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look@round
October 19th, 2007, 02:46 AM
Here's an article from today's Westender magazine. Of course, when I saw on the cover of the magazine "Can the French teach West Coasters how to live?", I could'nt help reading this article :lol:
Well, that's a very "cliché" article, about the French & parisian way of life and the way we consider food.
But there's one thing I'd like to ask... Why do you guys have to eat so quickly all the time?!! Not only in Vancouver, but it was the same in Toronto.
I'm personaly not able to eat in 30 minutes for my lunch break... I would need 30 more minutes to appreciate that break!!
And the same for restaurant. You're always in a rush! You just arrived, and the waiter is already asking you "are you ready to order"?!!! Come on, we just arrived!!! We need to talk first, to read the menu, etc!!
That's one of the thing I think I'll never be able to adapt here...
So pls guys, take your time and enjoy your food :cheers:


Getting FRENCHED

Healthy living vs. living well: Vancouverites getting active while (left) the author drinks wine straight from the bottle, in a rowboat somewhere in France.
By Michael Harris

Oct 18 2007

There’s a hole in the logic of our West Coast lifestyle — and it’s shaped a lot like a croissant.

Every morning my mother walks for a couple of hours on West Vancouver’s seawall at an intimidating speed. Her reasons are twofold. Firstly, there’s the visceral thrill one gets from passing slow walkers and thinking how they’ll grow fat and die before you do. Secondly, there’s the Protestant Work Ethic. While she isn’t religious, like most Vancouverites she has adopted the belief that health — or “wellness,” as we call it now — is a function of personal toil.

Dr. Nigma Sciortino, who unpacked “wellness” for me recently, is an esteemed naturopath who serves as resident doctor for a local specialty supermarket. She notes that Vancouver is an ideal place to achieve a healthy life: we gulp down salmon, we don’t suffer from alarm-worthy pollution levels, and our climate allows us to play outside all year.

We have a headstart, yet, for all our power-walking and yoga, there’s something we still need to figure out.

“People will come to me and say they feel fine, but wellness is about more than not being sick,” says Dr. Sciortino. “It’s about the quality of life — the spirit, mind and body in one. In Paris, for example, that mentality is part of the culture.”

French Women Don’t Get Fat, the 2004 book by Mireille Guiliano, alerted the North American masses to this lifestyle theory, which proved popular enough to land the book on the bestseller list. Sciortino is a proponent of the basic premises in Guiliano’s book. “The French eat slowly, they take long lunches, there’s no rush,” she says. “Wine is good, but it’s not what keeps the French thin. And it’s not smoking either.” (There’s only a ten per cent difference in smoking rates between the U.S. and France, while the obesity gap is far greater). “We’re always rushing at the table, but eating should be enjoyed.”

Throughout her book, Guiliano chastises North America’s disregard for simple enjoyment. Furthermore, exercise machines, she writes, are “a vestige of Puritanism: instruments of public self-flagellation to make up for private sins of couch riding and overeating.” The French, because they typically eschew both fatty steaks and free weights, exist in that happy middle-ground called wellness.

I recently returned from a month in Paris (gosh, that’s fun to write). I kept myself busy ogling all the pretty people while trying to break down my dietary Vancouverisms. I ordered croissants and espresso for breakfast. I had soft white bread for lunch, with little tomatoes and gobs of brie inside. And for dinner — what else? — duck confit. In total, I lost about four pounds.

True, I walked everywhere. But that hardly felt like exercise. And I didn’t jog at all, though I normally submit to three brief sprints each week in Vancouver. When I asked Parisians about gyms, they tossed me sneers and asked what part of America I came from.

I met a Frenchman at the Turkish baths (like you do) and he invited me out for dinner the following night. I had the lamb and hunkered into it with (what I now think of as American) gusto. My date was visibly shocked and held a serene hand over my plate to slow me down. “Be gentle, Mi-kale,” said Olivier. “The lamb, you know, it is only a baby.”

I ate more slowly. I digested.

“If you eat at the speed of light,” says Dr. Sciortino, “you don’t give your pancreas a chance to digest the food. Seventy to eighty per cent of the people who see me have digestive problems and they don’t even know it.”

And yet, I never got over the length of time one must commit to a dinner in Paris. “Oh, you would like to order?” the waiter would say, slightly confused, after I had stared at him for half an hour. At the end of a meal, again, there was an obligatory 30-minute study-the-ceiling-and-contemplate-life period before any server would dare to suggest that he might possibly, if I felt ready, go and see if there was a bill somewhere.

You can’t even get a coffee to go. This discovery left me terrified and confused on the Champs-Élysées.

There are, of course, take-away options if you duck into a Starbucks — the chain has encroached on the major boulevards of Paris like a large and ornery flock of pigeons. McDonald’s is also increasingly available. (Once, I should admit, I purchased a “Royale with Cheese,” but that was only because I had to be somewhere in three hours.)

The rate of obesity in France —thanks to these slight American incursions on Parisian diets — has doubled in recent years, and now sits around 12 per cent.

Which is exactly where Vancouver’s obesity rate had settled when Statistics Canada checked in, in 2004. It’s saddening to think we have the same collective waist size as a people who roll over in bed every morning and eat a pound of butter. But if we could gain a little composure at the dinner table — if we even, for that matter, sat down at the dinner table — perhaps we could be more Parisian-thin than the Parisians. If we stopped trying to improve ourselves and started enjoying ourselves instead, we might be healthier than ever before.

The chorus from Tourism Vancouver says we can ski in the morning and go kayaking in the afternoon. It’s time we admitted to the world — and to ourselves — that no one in the history of Vancouver has ever done that. But perhaps we needn’t work so hard. If we combined a little West Coast “active lifestyle” with the Parisian interest in “actual life style,” we’d simultaneously become healthier and drop our bug-eyed obsession with health.

Canuck514
October 19th, 2007, 07:31 PM
This article is funny - as is your response to how we eat and dine in Canada. I totally agree with you that we should slow down and enjoy our dining experiences. In Montréal, it is somewhere between the way Canadians dine and the way the French dine. Sometimes waiting for service for more than 15minutes can be very frustrating for someone from western Canada. I laughed when you said that the server is at your table asking if you are ready to order within 2 minutes of you arriving! It is so true! Anyway, I'm torn between the two ways of dining. Sometimes when I'm in a hurry and the server takes 20 minutes before they even take a drink order I become very frustrated. But, we should also slow down and enjoy our experience and make it a social event!

Thanks for the article.

Taller, Better
October 19th, 2007, 07:57 PM
I am not sure I would place waiting for a server to arrive at your table in the same category as hurried service or people gobbling their food. Rushing the food is one thing, but ignoring a customer who has arrived is quite another. Dine at the Georges V Hotel in Paris, and you will not be left cooling your heels for 20 minutes before a waiter arrives! Prompt attention is a hallmark of excellent service... being ignored at your table is a sign of understaffing or poorly trained servers . A waiter who arrives promptly should provide a greeting, and give an opportunity to a customer to order an aperitif if he so chooses, without pushing... a waiter whose first words to you are "Are you ready to order?" is a bad waiter! :) ;)
I think the main point here is the speed at which the person chooses to eat, and I would agree that in North America we do eat very, very quickly. That has been my observation in every city I have visited on this continent. Also within a multicultural community there are wide variances with the speed at which it is socially correct to eat depending on the cultural background.

Kass
October 20th, 2007, 10:46 AM
I thought that was a really interesting read, thanks for sharing. Especially the part about the obesity rate being the same, when we obsess about weight, and they are just chill about it. It makes you think.

I have to say though, I don't like eating in restaurants because I think it takes TOO long... haha. French restaurants would be my worst nightmare. :lol:

I prefer to have them ask right away because I know what I want after ~2 minutes anyway. I don't really like waiting around for a long time in a restaurant. It just bugs me. I get so bored, even with others there. *Shrugs*

algonquin
October 20th, 2007, 02:05 PM
The chorus from Tourism Vancouver says we can ski in the morning and go kayaking in the afternoon. It’s time we admitted to the world — and to ourselves — that no one in the history of Vancouver has ever done that.

You can’t even get a coffee to go. This discovery left me terrified and confused on the Champs-Élysées.

These two made me smile... he's a talented writer

Substructure
October 20th, 2007, 05:42 PM
This article was funny. That reminds me of those people I cross down the highway in the morning, stuffing a hamburger down their throat while talking on their cellphone, passing me from the right lane at 130km/h to rush faster to their work place.
Many Europeans (at least French and Italians as far as I remember) get 2h lunch break.

look@round
October 20th, 2007, 09:27 PM
^^ Depending on the project and companies I was working for in France, yes, I was usually taking about 1h and a half at lunch time. Sometimes "only" 1 hour, very rarely less. But some busy/stressed/crazy people take only 30 minutes as well, especially in Paris & big cities, and the average lunch break has really shrunk these last years in France.

About the restaurant, for sure, if the waiter doesn't come and ask if you wouldk like a drink, that's not a good thing. But the fact is that they usually come & ask you directly if you would like to drink something & also order right away. We French people (especially girls... :lol:) usually need more time than Canadian to order. And it's funny to see that it sometimes the waiter has to come back 2 to 3 times, because instead of having a look at the menu, we keep on talking and take all the time we need! I guess they must hate us :lol:

About the fact that you can’t find a coffee to go, that’s so true!! And I’m gonna miss that a lot in France, I love all these coffee shops here. Starbucks has already "invaded" some of the fancy and busy places in Paris, but that's only in Paris. Hopefully it will settle soon in my city (Lyon) when I will be back there!

spongeg
October 21st, 2007, 03:16 AM
But there's one thing I'd like to ask... Why do you guys have to eat so quickly all the time?!! Not only in Vancouver, but it was the same in Toronto.
I'm personaly not able to eat in 30 minutes for my lunch break... I would need 30 more minutes to appreciate that break!!
And the same for restaurant. You're always in a rush! You just arrived, and the waiter is already asking you "are you ready to order"?!!! Come on, we just arrived!!! We need to talk first, to read the menu, etc!!

its all about turn around

they want as many people at one table as possible

they would rather have say 5 parties using the table over 5 hours than 1 or two parties who linger all night

waiters get paid low so they want as many tips as they can from their shift - the faster they can get you in and gone the better their tips will be at the end of their shift

plus some places have sales quotas so they need to sell x amount per shift and its hard to do that when you have a small amount of customers

look@round
October 21st, 2007, 03:46 AM
^^ All I read here is "business", "money"...
What about the pleasure of going to the restaurant, enjoying good food and spending a good time with friends or family???

I guess the author is right when he says that:
But if we could gain a little composure at the dinner table — if we even, for that matter, sat down at the dinner table — perhaps we could be more Parisian-thin than the Parisians. If we stopped trying to improve ourselves and started enjoying ourselves instead, we might be healthier than ever before.
Yeah, I guess it's time to start enjoying yourself guys! :tongue2:

Xelebes
October 21st, 2007, 03:52 AM
You want slower service? Head to Alberta. :)

spongeg
October 22nd, 2007, 05:19 AM
^^ All I read here is "business", "money"...
What about the pleasure of going to the restaurant, enjoying good food and spending a good time with friends or family???

I guess the author is right when he says that:

Yeah, I guess it's time to start enjoying yourself guys! :tongue2:

most restaurants here in Vancouver have a lot of overhead and they need the money

i agree it is crummy and detracts from a nice meal but there are places where one can linger and enjoy an evening but you end up paying for the pleasure as meals cost a lot more

Taller, Better
October 22nd, 2007, 06:22 PM
Well, it is true that a meal in Paris will be much more expensive than a meal in Vancouver for the same type of food.

officedweller
October 24th, 2007, 11:04 PM
I hate it when it takes a long time to order. I'd rather get rid of the menus and then enjoy the conversation while the food is being prepared. i.e. I'd rather have the server take both the drink and food order at the same time. And if I'm late and going someplace where I know the menu, I'll phone ahead to my friends who are already there and ask them to order for me so the food is ready when I get there (that's especially true if you're leaving the office late (i.e. 10 pm), you're starving and you're meeting friends for a later dinner).

Taller, Better
October 25th, 2007, 08:10 AM
Waiting a long time to order, or to get a drink is simply sloppy service. The customer should control the speed of the meal... if he wants a leisurely meal, the waiter should be smart enough to pick up on that. If he is starving he should not be kept waiting an unfair length of time. The speed at which the diner woofs down his food is up to him. Personally I am a very slow eater, and always am last to finish at the table. I have seen some pigs waving down the waiter for the bill when their mouth is crammed full of food and everyone else at the table is about half finished their food, and you just know they do not have somewhere important to go to.. some people just naturally want to bolt down their food and get out.

officedweller
October 25th, 2007, 09:39 PM
True enough - it's about catering to the customer's wishes.


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