't realize you were the authority on quality architecture. Thank you so much for blessing us with your architectural knowledge and weighty presence on this lowly message board. We are all honoured to have you here.

I find these buildings to be very fun and interesting. So now I'm not allowed to make comparisons? The comparison was regarding the whimsical nature of all of these structures. That seems to have been lost on you.

You seem to be really down. You need to lighten up a bit. Sit back and relax. Enjoy a popsicle.

I don't know about quality architecture, or architecure period? Really. Is that what my comments have shown? Oh yeah? Well... my Dad can beat up your Dad!

You're right, I couldn't possibly know anything since I have a differing opinion than the Almighty Noob. Please, teach me some more about architecture Mr. Noob Sir.

[noob(but not really)]

Why? Because you said so? Because you don't like it? I didn't realize you were the authority on quality architecture. Thank you so much for blessing us with your architectural knowledge and weighty presence on this lowly message board. We are all honoured to have you here.

Hey, I can post whatever I want. Why do I get the feeling that you're threatened by me?



I find these buildings to be very fun and interesting. So now I'm not allowed to make comparisons? The comparison was regarding the whimsical nature of all of these structures. That seems to have been lost on you.

You're an idiot if you compare this proposal to the 800 year old Leaning Tower of Pisa.



You seem to be really down. You need to lighten up a bit. Sit back and relax. Enjoy a popsicle.

Well, I had ice cream earlier. I'm sorry I cannot fulfill your request at this point, as the popsicles have run out. :(



I don't know about quality architecture, or architecure period? Really. Is that what my comments have shown?

Yes. The above example demonstrates that.



Oh yeah? Well... my Dad can beat up your Dad!

Lame. You are no better than a schoolyard bully. :nono:



You're right, I couldn't possibly know anything since I have a differing opinion than the Almighty Noob. Please, teach me some more about architecture Mr. Noob Sir.

Finally, you get it! :nuts: :lol:

[CrazyCanuck]

Take it easy noob.

[ONE HUMAN]

Hey, I can post whatever I want. Why do I get the feeling that you're threatened by me?

You're an idiot if you compare this proposal to the 800 year old Leaning Tower of Pisa.

Well, I had ice cream earlier. I'm sorry I cannot fulfill your request at this point, as the popsicles have run out. :(

Yes. The above example demonstrates that.

Lame. You are no better than a schoolyard bully. :nono:

Finally, you get it! :nuts: :lol:

The more you speak, the more you reveal how little you know. You always say a lot about nothing, basically complaining about this or that, without ever backing it up with facts or knowledge. It's a waste of my time to even try to enlighten you because it all goes over your head. As you were.

[rick1016]

Ahem

...Awkward silence......

How about a few drinks.... hey waiter sir can we get some wine over here?

lol

[Mollywood]

The more you speak, the more you reveal how little you know. You always say a lot about nothing, basically complaining about this or that, without ever backing it up with facts or knowledge. It's a waste of my time to even try to enlighten you because it all goes over your head. As you were.

Great, this is what people want to read on an urban planning/architecture site.:bash: Can you guys do your mating rituals somewhere else?:ohno:

[noob(but not really)]

The more you speak, the more you reveal how little you know.

I know little because I hate a building you like? Since when are your opinions sacrosanct?



You always say a lot about nothing, basically complaining about this or that, without ever backing it up with facts or knowledge. It's a waste of my time to even try to enlighten you because it all goes over your head.

You haven't read enough of my posts.

[ericeric]

I'm really not sure if I like these buildings. It is sort of a crappy render though, I imagine they would actually look better when constructed. Or Bazis should just release a more realistic render.

[ONE HUMAN]

I know little because I hate a building you like? Since when are your opinions sacrosanct?

You haven't read enough of my posts.

Why do you keep saying that? How would you know how many posts of yours I've read? How many are required for me to realize that you have no clue what you are talking about? 10? 20? 100?

[noob(but not really)]

Why do you keep saying that? How would you know how many posts of yours I've read? How many are required for me to realize that you have no clue what you are talking about? 10? 20? 100?

As many as it takes for you to realize I actually have a clue.

[ONE HUMAN]

As many as it takes for you to realize I actually have a clue.

I think it's going to take a lot more then, and you're going to have to educate yourself. I'll wait. I have nothing but time.

[noob(but not really)]

^^ I am well educated(self-taught) about architecture, urban design, development, and transit, because I like it. That's why I stick around this forum. To discuss those topics, not to argue with ONE HUMAN.

[ONE HUMAN]

^^ I am well educated(self-taught) about architecture, urban design, development, and transit, because I like it. That's why I stick around this forum. To discuss those topics, not to argue with ONE HUMAN.

And yet here you are.

[noob(but not really)]

:dunno:

[ONE HUMAN]

If these buildings were realized they would probably look pretty cool in person. I really believe that. They're different (here in Toronto anyway) and isn't that a good thing? I'm a sucker for unique stuff. There, I said it! At the same time, I don't think that we should sacrifice quality simply to make something different. However, I don't think these are as ugly or terrible as some of you have stated. I would rather see these warped curvy buildings instead of what seems to be the norm: rectangular boxes. We have enough of those already (you know I'm right). That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it!

[monkeyronin]

The more you speak, the more you reveal how little you know. You always say a lot about nothing, basically complaining about this or that, without ever backing it up with facts or knowledge. It's a waste of my time to even try to enlighten you because it all goes over your head. As you were.

Dude, just shut the fuck up. Do you realize just how bothersome you are, following noob around, posting this bullshit that the rest of us have to read through?

[ONE HUMAN]

Dude, just shut the fuck up. Do you realize just how bothersome you are, following noob around, posting this bullshit that the rest of us have to read through?

I've been reading everyone else's bullshit for four years so now you can read mine. Or don't. I really don't care.

I've always found you rather bothersome as well, but I didn't have the heart to tell you. I wasn't sure you could handle it.

I tried to get this thread back on topic, but I guess you really had to get it out of your system to tell me to "shut the fuck up". Feel better now?

I love how all these individuals have to resort to name-calling or swearing, yet I'm the problem because I disagreed with someone. Uh huh.

[rick1016]

^^ See kids, this is what happens when someone doesn't voice their opinion for years then blows up finally.

[ONE HUMAN]

I'm not even close to blowing up. Sorry to disappoint, but this is just a message board. It's not real life.

Trying to get back on topic once again...

If these buildings were realized they would probably look pretty cool in person. I really believe that. They're different (here in Toronto anyway) and isn't that a good thing? I'm a sucker for unique stuff. There, I said it! At the same time, I don't think that we should sacrifice quality simply to make something different. However, I don't think these are as ugly or terrible as some of you have stated. I would rather see these warped curvy buildings instead of what seems to be the norm: rectangular boxes. We have enough of those already (you know I'm right). That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it!

[monkeyronin]

I've always found you rather bothersome as well, but I didn't have the heart to tell you. I wasn't sure you could handle it.

Good one! The wit just leaves me heart-broken.

I love how all these individuals have to resort to name-calling or swearing, yet I'm the problem because I disagreed with someone. Uh huh.


You're the problem for your continual post-stalking of noob, spamming every thread with your insults to him because - god forbid, he doesn't share the same opinion as you!

Can't have any of that, therefore, all must be enlightened as to the correct manner of thinking.

[CrazyCanuck]

Next bad reply, user goes in Brigg, no exceptions.

[InTheBeach]

Now is a good time to insert an old joke by Eddy Murphy:

One day and bear and a rabbit are taking a crap in the woods.

The bear turns to the rabbit and says "do you have problems with crap sticking to your fur?"

The rabbit looks at the bear and says "No."

So the bear wiped his ass with the rabbit

[valantino]

ONE HUMAN ... what a loser!

[ONE HUMAN]

ONE HUMAN ... what a loser!

I guess exceptions are being made. Perhaps if I had 3000 posts I'd be allowed to throw around insults like this. This is the sort of hypocrisy that is allowed on this forum.

[Canadian Chocho]

Now is a good time to insert an old joke by Eddy Murphy:

One day and bear and a rabbit are taking a crap in the woods.

The bear turns to the rabbit and says "do you have problems with crap sticking to your fur?"

The rabbit looks at the bear and says "No."

So the bear wiped his ass with the rabbit

Delirious?

[valantino]

I guess exceptions are being made. Perhaps if I had 3000 posts I'd be allowed to throw around insults like this. This is the sort of hypocrisy that is allowed on this forum.


Isn't this sort of hypocrisy the order of things? Still, I'm preplexed ...

[CrazyCanuck]

Valantino is in the brig. Anybody else want to test my patience today??

[elliot]

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/153/924246~I-m-Not-Scared-Posters.jpg

Special note: it's no longer "today", it's tomorrow... well, it's today but not the today that was referenced... what I mean is..

[CrazyCanuck]

Elliot was not scared, and for making a mockery of me he is also now in the brig for 72 hours. Anybody else?

[monkeyronin]

How is that supposed to be a "mockery"?

Nobody likes these heaby handed tactics (especially for such trivial matters), so just cut the bullshit already, Canuck.

And if this warrants me time in the brig...I'll be laughing all night.

[pipolchap]

Emerald is about to be released and they are having seminars on Friday June 13 & Monday June 16 @ 7:30pm.

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=598122

[Northern Lotus]

TERRIBLE!


They look like they're about to topple over.

I too, am over these types of buildings.

This plan should be scrapped immediately.

I sure won't live on the top floors. Imagine looking down from the windows?

[yyzer]

and here's the official render....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/yyzer/emeraldpark06242008agt_r1_c1.jpg

looks like there will only be 2 towers, however the one on the left has a floor count that is over 50 storeys - could be maybe 57....

[Taller, Better]

ewww.. so five years ago.

[valantino]

^don't fret, they'll be dumbed down in time

[Taller, Better]

the warped plywood thing has been done to death so I hope it is truly dumbed down.

[NorthYorker]

I'm not very impressed either. Although, T/B, which buildings in Toronto use this effect?

[The Booze Hound]

So, like- what?- the finished product and the render are going to somehow remotely relate to one another!?
Oh, man- I don't know- maybe the Hungarian Phrasebook sketch?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_Hungarian_Phrasebook
"Which is the way to the massage parlour and the strip club?" "No, Im sorry the render does not match the final product."
Or perhaps the cheese shop sketch! Yes- the Cheese shop sketch! "Do you have any buildings that look like this? " "Ah! A classic- sold a lot because of that picture-um, no got completely redone and turned into one of them all -glass things with a bit of precast!" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheese_Shop_sketch

[vancouverite/to'er]

The barf green colour is really dated. Actually looks kind of Dubai circa 2001 to me. Or one of Trump's complete misses that never gets approved.
And that podium, ewwww. I've seen enough.

[Canadian Chocho]

Too simple.

[elliot]

Hilarious responses... from a skyscraper sub-forum filled with years of whines and complaints about "boxes". Now everyone is an informed architectural purist.

These "things" are great fun, why not. (?) Worst case scenario... they're in North York...

[valantino]

so I hope it is truly dumbed down.


they'll tranforms into dreaded "boxes" if Bazis' reputation holds true

[Taller, Better]

"Worst case scenario... they're in North York..." :lol:



aren't they just the same buildings that already went up in Borat's Kazakhstan?

[Canadian Chocho]

"Worst case scenario... they're in North York..." :lol:



aren't they just the same buildings that already went up in Borat's Kazakhstan?

No, because according to my memory the one in Kazakhstan actually looks nice. (the render at least)

[yyzer]

well, for the record, I like 'em....we need more wacky stuff in Toronto..wish the podium had a couple of extra floors, but the the flaring towers will be an instant landmark, especially as the tallest one will probably be about 600ft ...

The rest of North York's highrises are pretty bland, these will stand out bigtime, and should provide a grand entrance to NYCC, going north on Yonge...

/provided that Bazis builds something that actually looks like the render..

[Waterloo_Guy]

You all realize we're talking about North York, right? Compare it to what usually gets built in NYCC. I'm just happy a developer is trying to do something worth while up there.

[Skybean]

I like them :) Funky design but the podium looks weak.

[NorthYorker]

Sorry to repeat myself; Taller, you said this effect had been "done to death". I was wondering which other condos in Toronto have used this "warped plywood effect".
Thanks

[The Booze Hound]

on the other hand- adds to our Secondary Downtown- all those people driving along the 401 with no intent to stay in Toronto will drive by thinking that's our downtown.... and it would be a reasonable wrong view...

[Wrk_InProgress]

While I don't think these towers are incredible, I do like them.

I'd bet if they were being built elsewhere, someone would post a picture of them in one of our ongoing "box" construction threads.

And yes TB, I'm interested to know where else this style/technique has been employed ?

[Epi]

Anything's better than:

http://www.urbandb.com/canada/ontario/toronto/pearl/

[isaidso]

While I don't think these towers are incredible, I do like them.

I'd bet if they were being built elsewhere, someone would post a picture of them in one of our ongoing "box" construction threads.

And yes TB, I'm interested to know where else this style/technique has been employed ?

I like them too. I much prefer this type of design to the typical cookie cutter towers that dot the landscape. This has visual interest and is a refreshing departure from nauseating condos like NY Towers.

[Taller, Better]

Sorry to repeat myself; Taller, you said this effect had been "done to death". I was wondering which other condos in Toronto have used this "warped plywood effect".
Thanks

The leaning building style has been done repeatedly internationally for the past half a dozen years. These ones were built in Kahkistan a number of years ago. I am not a big fan of that particular novelty
style and even less so when it comes here at the tail end of a trend. I am happy it is not downtown.

[cruzin4u]

Too much North York hating going on.

I think if this was being built in the downtown core the response would be a tad bit better.

I like the development, but I think it would have been better if there were 3 towers instead of the two (as originally proposed).

[Taller, Better]

Not hating North York. I'm just not liking the buildings, that's all.

[isaidso]

Just because some new design trend has sprouted up around the world, doesn't mean it will look bad 30 years later. There's a 60's apartment block just north of the Annex that looks like the inverse of this proposal. It slopes as you get closer to the base. It's aged very well.

Besides the one I mentioned above, we don't have ANY leaning towers that I can think of, so how is that over kill? It doesn't quite count if you have to travel to another city to see one. It should also be noted that leaning towers may have been done many times before, but not nearly as often as the glass rectangle. People just want some variety.

[The 'Sauga]

Here are some higher quality renderings from Mongo on UrbanToronto:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v455/mongo62aa/Emerald09.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v455/mongo62aa/Emerald08.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v455/mongo62aa/Emerald07.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v455/mongo62aa/Emerald06.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v455/mongo62aa/Emerald05.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v455/mongo62aa/Emerald04.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v455/mongo62aa/Emerald03.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v455/mongo62aa/Emerald02.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v455/mongo62aa/Emerald01.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v455/mongo62aa/EmeraldPlan1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v455/mongo62aa/EmeraldPlan2.jpg

[The 'Sauga]

And here are some awesome 3D Drawings by Wyliepoon of Yonge/Sheppard in the future:

(The blue buildings are Tridel's Hullmark Centre development)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3018/2611683911_0ac9b6b231_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3272/2612519622_6eb1e48651_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3109/2612519920_a201530673_o.jpg

[Skybean]

Pure win.

[isaidso]

Might look trendy to some, but they look good to me.

[OEincorparated]

The worst thing about these towers is that all because they're warped know the developer is going to charge 20% more for them. That's evil when in reality we don't need warped buildings.

[OEincorparated]

OK renderings just poped up and do look kinda nice. But still evil though.

[Taller, Better]

wish I hadn't said boo about them. :D

[cruzin4u]

Those are going to be some great views from the pool. To the south, a wonderful view of downtown and to the north an even better view, females doing yoga! :nuts:

These are some sexy towers.. I'm loving the Emerald green!

[vancouverite/to'er]

I always thought this cool design would be a perfect addition to the area but I find the colour a little too esoteric.

[Bisonblight]

That parking lot right besides the Nestle building really bugs me. I think I have to wait 'till they start rising to pass judgement. Are the tops of the buildings, especially the shorter, inhabitable, or are they just for looks?

[bigcityboy]

That parking lot right besides the Nestle building really bugs me.

Me, too. An F'n parking lot on a major intersection. I believe that's TTC owned land. Same with the N-W corner. Disgusting/Embarrassing how long it's taking the TTC to develop their properties. Y&E abandoned bus bays are ghetto.

[valantino]

I believe that's TTC owned land.

I believe you are wrong. In any case, the corners are zoned commercial, which up until just recently, was etched in stone. NYCC's commercial boom is long past eventhough 5000 Yonge did get built.

[Homer J. Simpson]

Does anyone know the proposed height?