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DrT
November 30th, 2007, 04:07 PM
Good or bad idea?
From today's Sun.


Public bike rentals coming to Vancouver?
Frances Bula, Vancouver Sun
Published: Thursday, November 29, 2007
VANCOUVER - They've done it in Paris. They're promising to do it in Beijing. Now Vancouver is jumping on the bandwagon of cities looking into a public bike rental system for commuters.

TransLink has put out a tender call for companies to assess whether and how public bikes could work in Greater Vancouver. It is asking the bidders to assess a system that would make bikes available in downtown Vancouver, the Broadway corridor, and in other communities.

"I wouldn't expect it everywhere," said TransLink vice-chair Marvin Hunt, also a Surrey city councillor. "I would expect them where there is a concentration of businesses. And I wouldn't expect them at the King George Station at all or a station like Joyce."

Hunt said TransLink put out the contract call after hearing from consumers that they'd like such a system in the region. As well, Vancouver Coun. Peter Ladner put forward a motion in October suggesting TransLink look into public bikes, a move that got support from the rest of the board.

"I think this is very workable in Vancouver," said Ladner. "I pushed it because it's taking off in other cities in Europe. It produces a dramatic increase in the number of people cycling and reduces car use."

The first public-bike system started in Rennes, France, in 2001, with 250 bicycles at 25 docking stations, according to information supplied with the TransLink call for bidders.

Paris, with a fleet of flashy pink bikes, has supplied 20,600 bicycles at 1,450 docking stations and Beijing has promised it will supply 50,000 bikes in time for the Olympics.

Typically, people pay for the bikes with a smart card or credit card, picking them up in one spot and returning them to the same place or any other docking station.

The bikes are frequently manufactured with different kinds of parts that don't fit regular bikes, making them less prone to thefts.

Bonnie Fenton, the chair of Vancouver's bicycle advisory committee and a trainer in bike skills, called the idea "very cool."

"If you make it easy for people, it's more likely to happen. All of this is fitting together really well."

Former Vancouver city councillor and transit advocate Gordon Price also called it a "great idea." He had one caution, though. "The big problem is helmets."

In Europe, helmets aren't required or supplied. In the Lower Mainland, it's illegal to ride without a helmet. About three per cent of people in Vancouver commute by bike; about two per cent in Metro Vancouver. In Amsterdam, the rate is 37 per cent.

DrT
November 30th, 2007, 04:14 PM
In Paris the bikes are called Velib, for Velo Liberte.
Most seem to like them.

Vanlaw
November 30th, 2007, 09:39 PM
"The first public-bike system started in Rennes, France, in 2001, with 250 bicycles at 25 docking stations, according to information supplied with the TransLink call for bidders."

Translink shoudl do their homework - Copenhagen has had a public bike system since 1995. I lived there for 5 months a few years back and it was a great system. However, their street system is fully set up for large volume of cycles. Even though downtown Vancouver streets have had plenty of bike lanes added, I question whether they would be able to handle the volumes created by a new public system. With a proper setup- I am all for this idea.

mr.x
November 30th, 2007, 11:49 PM
^ i agree, our bike network still has a long way to go...nevertheless, i thought this was a great idea.

Neda Say
December 1st, 2007, 12:22 AM
Yes we do like our Velib.

I had a bike in vancouver and when I got here I was like :"uh if I get a bike it will get stolen in like 36 sec so there's no point" or "With parisian drivers, I'll end up plastered between two taxis!" I tried Velib once and really enjoyed it! These are city bikes, heavy ones, terribly unstable but easy to ride and quite comfy except going uphill : they weigh 22 kg so don't try to go up 10th after Alma going to UBC cause you'll feel it! But all in all the product is good!

It's not as good as in Lyon where the system is free of charge after registration. But personally I signed up for a year: 30 euros and all my trips are less than 30 minutes so I never pay the extra euro... In paris except for other bicycles, scooters and motorbikes there's nothing faster to go from point A to B and parking it!

I left my crappy bike in Vancouver, I'm almost happy I did it! Uh I left my helmet too, oups!!!

Vanlaw
December 1st, 2007, 01:33 AM
If my mind serves me correctly, i think the bikes in Copenhagne are "free" to use in that you plug some money into the bike rack to unlock, and recieve back when you return - even if to a different rack. I think there it was 20 Kroner, or about 4 or 5 bucks.

Tri-City Guy
December 1st, 2007, 06:12 AM
It's a great idea! If that service was available I would use it. I've never bought a bike as I'm always moving across Canada, but many, many time I've always wanted to rent.

Just try that in London, Ontario!! The place is so pedestrian hostile it makes KW look like Toronto. At least in Vancouver there are places you can do that already - but it should be encouraged more.

Neda Say
December 2nd, 2007, 04:11 PM
Yes some bike in Copenhagen are free to use. The problem is to get them as they end up being stolen a lot. I was there this summer and couldn't put my hand on one. They are really basic bikes and the bike racks are in a very poor shape!


The system implemented in Paris is a bit better just because you do have a real network of stations throughout the city which makes the bike easier to get and the bikes are not that easy to steal (ok they stole around a 150 already out of 25000)

I think bike available for public rental are great to have a shot at it or if you are in town for a few weeks. But if you are a cyclist you'll prefer to have your own just because you'll take care of it yourself.

What pisses me of with velib is the number of them which cannot be used due to the chain that you cannot put back.

mr.x
December 3rd, 2007, 12:14 AM
i could actually see people stealing bikes here and then selling them for scrap metal.:lol:

DrT
December 3rd, 2007, 03:07 AM
i could actually see people stealing bikes here and then selling them for scrap metal.:lol:

I understood that you leave a credit card number and if you (or someone else) steals it, they charge your card something like 150 or 200 Euros.

worldwide
December 3rd, 2007, 04:18 AM
Just try that in London, Ontario!! The place is so pedestrian hostile it makes KW look like Toronto. .



whats up with the hate? i lived in london for 16 years and i have never driven a car, i had no problems. id like to see the area that youre basing you opinion on cause i bet it was nowhere near downtown.


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